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What say, punin?
We are indeed working with Joby, but will not disclose any commercial details. His statements are not 100% correct factually as we have not delivered production chips or containers to clients yet and we are working with several clients and integrators. I think Joby was trying to say they are growing very fast and their need for silicon can overwhelm us if it continues to grow as much as it has so far, but I don't think this (Bitcoin) business is large enough to cause capacity issues at TSMC just yet  |
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RoadStress
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March 01, 2016, 10:38:27 PM |
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His statements are not 100% correct factually as we have not delivered production chips or containers to clients yet and we are working with several clients and integrators.
Does the statement about 16nm miners being available for the public in March still stand? |
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His statements are not 100% correct factually as we have not delivered production chips or containers to clients yet and we are working with several clients and integrators.
Does the statement about 16nm miners being available for the public in March still stand? Well at minimum it gives BitFury almost 4 more weeks to get any final changes done and Production runs started.  Hopefully Production runs of silicon has already started and is now a matter of getting the dies packaged (and tested?). Unless you are a very good customer of theirs TSMC will rape you on cost to package dies into usable chips vs what any of the plethora of chip packaging houses in Taiwan or wherever they have it done will charge. Just like TSMC does for their Foundry services the packaging end has to be scheduled in with other products being produced. EDIR: An afterthought on the chip packaging... Since BitFury does like to own/control as much of the chip making process as possible, it wouldn't surprise me if they have a chip packaging division somewhere... One more way to keep costs and availability in-house and considering final packaging of the dies into actual chips counts for well over >75% of a chips final cost that can make for an interesting money shuffle between the various divisions. |
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March 02, 2016, 02:59:33 AM |
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I think Joby was trying to say they are growing very fast and their need for silicon can overwhelm us
Does that not worry you - that there may be something illicit going on? No one is looking at the difficulty charts and thinking "I need to order me as many of those as exist", so if its not for making $/BTC, what else? |
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March 02, 2016, 03:48:17 AM |
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I'd guess material cost is at least $200 for an S7.
Currently, it's US$174 for BMT to produce 1 S7. It keeps dropping. |
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March 02, 2016, 04:17:52 AM |
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I'd guess material cost is at least $200 for an S7.
Currently, it's US$174 for BMT to produce 1 S7. It keeps dropping. Based on what information? |
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March 02, 2016, 06:30:42 AM |
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What say, punin?
We are indeed working with Joby, but will not disclose any commercial details. His statements are not 100% correct factually as we have not delivered production chips or containers to clients yet and we are working with several clients and integrators. I think Joby was trying to say they are growing very fast and their need for silicon can overwhelm us if it continues to grow as much as it has so far, but I don't think this (Bitcoin) business is large enough to cause capacity issues at TSMC just yet Punin I just have a quick question about Bitfury and BCN. There is a lot of info supporting BCN and its practices, most of it is not on the "up and up". Is your business model to strictly go with the highest bidder or is there any moral judgement involved in the decision? I am not trying to put your on the spot but here is what it looks like from my perspective. - There is a group of people that are actually trying to do some good for the community by manufacturing a home miner. There will be ZERO profit and nobody's pocket will get lined. Here is the link (I know you are aware because we have spoke about chips ) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1368507.180-There is another group that has plenty of money and "may be shady". Those guys are for sure getting chips/containers etc as you mentioned above. Although we have spoke, it was brief and there has been little to no correspondence since that point in time. I have actually had to go to the secondary market to try and obtain Bitfury chips. I hope you were sincere in what you stated to me and wish you were as proactive with our group as you are with the "Big Money" guys. |
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March 02, 2016, 12:47:26 PM |
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There will probably be some profit, gotta keep the lights on after all - but nothing like the margins most product releases see. Punin had also talked to me about chips and info (which would have gone into the same project), but I haven't heard back from him in 3 weeks.
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March 02, 2016, 09:54:04 PM |
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There will probably be some profit, gotta keep the lights on after all - but nothing like the margins most product releases see. Punin had also talked to me about chips and info (which would have gone into the same project), but I haven't heard back from him in 3 weeks.
I may have over stated the "No Profit", there will not be a profit margin on the miner going to me. I consider Sidehacks "profit" as an expense of manufacturing the miner since. |
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March 02, 2016, 09:58:16 PM |
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There will probably be some profit, gotta keep the lights on after all - but nothing like the margins most product releases see. Punin had also talked to me about chips and info (which would have gone into the same project), but I haven't heard back from him in 3 weeks.
Its a shame you haven't heard from Punin for 3 weeks  . Perhaps he's gone cold on selling you the chips. I hope this is not the case. |
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March 02, 2016, 09:59:35 PM |
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Well lets hope that you guys get chips soon. my solar panel array wants some bitfuries!
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I am sure Punin will sell sidehack some chips.
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March 02, 2016, 10:08:44 PM |
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Well lets hope that you guys get chips soon. my solar panel array wants some bitfuries!
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I am sure Punin will sell sidehack some chips.
I hope so too buddy |
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March 02, 2016, 10:10:29 PM |
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Well lets hope that you guys get chips soon. my solar panel array wants some bitfuries!
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I am sure Punin will sell sidehack some chips.
Keep hoping! |
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March 02, 2016, 10:39:19 PM |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
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March 03, 2016, 01:31:56 AM |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
I have 2 other people that are actually communicating with me and I will have the chips when they are released. |
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March 03, 2016, 12:14:45 PM |
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buying $17million of Bitfury containers at $3m a piece
So that's like 5 and two thirds of a container To be fair not the most ridiculous of their claims though |
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March 03, 2016, 12:20:41 PM |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
I have 2 other people that are actually communicating with me and I will have the chips when they are released. AFIK the chip is a fact. In some posts Punin wrote about eng samples and the video part 1,2,3 in youtube are showing this. But... when production run will be available and if they are going to sell small quantities or samples is another question . I think that it is not only up to Punin and big USD will talk |
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March 03, 2016, 12:39:58 PM |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
I have 2 other people that are actually communicating with me and I will have the chips when they are released. AFIK the chip is a fact. In some posts Punin wrote about eng samples and the video part 1,2,3 in youtube are showing this. But... when production run will be available and if they are going to sell small quantities or samples is another question . I think that it is not only up to Punin and big USD will talk the videos on youtube show a fine chip. If sidehack builds us a piece of gear that volts down to .07 and up to .12 it will be very nice |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
I have 2 other people that are actually communicating with me and I will have the chips when they are released. AFIK the chip is a fact. In some posts Punin wrote about eng samples and the video part 1,2,3 in youtube are showing this. But... when production run will be available and if they are going to sell small quantities or samples is another question . I think that it is not only up to Punin and big USD will talk the videos on youtube show a fine chip. If sidehack builds us a piece of gear that volts down to .07 and up to .12 it will be very nice Vcore of .3V to .8V would be better, IMHO, spawning efficiencies of ~.06W/GH/s and ~.15W/GH/s respectively. Guestimates per the vid's |
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March 04, 2016, 04:28:13 AM |
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Well right now Kilo is pretty much the designated agent for getting chips. My conversation with Punin got as far as giving him some info to make out and send me an NDA around the end of January (which I never received) and then about two weeks later he dropped a line mostly to let me know he'd posted the 28nm info stuff. That's pretty much it.
I have 2 other people that are actually communicating with me and I will have the chips when they are released. AFIK the chip is a fact. In some posts Punin wrote about eng samples and the video part 1,2,3 in youtube are showing this. But... when production run will be available and if they are going to sell small quantities or samples is another question . I think that it is not only up to Punin and big USD will talk the videos on youtube show a fine chip. If sidehack builds us a piece of gear that volts down to .07 and up to .12 it will be very nice Vcore of .3V to .8V would be better, IMHO, spawning efficiencies of ~.06W/GH/s and ~.15W/GH/s respectively. Guestimates per the vid's I respect that range pick it is good bigger then mine. Maybe they cap it at .15 on the top end works for me actually your number range is better as it is .06 to .15 I have the solar array low cost power which allows for me to push the clock to .13 - .15 since the power is cheap. |
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