Proof that God exists

[exemplaar]

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An important part of this point is, don't test God continually. He just might decide to direct cause and effect to give you permanent, locked-in, inability to believe in Him, simply because you have asked for it so many times. Perhaps He has done this already. Perhaps you have already destined yourself for Hell without any way out.

God does not exist.  He did not create me, he has no control over me or my life.  I can choose to believe in this bronze age nonsense tomorrow, or (more likely) I'll never believe in any of it.  I decide.

All these ideas about how God programmed everything are in your head and only in your head.

If there was a God, and he meticulously programmed everything in the universe, how come he created it so big with only few tiny corners of the universe suitable to support life.  Why so many stars, galaxies, empty space, universes?  Just create a flat Earth, support it with pillars, few humans and animals, put a dome over it, put stars and sun on the dome and be done with it (oh wait, that is exactly what the bible says).  

Why our jaws don't fit all of the teeth that we get.  What's up with the appendix?
Oh wait, they are the remnants of our evolutionary past....God my ass.

If he was an engineer, he would not even pass a phone interview  

Exactly as highlighted. Here you are on the right track.  I saw you visited that thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318880.msg14095788#msg14095788 Just keep questioning.

There is no such thing as heliocentrism (solar system and the spinning ball earth with gravity as magic).
With heliocentrism destroyed there is no big bang.
With big bang gone there is no evolution.
And with evolution gone there is no need for atheism and aliens.(Only idiot says in his heart that there is no God)  

LOGOS fully support stationary flat plane earth with sun&moon revolving around, which is of course the most logical.
It is nonsense to believe in God's Word and in the same time supporting heliocentrism.
As you assumed correct, you are living on a flat plane earth under a firmament-dome environment. You just need to know your Maker, that is your grand purpose, your mission. I wish you well on that journey.

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[BADecker]

Now YOU are completely mistaken. All gasoline and diesel engines, even gas turbines, are steam engines at the same time that they are gasoline or diesel engines. You are completely missing it. You better go back to school.

Water is produced in an internal combustion engine during the ignition phase, and of course, instantly turns to steam due to the heat. But the percentage is small compared to other gases produced such as nitrogen.
The steam is actually unwanted because inside a cold exhaust pipe the steam condenses back into water and corrodes the steel. Which is why cars that do more short journeys, wear out their exhaust pipes quicker.

To call an internal combustion engine "a steam engine" is foolish, just another one of your childish word definition twisting games. Small amount of carbon monoxide are produced as well, shall we call them carbon monoxide engines?

Embarrassingly for yourself steam engines are actually external combustion engines. But I'm sure you'll find a way to lie your way around that.

 

See? I'm not laughing. I respect that you are a fuzzy, warm person... maybe even fluffier.

[BADecker]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

[swogerino]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

Wait, so in that case you assume that god has no creator, right? So... what purpose did he have of creating the universe in that case? What reason would there be to do so? Why bother punishing atheists when you yourself are an atheist?

[af_newbie]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

Actually, science did the opposite.  It reduced "God" to a bronze age myth.  We evolved.  Nothing to to with God(s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkiPCKlNjX0

[BADecker]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

Wait, so in that case you assume that god has no creator, right? So... what purpose did he have of creating the universe in that case? What reason would there be to do so? Why bother punishing atheists when you yourself are an atheist?

Not an assumption. A faith thing. But that's just me, in answer to your questions, that have nothing to do with proving God.

However, mankind makes so few cause and effect "chains" where he can determine exactly what the outcome will be...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

that it can easily be seen that God is so extremely more complex than mankind, including in intellect...

that when mankind asks about a God-cause...

the answer is so far beyond man and the way he thinks and understands, that...

a microbe would have as much grasp of the answer as a man would.

[swogerino]

Not an assumption. A faith thing. But that's just me, in answer to your questions, that have nothing to do with proving God.

However, mankind makes so few cause and effect "chains" where he can determine exactly what the outcome will be...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

that it can easily be seen that God is so extremely more complex than mankind, including in intellect...

that when mankind asks about a God-cause...

the answer is so far beyond man and the way he thinks and understands, that...

a microbe would have as much grasp of the answer as a man would.

Okay, so if you're so unsure of why your god does the things that it does, why would you even worship them? Are you SURE that they will allow you into a "heaven" if it does exist at all?

Again, to reiterate, your god is an atheist. Unless you're wrong about your god being eternal.

[BADecker]

Not an assumption. A faith thing. But that's just me, in answer to your questions, that have nothing to do with proving God.

However, mankind makes so few cause and effect "chains" where he can determine exactly what the outcome will be...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

that it can easily be seen that God is so extremely more complex than mankind, including in intellect...

that when mankind asks about a God-cause...

the answer is so far beyond man and the way he thinks and understands, that...

a microbe would have as much grasp of the answer as a man would.

Okay, so if you're so unsure of why your god does the things that it does, why would you even worship them? Are you SURE that they will allow you into a "heaven" if it does exist at all?

Again, to reiterate, your god is an atheist. Unless you're wrong about your god being eternal.

Why are you talking like I am the owner of some god? As I said in a previous post somewhere, that I know of, I am not an owner of any god. Then you go on to call this god that I supposedly own with a "they" like it would be plural or something. You are inconsistent in two little sentences. Such makes things difficult to understand what you mean.

Then you call this god you created for me an atheist? What funny farm are you a resident of (don't answer that - not really interested - just rhetorical).

I'm not really interested in hearing about why you think I own a god, or why you would question me about my god even if I owned one. What does that have to do with the fact that God exists, or the proof (in this case, scientific proof) that God exists?

[af_newbie]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

Wait, so in that case you assume that god has no creator, right? So... what purpose did he have of creating the universe in that case? What reason would there be to do so? Why bother punishing atheists when you yourself are an atheist?

Not an assumption. A faith thing. ...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

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cause and effect might be meaningless prior to t=0.  All of the properties (laws/constants/dimensions/time) of our universe were probably undefined before t=0.

Maybe with big bang, space-time came to exist in our universe and it did not exist before that.  If that is true, then God could only exist when t>0 because when t <= 0, existence (of anything) was not defined/meaningless.  And we don't see any evidence of any Gods when t>0.

Humans need a cause for everything.  This need is in our nature.  It helped us survive in the past, and it advances science and technology today.

But the t <=0 conditions might not be intuitive to us because of our biology.  That is why people fill this shortcoming with God.

[BADecker]

Not an assumption. A faith thing. ...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

...

cause and effect might be meaningless prior to t=0.  All of the properties (laws/constants/dimensions/time) of our universe were probably undefined before t=0.

True. The universe did not exsit before time.

Maybe with big bang, space-time came to exist in our universe and it did not exist before that.  If that is true, then God could only exist when t>0 because when t <= 0, existence (of anything) was not defined/meaningless.  And we don't see any evidence of any Gods when t>0.

Why talk the if's of the big bang? Nobody has proven that it existed. And lots of people have good evidence that it did not exist. Google "electric universe" to find sites where you can see the info that collapses big bang theory.

God existed outside the universe prior to Him setting time and the universe in place. Now, He still exists outside of time and the universe, even though He has a presence inside the universe as well.

Why talk "God?" Because science has proven that God exists, even though science hasn't proven big bang exists, or even could have existed.

Humans need a cause for everything.  This need is in our nature.  It helped us survive in the past, and it advances science and technology today.

But the t <=0 conditions might not be intuitive to us because of our biology.  That is why people fill this shortcoming with God.

This is true. Even if science had not proven God to exist, the very nature of the complexity of the universe strongly suggests that He exists. People operate by what they perceive, or at least by what they think they perceive.

[af_newbie]

Not an assumption. A faith thing. ...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

...

cause and effect might be meaningless prior to t=0.  All of the properties (laws/constants/dimensions/time) of our universe were probably undefined before t=0.

True. The universe did not exsit before time.

Maybe with big bang, space-time came to exist in our universe and it did not exist before that.  If that is true, then God could only exist when t>0 because when t <= 0, existence (of anything) was not defined/meaningless.  And we don't see any evidence of any Gods when t>0.

Why talk the if's of the big bang? Nobody has proven that it existed. And lots of people have good evidence that it did not exist. Google "electric universe" to find sites where you can see the info that collapses big bang theory.

God existed outside the universe prior to Him setting time and the universe in place. Now, He still exists outside of time and the universe, even though He has a presence inside the universe as well.

Why talk "God?" Because science has proven that God exists, even though science hasn't proven big bang exists, or even could have existed.

Humans need a cause for everything.  This need is in our nature.  It helped us survive in the past, and it advances science and technology today.

But the t <=0 conditions might not be intuitive to us because of our biology.  That is why people fill this shortcoming with God.

This is true. Even if science had not proven God to exist, the very nature of the complexity of the universe strongly suggests that He exists. People operate by what they perceive, or at least by what they think they perceive.

You misunderstood.  My contention is that people invent God concept because they think everything has to have a cause, even before big bang. That is where their logic fails them as it is hard to imagine conditions outside of our universe with no physical laws or time.  Cause and effect have no meaning before t=0.

[BADecker]

Not an assumption. A faith thing. ...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

...

cause and effect might be meaningless prior to t=0.  All of the properties (laws/constants/dimensions/time) of our universe were probably undefined before t=0.

True. The universe did not exsit before time.

Maybe with big bang, space-time came to exist in our universe and it did not exist before that.  If that is true, then God could only exist when t>0 because when t <= 0, existence (of anything) was not defined/meaningless.  And we don't see any evidence of any Gods when t>0.

Why talk the if's of the big bang? Nobody has proven that it existed. And lots of people have good evidence that it did not exist. Google "electric universe" to find sites where you can see the info that collapses big bang theory.

God existed outside the universe prior to Him setting time and the universe in place. Now, He still exists outside of time and the universe, even though He has a presence inside the universe as well.

Why talk "God?" Because science has proven that God exists, even though science hasn't proven big bang exists, or even could have existed.

Humans need a cause for everything.  This need is in our nature.  It helped us survive in the past, and it advances science and technology today.

But the t <=0 conditions might not be intuitive to us because of our biology.  That is why people fill this shortcoming with God.

This is true. Even if science had not proven God to exist, the very nature of the complexity of the universe strongly suggests that He exists. People operate by what they perceive, or at least by what they think they perceive.

You misunderstood.  My contention is that people invent God concept because they think everything has to have a cause, even before big bang. That is where their logic fails them as it is hard to imagine conditions outside of our universe with no physical laws or time.  Cause and effect have no meaning before t=0.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were expressing, however...

First, big bang as the theory exists, is lacking the idea of intelligence and emotion. Intelligence and emotion are part of the universe. Therefore big bang, if it existed, must have had intelligence and emotion. Thus, big bang theory is inaccurate, and big bang probably didn't exist at all. For sure it didn't exist according to what big bang theory suggests it is.

I agree with the idea that people logic fails them with regard to things outside everything, which is what "universe" means. We say the words, "outside the universe," but we don't understand the concept of what we say.

Cause and effect as a unit have no meaning before time or the universe. But cause does have meaning. The universe is the result or effect of the Great First Cause, which, because of the nature of the universe, also fits our definitions of "God," but at least the result of God. The first cause may not have actually been God. The first cause may have been something that God created.

[Hganz11]

just because there is no proof doesn't mean u shouldn't believe it

[af_newbie]

just because there is no proof doesn't mean u shouldn't believe it

That is a definition of delusion.

Of course you should not believe in something that is not real.

[poptok1]

The Bible.
The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books.

[Melech]

The Bible.
The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books.

You call the bible a love letter?!?  Have you read the book?  The first half is nothing but plagues, murder and suffering!

God would have to be seriously twisted to write a "love letter" like the bible... more like a threat/blackmail than love letter

[BADecker]

The Bible.
The Bible itself is proof of God’s existence because He used 40 unrelated people over a period of 2,000 years to write His unique love letter to us. There is nothing like the Bible because it carries the same consistent message throughout all of its 66 different books.

You call the bible a love letter?!?  Have you read the book?  The first half is nothing but plagues, murder and suffering!

God would have to be seriously twisted to write a "love letter" like the bible... more like a threat/blackmail than love letter

Now it is you who haven't read the Book.

The first half is all about God loving His people so much that He protects them, both form those people who would hurt them, and from themselves by disciplining them when necessary.

The second half is all about God formally offering the right to become part of His people to everybody, rather than only the group He selected in the first part.

[exemplaar]

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

Actually, science did the opposite.  It reduced "God" to a bronze age myth. We evolved.  Nothing to to with God(s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkiPCKlNjX0

"We" maybe refers to you but sorry, not me.

Sometimes it is appropriate to refer to atheists as “descendants of the apes.” I’m sure all of them are highly honored by that title since they are the ones who claim that apes are their noble ancestors.This explains why atheists have devised the animalistic and heathenistic philosophy of atheism. It is because that is the best philosophy the ape’s descendants can come up with. That is as high as they can rise in their thinking. There has never been an ape during the history of apes that achieved the ability to perceive the existence of God and to worship Him. And so, it is not surprising that descendants of the apes are void of that ability as well.This also explains the awful heathen and abominable fruit descendants of apes produce in the society – why they are so lawless. It must have been a terrible group of apes they descended from, because when you observe apes that exist today, all of them do exactly what apes are suppose to do. But atheists cannot do anything right. Apes today are more civilized than atheists.
True christians have a far more noble fountain from whence they descended. We were originally created by the Almighty God – created in His image. We did not have to evolve to a higher state, but from the beginning, were created by God as perfect as humans can be. Even though we fell from our created state of perfection in the first man Adam, our Maker brings us back by His uplifting grace. But atheists, as descendants of the apes, have never and will never reached the level of perfection in which God originally created all mankind.
If atheists were human, and weren’t descendants of the apes, they might be able to perceive the beauty of the existence of God, and might have a chance at receiving God’s grace. But alas, animals don’t have that ability and God has no intention on saving animals.

[a7mos]

we have never heard about a home that was built without a builder or an invention without an inventor. SO the existence of the universe that we live in and all those creations that live in it is a proof that there is a creator who is God

[swogerino]

we have never heard about a home that was built without a builder or an invention without an inventor. SO the existence of the universe that we live in and all those creations that live in it is a proof that there is a creator who is God

and so with your argument god should also have a creator right? otherwise it would be double standard