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Author Topic: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it  (Read 255304 times)
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March 20, 2024, 04:08:10 PM
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Let's assume the mempool is low when you do the transaction for the puzzle.  If I send the coins with a fee of .1BTC and someone else finds the private key 30 seconds later and sends the transaction with a 1BTC fee, would they both be in the same block and the first transaction would win because it has an earlier timestamp, or would that not matter?
Double spending in Bitcoin is an inevitable feature of the network, regardless of whether it is legitimate or not.
So how do you solve the problem of a conflicting transaction? well, through the confirmations of the miners. And how can we "win" a conflicting transaction? increasing the rate...
In fact, exchanges usually carry out these transactions to reverse a transaction in which the transaction fee was low and they need to make the transaction faster or even unblock a stuck transaction generating a double spend this time with a higher fee.
So this is part of the bitcoin protocol and there is nothing to do. If someone obtains your private address and makes a transaction before it is confirmed, both transactions will "fight" to form a block first, regardless of which was issued first.

It turns out you need to win the lottery 2 times)) first win the private key and then also so that your transaction is included in the block. But what if you choose a moment when the network is overloaded and make a transaction with a commission of 100 million sat? Will this increase the chances or does it not matter?

Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction
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March 20, 2024, 04:15:35 PM
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Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction

That is the problem with miners which do not acknowledge that RBF is off for a tx. If tx is with RBF off it should be treated as last and valid only.

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March 20, 2024, 04:23:36 PM
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Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction

That is the problem with miners which do not acknowledge that RBF is off for a tx. If tx is with RBF off it should be treated as last and valid only.
There is 3 sanario
Without rbf,  any one can load Pk and cancel tx ormodify
With rbf, any one can load Pk and generate new tx with higher fee
3rd and last I know how to create tx and relax for sure where coin will move to my assign address

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March 20, 2024, 04:32:56 PM
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Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction

That is the problem with miners which do not acknowledge that RBF is off for a tx. If tx is with RBF off it should be treated as last and valid only.
There is 3 sanario
Without rbf,  any one can load Pk and cancel tx ormodify
With rbf, any one can load Pk and generate new tx with higher fee
3rd and last I know how to create tx and relax for sure where coin will move to my assign address

lol. Ok brainless swooping in. Why not just tell people how to do it? No one knows you, so sending private key to you is as just a chance as any other way.
Maybe those who find it will send you a nice chunk of change for helping out. I know I would.
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March 20, 2024, 05:08:15 PM
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Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction

That is the problem with miners which do not acknowledge that RBF is off for a tx. If tx is with RBF off it should be treated as last and valid only.
There is 3 sanario
Without rbf,  any one can load Pk and cancel tx ormodify
With rbf, any one can load Pk and generate new tx with higher fee
3rd and last I know how to create tx and relax for sure where coin will move to my assign address

lol. Ok brainless swooping in. Why not just tell people how to do it? No one knows you, so sending private key to you is as just a chance as any other way.
Maybe those who find it will send you a nice chunk of change for helping out. I know I would.

Ahhh, I did not ask send me Pk, within last 2 days I post 2 or 3 message where my statement is, as discussed above issue , I explain what will happen in didrent ways of attempt for withdrawal, and said try your tx create n check what me and similar other said, when get knowledge our explained ( hand on practice), then come to me ask, I will definitely explain, how to do safe n secure,

I never ask share your found 66 Pk to me, yes I ask hope u will share coins to me Smiley

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March 20, 2024, 05:51:45 PM
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3rd and last I know how to create tx and relax for sure where coin will move to my assign address

THB this sound like a bait and bullshit, unless you are a miner or have some accesses to miner resources in somehow.

Besides that there is not an other method to do that.

I been collecting some dust inputs from leaked private keys and that's actually very difficult to do because other are doing exactly the same with those address... so there is no safe way to move an address with leaked private key with 100% of certainty to win that transaction.
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March 20, 2024, 06:57:32 PM
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Why win the lottery twice? This is precisely the problem we are dealing with, this is ONLY for low bit puzzles like 66.
A bot that is sniffing mempool transactions (transactions that have not yet been placed on the blockchain and are stored in volatile memory) gets the public key and in minutes the private key with kangaroo, then initiates a transaction with a commission larger, which has a better chance of obtaining confirmations than the "original" transaction

That is the problem with miners which do not acknowledge that RBF is off for a tx. If tx is with RBF off it should be treated as last and valid only.
There is 3 sanario
Without rbf,  any one can load Pk and cancel tx ormodify
With rbf, any one can load Pk and generate new tx with higher fee
3rd and last I know how to create tx and relax for sure where coin will move to my assign address

lol. Ok brainless swooping in. Why not just tell people how to do it? No one knows you, so sending private key to you is as just a chance as any other way.
Maybe those who find it will send you a nice chunk of change for helping out. I know I would.

Ahhh, I did not ask send me Pk, within last 2 days I post 2 or 3 message where my statement is, as discussed above issue , I explain what will happen in didrent ways of attempt for withdrawal, and said try your tx create n check what me and similar other said, when get knowledge our explained ( hand on practice), then come to me ask, I will definitely explain, how to do safe n secure,

I never ask share your found 66 Pk to me, yes I ask hope u will share coins to me Smiley

Ok, you said if someone has 66 pk to share with you. Maybe it meant something else.
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March 20, 2024, 07:23:37 PM
Last edit: March 20, 2024, 07:41:00 PM by 3dmlib
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Just found the way how to do it...
So, we're definitely f....d... Sad
66 puzzle is waste of electricity now.
Thanks.
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March 20, 2024, 07:39:09 PM
Last edit: March 20, 2024, 07:52:37 PM by nomachine
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I did about 10 attempts today, trying to change already broadcasted transaction, sent from bitcoin-core with RBF flag off.
All attempts fail. First transaction always win.

Then we must do kind of kung-fu. Using older Electrum versions than 4.4.0 with RBF flag off. Grin

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March 21, 2024, 12:41:40 AM
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I did about 10 attempts today, trying to change already broadcasted transaction, sent from bitcoin-core with RBF flag off.
All attempts fail. First transaction always win.

Then we must do kind of kung-fu. Using older Electrum versions than 4.4.0 with RBF flag off. Grin
I already installed and ready to finalize.. needs only 1 more thing  Cheesy

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March 21, 2024, 03:05:29 AM
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I did about 10 attempts today, trying to change already broadcasted transaction, sent from bitcoin-core with RBF flag off.
All attempts fail. First transaction always win.

Then we must do kind of kung-fu. Using older Electrum versions than 4.4.0 with RBF flag off. Grin
I already installed and ready to finalize.. needs only 1 more thing  Cheesy


The problem lies in the rbf according to the configuration of each node, I think that if you do a tx deactivating rbf it must be replaced using another node to be able to replace it.

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March 21, 2024, 06:24:52 AM
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I did about 10 attempts today, trying to change already broadcasted transaction, sent from bitcoin-core with RBF flag off.
All attempts fail. First transaction always win.

Then we must do kind of kung-fu. Using older Electrum versions than 4.4.0 with RBF flag off. Grin
Have u apply cancel tx, before new tx with rbf ?

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March 21, 2024, 07:10:00 AM
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You people just don't want to understand. It doesn't matter which program you use to generate the transaction and it doesn't matter whether you have signaled RBF or not.

Every transaction is replaceable if you have knowledge of the private key.
Whether you want to admit it or not, that's a fact.

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March 21, 2024, 07:33:58 AM
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...

Every transaction is replaceable if you have knowledge of the private key.

...

So anyone could do millions any time.

Good luck with that thinking.

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March 21, 2024, 10:06:44 AM
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So anyone could do millions any time.

It seems so. From Puzzle 66 to 79...

It's a waste of electricity to brute force.

However, you can wait for someone else to do it and then pick up the money  Grin

Maybe Satoshi was just waiting for us to come to this conclusion.

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March 21, 2024, 12:09:49 PM
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So anyone could do millions any time.

It seems so. From Puzzle 66 to 79...

It's a waste of electricity to brute force.

However, you can wait for someone else to do it and then pick up the money  Grin

Maybe Satoshi was just waiting for us to come to this conclusion.
Raiz you hand, who have 66 Pk ?

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March 21, 2024, 04:17:40 PM
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Confirmed Balance: 660050868
Unconfirmed Balance: 5862

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It's 26 input, still not spent

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March 21, 2024, 07:17:43 PM
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Is JLP's Kangaroo program used for puzzle 130, which is original and published on github? Yes or no ?

Some said you can use it because the range width is 125 bits. Some have said that the original version of JLP has 130 puzzles and you cannot use it for more comprehensive puzzles.

Which one is right ?

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