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[sluppy]

I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.

"
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.

[sluppy]

Is there a list of delegates that will be profit sharing? to get votes

thank you for proving my point ..

[BlockChainr]

The real project with potential here is Waves.

This is about LISK,not waves.

Everytime someone posts about shitty "Waves" here, simply reply with this 2 facts:

FACT #1:: One person owns 60% of ALL Waves coins. He invested about 3000 BTC in Waves ICO, consecutively WITHIN ONE MINUTE ON 4/12/16 23:26:

Waves ICO address: https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA

date                   description        moneyIn Out   transaction number
4/13/16 2:42   PAYMENT RECEIVED   14   0   cb9f7f367fa4d53c4d4204670c2746fd33fd2a08f3e623e5a81904ad8233b2f7               
4/13/16 2:00   PAYMENT RECEIVED   28   0   832e301fbf286a95f1f9f28f64d76d9baf1b55bb12d3b68a866ba5808c409e5d               
4/13/16 1:51   PAYMENT RECEIVED   2   0   da161f2891d2dd2eb89dc24050e606e2c650922098ca18c46ba6edfab73eec3e               
4/13/16 1:33   PAYMENT RECEIVED   46   0   540d35eccf9d172ec5d78d17975746a6fc0fd6bea3c739384f6255d5640a6fe5               
4/13/16 1:22   PAYMENT RECEIVED   40   0   e3f3e9f1d4bb8e5c24c06ed714ae737d9805d047dd852089b300d70202796557               
4/13/16 1:14   PAYMENT RECEIVED   68   0   b6aa2b0c11c9b14c607610a804f4c4869a0bf1753f45e282f5dffeb5b418990e               
4/13/16 0:45   PAYMENT RECEIVED   21   0   975fa9078a81fc26ac8768c0127d58afc9cb7a772f94b053aba1650c49e92360               
4/13/16 0:20   PAYMENT RECEIVED   33   0   4c0c1d58697677765312ec5eeaf7cd12d96d022763f2662138100f33478ff89d               
4/13/16 0:02   PAYMENT RECEIVED   19   0   efb36fdce4a39f8ed4064417d6dba085d8975713cb3c68dc78721251a8e43cf2               
4/12/16 23:50   PAYMENT RECEIVED   80   0   6a4c888bf5872a8de8762be40e77ae107515e5dede9f47aa4f8e99dd1743517f               
4/12/16 23:40   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   3089f0cfd13010f7205ea602197cbb22dfc5161cd57f895dc50a639a57049c67               
4/12/16 23:40   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   ad247640c3e78877b0d1bb59eca1ffe843e85f9b604ccdf02cf543071e090f86               
4/12/16 23:40   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   2996f4b34d27997b81b9ae131a9450832296a2ec6680cb5d1b2f7a6c8dd3a1c7               
4/12/16 23:40   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   6d0ecc1f26e33cf427c8894fe633caf34ca68aad066812f00d24dc520e57c847               
4/12/16 23:40   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   b383af81beb480f47a6d63441d15041ef54b33a142c7b638a739218c63c4515a               
4/12/16 23:26   PAYMENT RECEIVED   300   0   556d2947f969730a9648be80017fb10610dc8b9273547965be6e7a40cf269b12               
4/12/16 23:26   PAYMENT RECEIVED   759   0   a2e3ec27b874f09eb51b9fb0dd1ec923208cf955dc12037e991ec6eb37e6237e               
4/12/16 23:26   PAYMENT RECEIVED   300   0   ee4c95e34faf4e272c742655f1c672d6b242690d17c2ffdc041bcb46ebfa7a1d               
4/12/16 23:26   PAYMENT RECEIVED   500   0   e9fe2a339fa5accd5b3a73ba236e7ebc792a8455296419b6fe9bf5c95810fa23               
4/12/16 23:26   PAYMENT RECEIVED   500   0   cf0583bf4606670909595ca1047e48c37f8478548750e84d3b8775f8992d75d6               
4/12/16 22:54   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   4564ed4e551fd2a29f67c820f86ed0e35b950c507fbe0323a1b9f60101bbce5f               
4/12/16 22:54   PAYMENT RECEIVED   10   0   3a35ca8b2f6048672572c47de0c8d4fe402ef561881b24a5bb273147f66be051               
4/12/16 22:37   PAYMENT RECEIVED   100   0   d0a70bba97781d4687eef6d9ec31781917cf4c10aaa206b81c7c1fe4940a9ca9               
4/12/16 22:01   PAYMENT RECEIVED   1   0   b37988446cb1e4f75bfaef0aa462c6f658377c5cd60b592541302799c91ee048               
4/12/16 21:14   PAYMENT RECEIVED   0.001   0   983d078eec9fc81e43e99fa6573012630e211e4f0493e5948d9bf177164cc6db               

FACT #2: Donations to Waves ICO have almost stopped completely after the initial whale who invested on day 1 to create buzz for their ICO.

[freemind1]

In the forum https://forum.lisk.io/viewforum.php?f=6 you have a list of delegates, information about them, their side projects when MainNet is launched and more.

[CREATIVE_Life]

Is there a simple, (ELI5-esque) explaination of the differences between Crypti and Lisk.  I know the brief history of the two.  Specifically, what I want to know is when the original Crypti project was forked, what improvements and changes were made to make Lisk a different coin?

I can prepare one if you want. I would release it shortly before launch.

Please prepare it, it's important! I'm interested in this as well.

Yes, I'd appreciate that.  Those of us who never paid attention to Crypti could use a good cheatsheet explaining why the two projects are similar but having the Lisk fork was a good idea.

The comparison will only show the difference between the last Crypti version and the latest (launch) Lisk version.

Why it was a good idea to fork:

- A "new" team with a huge motivation.
- Fundings which are sufficient for years.
- A bigger community than Crypti ever had.
- A project with clear leadership, which is utterly important.
- A more rapid development cycle.

That's just the beginning. But I don't want to go too deep into that. I will prepare a feature comparison for launch, so people see the value we are building with Lisk.

Just do what you have planned ... we believe in you, everything will be fine!

And it is very important to prepare a great and loud start Lisk ...

[cannabanana]

I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.

"
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.

Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever.  People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101.

101 is not a permanent future,  the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate.

If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there.

This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work.

It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture.

[tracphil]

At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.

It is a problem : the dev team should change this.

that's assuming that it becomes $10.  At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees.

Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726 that one in particular seems to be popular with a few folk.
lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk

Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes.

Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726

[sluppy]

At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.

It is a problem : the dev team should change this.

that's assuming that it becomes $10.  At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees.

Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726 that one in particular seems to be popular with a few folk.
lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk

Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes.

Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726

What part of one time setup fee is unclear to you?

[manhattanagriculture]

Lisk Logo looks like a rough, uncut Blue Diamond. Bloomberg reports that Sotheby's with be competing with Christie's 15 carat, est. 45M largest blue diamond ever to be auctioned.

Shirley Temple Blue Diamond May Fetch $35M at Auction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsd-haKHqI

[RATM69]

I will HAPPILY vote for any delegate willing to profit share. If you are willing to do so send me a pm and let me know who your are so i can send votes your way!

[cannabanana]

At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)

I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.

It is a problem : the dev team should change this.

that's assuming that it becomes $10.  At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees.

Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726 that one in particular seems to be popular with a few folk.
lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk

Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes.

Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that.

https://fdcservers.net/fdc_order/index_5.php?plan_id=726

What part of one time setup fee is unclear to you?

WTF are you talking about?  are you looking at just one thing, probably the bandwidth?  You must not understand what you are looking at.  That is for one specific point.  Your're dumb. go away.  It still comes out to over $500 a month for just the BASIC settings.

instead of being objective, you are reaching for points that meet your pre defined outcome.

[sluppy]

I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.

"
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.

Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever.  People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101.

101 is not a permanent future,  the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate.

If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there.

This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work.

It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture.

I'm sure about a 100 pages of those is just you posting "funny" pictures and telling waves people to f*** off ..
I read most of this thread and ive been around in crypto for awhile and if u don't think there is reason to be concerned your delusional.

[cannabanana]

I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion.  I am biased because I want to be a delegate.   Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow.  Good luck to you.  

As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen.   Lisk has a 10 second blocktime.  There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.

Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:

TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.  
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.

If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on.  And oh, yeah, a budget.

Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget.  We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.

Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC.  That means some big-ass computer power in the back room.  That's gonna cost big money.  Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one.  How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls?  Nobody knows.

When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".

Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates.  He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan.  Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them?  Probably.  Is this a problem?  That depends.  

Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little.  Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues.  Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.

"
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"."

I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job.
Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that .
I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc.
The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care.
But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun.
Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets.

Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever.  People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101.

101 is not a permanent future,  the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate.

If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there.

This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work.

It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture.

I'm sure about a 100 pages of those is just you posting "funny" pictures and telling waves people to f*** off ..
I read most of this thread and ive been around in crypto for awhile and if u don't think there is reason to be concerned your delusional.

Time is BS, This account is BS.  I bought my first Bitcoin in 2010.  Who gives a shit?

Your last post is proof you only want Props than anything else.  

Technology does not beat community because if it did, Crypti would be blowing the fuck up. and bro, you are delusional if you think your outcome is the only possible outcome and if you think you are smart since you been around in crypto.

get lost turd.

[sluppy]

Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.

[cannabanana]

Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.

good now GTFO

If you haven't noticed, I don't  give a fuck about votes and i'm sure as hell not going to play nice just to get them.

[bandar]

Ok, this thread has some techtalk and a lot of greedy bullshit but if you want mass adoption, you'll have to give answers to an average Joe on why to invest and what does it do.  So:

- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.


Your average Joe.

Cheers

[trader19]

Lisk Logo looks like a rough, uncut Blue Diamond. Bloomberg reports that Sotheby's with be competing with Christie's 15 carat, est. 45M largest blue diamond ever to be auctioned.

Shirley Temple Blue Diamond May Fetch $35M at Auction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsd-haKHqI

uhm, is this blue diamond right here worth more than $35M??!? let the market shape it and we will see.. hmm.. time will tell i guess

[MalReynolds]

- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

[xcurry]

Lol  you lost my vote bro..

Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.

I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.

The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.

good now GTFO

If you haven't noticed, I don't  give a fuck about votes and i'm sure as hell not going to play nice just to get them.

[bandar]

- Dapps are some sort of apps.  People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.

- The coins are the fuel of the network?  Why?

- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.

Your average Joe.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharing

The first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire.

Average Joe again:

Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff...

Next please