Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[punin]

any info on 28 nm chip that is used in this design

It's our 28nm, but as we didn't sell any out we don't even have a data sheet

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[Mitak]

at least pin out ?

[punin]

at least pin out ?

Did you look at the schematics we just posted? 2 pins for data (SCK&SDATA) and all the rest for power.

[2112]

at least pin out ?

Did you look at the schematics we just posted? 2 pins for data (SCK&SDATA) and all the rest for power.

Actually that is bullshit. Bitfury_POWER has around 40 pins, most of them non-obvious.

Will you actually dare to disclose what the PARITY pin does and what is the function of the two associated LEDs?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Yea they either use 7000 or 7100. Depending on what temps they want to run the chips at.

Here is my "testing" immersion tank running 7100   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-BaH8_SAk

Awesome setup!

Ja. Looks like fun for testing. My only concern for long term use is the bearings in the fan. 'Prolly dunna like running in what is essentially a vapor degreaser I assume that was to keep tank pressure at a minimum by pushing as much vapor as possible through the small radiator in it.

I take it that's why the data centers setup looks to just use the natural and I dare say rather violent vapor flow in the system for circulation along with heap big vapor-to-water heat exchangers in the tanks. Nice. No moving parts in the data tanks.

[punin]

at least pin out ?

Did you look at the schematics we just posted? 2 pins for data (SCK&SDATA) and all the rest for power.

Actually that is bullshit. Bitfury_POWER has around 40 pins, most of them non-obvious.

Will you actually dare to disclose what the PARITY pin does and what is the function of the two associated LEDs?

Actually you're wrong. The 28nm chip has VCC, GND and two I/O pins as you can clearly see from images like the 1block_short.jpg for example. The 250nm is another story. It's a comm chip with 3 dedicated lines for each 28nm chip, reference voltage, clock and data + bunch of other stuff. Calling bullshit when you didn't even comprehend the question that I answered is a bit harsh.

[2112]

Actually you're wrong. The 28nm chip has VCC, GND and two I/O pins as you can clearly see from images like the 1block_short.jpg for example. The 250nm is another story. It's a comm chip with 3 dedicated lines for each 28nm chip, reference voltage, clock and data + bunch of other stuff. Calling bullshit when you didn't even comprehend the question that I answered is a bit harsh.

Yeah, keep misdirecting the answers and pretend that you don't understand them or that readers misunderstood you. At your level in the company hierarchy this gives more information to the potential buyers or partners than an audited accounts statement would give.

It would be the most delicious irony if in the end we (readers) could figure out that Head of Development actually can't give an answer without consulting some subordinate.

We'll live, we'll read what you post, we'll see. You are on a notice.

I'm so glad that I'm not financially associated with any of the Bitcoin operators and don't have to be afraid to ask the impolite questions.

[kilo17]

Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.

Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?

I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.

That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake.

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862

I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task.   Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips.  I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip.

I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet.

Will you take 1 BTC bet?

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

[dmwardjr]

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

Don't forget to add, "In good working order and according to specifications."

[baazju]

Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.

Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?

I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.

That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake.

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862

I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task.   Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips.  I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip.

I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet.

Will you take 1 BTC bet?

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

I would also make this bet. Either way I win.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

Don't forget to add, "In good working order and according to specifications."

Should be a given but also add, "On promised delivery date at time of order verification (eg. yer wallet says the Tx went through and has a couple verifications or check/other fiat xfr was approved) subject to strictly defined definition of "Late/delayed" and resolution process if late or delayed"
This comes to mind on both points:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131003021440/http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/520-ghs-bitcoin-miner from Oct. 3rd 2013. Ordered mine Feb 28th 2014 when it was not pre-order but instead "delivery in 4-wweks or less"... We all know how the AMT/Bitmine.ch A1 saga is progressing for most folks...  

[kilo17]

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

Don't forget to add, "In good working order and according to specifications."

Should be a given but also add, "On promised delivery date at time of order verification (eg. yer wallet says the Tx went through and has a couple verifications or check/other fiat xfr was approved) subject to strictly defined definition of "Late/delayed" and resolution process if late or delayed"
This comes to mind on both points:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131003021440/http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/520-ghs-bitcoin-miner from Oct. 3rd 2013. Ordered mine Feb 28th 2014 when it was not pre-order but instead "delivery in 4-wweks or less"... We all know how the AMT/Bitmine.ch A1 saga is progressing for most folks...  

Good point by you and Dmwardjr.  - But let's see if he actually wants to bet or it was just advertisement 

[dmwardjr]

It would be hard for him to make that bet IF BitFury is not the manufacturer of the rig.  It's too hard for him to know when another manufacturer of rigs using their chips will actually ship.

[punin]

Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.

Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?

I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.

That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake.

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862

I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task.   Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips.  I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip.

I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet.

Will you take 1 BTC bet?

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

Deal!

[intron]

You might want to check out our 28nm designs that we just released under CC-BY-SA license.

Nice:)

Is there an NFC circuit on this board?

http://dl.bitfury.com/28nm/img-large/48v_air.jpg

[punin]

You might want to check out our 28nm designs that we just released under CC-BY-SA license.

Nice:)

Is there an NFC circuit on this board?

http://dl.bitfury.com/28nm/img-large/48v_air.jpg

Hey, we're an audited company now! Gotta track some assets

[philipma1957]

Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.

Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?

I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.

That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake.

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862

I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task.   Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips.  I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip.

I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet.

Will you take 1 BTC bet?

Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet-

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

Deal!

I put a copy of this for reference


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355468.msg13848252#msg13848252

[RoadStress]

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

Why would you spend money on filling a DC with older gen chips especially when you will receive the newer chips with MUCH better efficiency beats me. You either have money to burn or you will simply build a new DC for the newer chips or you simply pay so little to do this that you can afford to replace everything in 1-2 months. I can understand filling just a part of it for tests, but a whole DC...something doesn't adds up.

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

That was a very bad bet from my point of view. You just made a bet with a manufacturer who can simply get this in time by liaising with a 3rd party who can sell a small number of miners. Maybe the miners will be built by BitFury and just sold by the 3rd party company just to win that bet.

[baazju]

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

Why would you spend money on filling a DC with older gen chips especially when you will receive the newer chips with MUCH better efficiency beats me. You either have money to burn or you will simply build a new DC for the newer chips or you simply pay so little to do this that you can afford to replace everything in 1-2 months. I can understand filling just a part of it for tests, but a whole DC...something doesn't adds up.

So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC.

How does that sound?

That was a very bad bet from my point of view. You just made a bet with a manufacturer who can simply get this in time by liaising with a 3rd party who can sell a small number of miners. Maybe the miners will be built by BitFury and just sold by the 3rd party company just to win that bet.

I think I would have put something in there about price... I mean those 50TH could cost 30BTC depending on availability.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity.

Why would you spend money on filling a DC with older gen chips especially when you will receive the newer chips with MUCH better efficiency beats me. You either have money to burn or you will simply build a new DC for the newer chips or you simply pay so little to do this that you can afford to replace everything in 1-2 months. I can understand filling just a part of it for tests, but a whole DC...something doesn't adds up.

Just my take on it but: Because one has to start *somewhere* and get the ball rolling. The older chips were on-hand and they have working boards for them. As a bonus they get to test the DC at full load.

Newer more efficient chips/boards are in the pipeline but not on-hand so you either have a DC sitting there empty/partly used or ya plug in what you have right now and upgrade when the new designs get into full production.