Proof that God exists

[eon89]

Gentlemen! How about a compromise? BADecker: you agree there is no God and we'll be ok with it. Does it sound fair?

[BADecker]

Gentlemen! How about a compromise? BADecker: you agree there is no God and we'll be ok with it. Does it sound fair?

Oh, silly child. You are just trying to get me to be a liar like you.

 

[eon89]

Yeah - even jokes hurt. I know. That's how nuts are. Religious nuts, that is.

[mainpmf]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
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Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

Ok...

You know chaos means a state of which we can't get the laws out? So there is chaos actually...

[youdamushi]

Gentlemen! How about a compromise? BADecker: you agree there is no God and we'll be ok with it. Does it sound fair?

Meh, agreeing with that would mean he's able to think logically.

Is it really necessary to precise it won't happen? ^^

[mrflibblehat]

The proof of God's existence is everywhere.All you need is ponder over how everything play its role in perfect way.It weren't possible without someone controlling them

This is an argument from ignorance. 

If you don't understand something, try to figure out how it works, not to say "God must have created it because it is too complex".

Earth was not created 6000 years ago.  Evolutionary processes took a very long time to achieve the life complexity we observe today.

If Earth was created 6000 years ago, then yes, it would not make sense for such complexity to come about in just few thousand years.

But the fact is, Earth is about 4543000000 years old (+/- 50000000)

Except that you don't know this, because scientists have miscalculated universe age by billions of years.

Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

So now God gets a credit for the evolution?  If he is responsible, how come Bible (word of God ) is not mentioning it.  I guess he forgot to put that in.

No point to argue with you guys.  You will believe in God no matter what.  You will be adapting your religion soon.
Neuroscientists are very close to mapping of human brain and extending it in silicon.  You should plan what you are going to do once scientists prove that there is no soul.  But I'm sure you'll come up with some story to cover up the hole. 

Maybe you can twist some quotes from your holy books.  Get cracking...

Anyway when you come down to Earth, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60bneo
 

Mapping of the human brain will happen sooner than we think. The sad part is the crazies that will oppose anyone wanting to "download" themselves. Suddenly they'll want to have power to decide over the life and mind of others, not like it's anything new.

[mrflibblehat]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

Ok now just answer this question:

If Bible is the truth why was it written that God created all the animals as they are now? Did God created the Dinosaurs only to see them extinct?

What dinosaurs? There are no dinosaurs. It's all a lie and a conspiracy. Why you ask? Because if they were true they would have starred in the Bible.

[mrflibblehat]

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Evolutionary process is simply programming. Cause and effect dictates that it absolutely is this way.

LOL.  Programming eh?

Let me guess, and God is the programmer?

"Simply programming", just like that.  God did it, no need to study it, right?

Where is God's Nobel Price?

You got it, man. God is the programmer. But look at the science without looking in the God direction for a moment...

How ever the things of the so-called evolution came into being, it was through cause and effect. After all, everything is produced by one or more other things causing it to happen - EVERYTHING. Science has not found something that happened without something else causing it to happen. Another name for this is "programming."

Ok now just answer this question:

If Bible is the truth why was it written that God created all the animals as they are now? Did God created the Dinosaurs only to see them extinct?

Your question isn't clear enough to answer.

When you look at the fossil record, it shows roughly 3 to 4 times the varieties of creatures that we can find alive on the earth today. As species die off, that number is increasing.

In addition, we breed certain animals in ways to make forms that are different. We do this with plants as well. Probably nature does this in some ways on its own.

Universal cause and effect shows that this is all programmed into nature. Even our supposedly free will breeding of plants and animals has been programmed into us so that we do it in the ways we are doing it, by programming, not free will.

How about the 112 feet dinosaurs? I guess those were some kind of giraffe varieties right?

[mrflibblehat]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

That was precious. But I'm sure he'll have some kind of an answer for this one too. He'll get inspired or something.

[yugo23]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

That was precious. But I'm sure he'll have some kind of an answer for this one too. He'll get inspired or something.

Could you please stop spamming like hell!!!! This is very upsetting to see you doing that!!!

[hugoworld]

Fact: Religion is for stupid people (or makes people stupid)

I saw a good study explaining and proving that religious children were less forgiving and less generous than normal children.
Another proof of the useless aspect of religion.

 you are right.. religious children are bullying other ones than not religious ones..

[eon89]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

That was precious. But I'm sure he'll have some kind of an answer for this one too. He'll get inspired or something.

Could you please stop spamming like hell!!!! This is very upsetting to see you doing that!!!

Is this you only comment? The fact that it's hard to read? Long posts are too heavy for you?

[mainpmf]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

That was precious. But I'm sure he'll have some kind of an answer for this one too. He'll get inspired or something.

Could you please stop spamming like hell!!!! This is very upsetting to see you doing that!!!

Is this you only comment? The fact that it's hard to read? Long posts are too heavy for you?

He's talking about mrflibblehat and the fact that he does 3 consecutive posts of one sentence. This is just pure spam. He can compile his 3 answers in one post it will be far easier to read! And the upsetting part of it is that he's doing so in at least 3 or 4 threads!

[BADecker]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

Cause and effect shows that there is no real chaos. Chaos theory is not necessarily about chaos.

Chaos theory is theory; it has not been proven to be true. Cause and effect is truth. In fact, cause and effect are the basis for scientific examination and discovery.

Why are trying to turn reality into fiction and fiction into reality?

[BADecker]

Fact: Religion is for stupid people (or makes people stupid)

I saw a good study explaining and proving that religious children were less forgiving and less generous than normal children.
Another proof of the useless aspect of religion.

 you are right.. religious children are bullying other ones than not religious ones..

There aren't any children other than religious children. The only difference is the religion they adhere to.

[mrflibblehat]

Wait. So what you're saying is that there are no actual atheists?

[craked5]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

Cause and effect shows that there is no real chaos. Chaos theory is not necessarily about chaos.

Chaos theory is theory; it has not been proven to be true. Cause and effect is truth. In fact, cause and effect are the basis for scientific examination and discovery.

Why are trying to turn reality into fiction and fiction into reality?

Could you just do ONE thing so we can settle this whole discussion?

Define how YOU decide a theory is true. Then we'll be able to discuss. Cause all you're saying is "the laws that makes my point are true, the others are just theories".

[mrflibblehat]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

Cause and effect shows that there is no real chaos. Chaos theory is not necessarily about chaos.

Chaos theory is theory; it has not been proven to be true. Cause and effect is truth. In fact, cause and effect are the basis for scientific examination and discovery.

Why are trying to turn reality into fiction and fiction into reality?

Could you just do ONE thing so we can settle this whole discussion?

Define how YOU decide a theory is true. Then we'll be able to discuss. Cause all you're saying is "the laws that makes my point are true, the others are just theories".

Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.

[craked5]

Ok ok! Jeez. No need to get mad. There is no God! There. Happy? We're agreed.

Meh? Not getting mad at you.

And my problem is about how BADecker talks and decide arbitrarily that this is truth and this is not...

[BADecker]

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The greater complexity has more order within it.
...

Chaos can be quite complex.  

Chaos Theory can be complex. There is no real chaos. Everything acts according to the laws of nature as cause and effect dictate. Chaos, like randomness, exist only in the minds of people who can't see (understand) the reason why.

So now you are going to dismiss reality because it is conflicting with your ancient world view.

Cause and effect shows that there is no real chaos. Chaos theory is not necessarily about chaos.

Chaos theory is theory; it has not been proven to be true. Cause and effect is truth. In fact, cause and effect are the basis for scientific examination and discovery.

Why are trying to turn reality into fiction and fiction into reality?

Could you just do ONE thing so we can settle this whole discussion?

Define how YOU decide a theory is true. Then we'll be able to discuss. Cause all you're saying is "the laws that makes my point are true, the others are just theories".

I don't and can't decide a theory is true. If the proposal in the theory is true, the so-called theory is not a theory. Rather, it is a law.

This doesn't mean that people know that it is a law. Scientists may not have figured out that it is a law. Maybe it is complex enough that they will never figure out that it is a law. If this is the case, it will always remain a theory in their understanding.

This doesn't meant that it is a theory in reality. It may be a law in reality. But because scientists haven't determined that it is a law, they will always have to consider it a theory... at least until they can prove that it is a law.

If you mean, how do I decide if a theory is a theory, well, I'm not into formulating theories. I simply take their word for it when they say it is a theory.

In addition, I am not simply saying something like "the laws that makes my point are real laws." What I am doing is stating the laws so that anybody that wants to see that they are laws can, once he has confirmed that they are laws, start calculating for himself that they prove the existence of God.

If you are really that interested, you need to do a little research... but not all that much.