Proof that God exists

[valta4065]

That some of the alleged miracles which are impossibly improbable by all normal rules of science could have been brought about by exceedingly well-planned use of a subatomic tweak here and there does not prove that God does exists.  It merely claims that
i) God could exist in a world of well-defined immutable laws of physics which we only found out quite recently
ii) That such a God could accomplish miracles by much smaller adjustments than theology people had previously thought
iii) Proof that God does Not exist becomes more difficult for atheists

Also, I'm not claiming total divine control of every detail of every quantum state; just a very occasional few, enough to pick the least bad history.


Now blackbird307, I don't know the game beer pong to look at the odds of your getting the ball in first try by ordinary luck.  I am not aware of any divine purpose for "arranging" that you miraculously do, as you seem to be of the militant atheist mindset who would refuse to be converted by such an event if it did occur.  In any case, landing a ball in a pint glass is not improbable enough for the class of events which I notice.

David getting a history-changing hit on Goliath is improbable enough.  Did it actually happen ?  Well, that is a long time ago.  Could it happen by beer-pong luck ? probably not.  Could that have happened by propagation-of-consequences miraculous luck ?  Well I'm saying that it could have, and very well might have happened.  xslugx, I stop short of saying that it must have happened, because it was a long time ago and there are all sorts of flaws in records of that age.

Your claim is that God might exist and control universe via quantic adjustment. It's a reasonable claim. Why not?
There are still thousands of things we don't understand. It's still totally impossible to be sure that God doesn't exist, on this I can easily agree with you.

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[organofcorti]

That some of the alleged miracles which are impossibly improbable by all normal rules of science could have been brought about by exceedingly well-planned use of a subatomic tweak here and there does not prove that God does exists.  It merely claims that
i) God could exist in a world of well-defined immutable laws of physics which we only found out quite recently
ii) That such a God could accomplish miracles by much smaller adjustments than theology people had previously thought
iii) Proof that God does Not exist becomes more difficult for atheists

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:

“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

[whizz94]

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:
“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

One property of propagation-of-consequences miracles which I concluded only from thinking [so you can say it is just my opinion] is that as soon as you have more than one entity making miraculous quantum tweaks, they might well start dropping disasters on one another's followers and so we don't want multiple gods all lobbing disasters at one another.  Bertrand Russell's equating lesser gods to the God of the Old Testament is, in my view, unfounded, so any conclusions which he draws from that presumption of equal probability are liable to be false.

[Moloch]

That some of the alleged miracles which are impossibly improbable by all normal rules of science could have been brought about by exceedingly well-planned use of a subatomic tweak here and there does not prove that God does exists.  It merely claims that
i) God could exist in a world of well-defined immutable laws of physics which we only found out quite recently
ii) That such a God could accomplish miracles by much smaller adjustments than theology people had previously thought
iii) Proof that God does Not exist becomes more difficult for atheists

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:

“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

"In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology."
-President Barrack Obama

[whizz94]

Well, I'm too paranoid to say on public forum that the elected president of the USA is misguided.
I will though say that given his book collection it is likely that I'll have some opinions which differ from his.

[criptix]

That some of the alleged miracles which are impossibly improbable by all normal rules of science could have been brought about by exceedingly well-planned use of a subatomic tweak here and there does not prove that God does exists.  It merely claims that
i) God could exist in a world of well-defined immutable laws of physics which we only found out quite recently
ii) That such a God could accomplish miracles by much smaller adjustments than theology people had previously thought
iii) Proof that God does Not exist becomes more difficult for atheists

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:

“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

i like that.
it makes a lot of sense too if you reference the question of if our "reality is a simulation".

Science could never proof anything outside of our reality which a godlike entity would be.

[yugo23]

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:
“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

One property of propagation-of-consequences miracles which I concluded only from thinking [so you can say it is just my opinion] is that as soon as you have more than one entity making miraculous quantum tweaks, they might well start dropping disasters on one another's followers and so we don't want multiple gods all lobbing disasters at one another.  Bertrand Russell's equating lesser gods to the God of the Old Testament is, in my view, unfounded, so any conclusions which he draws from that presumption of equal probability are liable to be false.

Ahah! Well that's actually a rather good way of proving there can't be more than one God!

[yugo23]

That some of the alleged miracles which are impossibly improbable by all normal rules of science could have been brought about by exceedingly well-planned use of a subatomic tweak here and there does not prove that God does exists.  It merely claims that
i) God could exist in a world of well-defined immutable laws of physics which we only found out quite recently
ii) That such a God could accomplish miracles by much smaller adjustments than theology people had previously thought
iii) Proof that God does Not exist becomes more difficult for atheists

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:

“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

"In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology."
-President Barrack Obama

Which is just one of the many reasons I find him so incredible!

[whizz94]

proving there can't be more than one God!

Not really a proof as it stands, since it is just my opinion that there cannot safely be more than one God.

[valta4065]

proving there can't be more than one God!

Not really a proof as it stands, since it is just my opinion that there cannot safely be more than one God.

Well I gotta admit it's a good and simple demonstration.
Of course it's no proof but nothing spiritual can really be proved anyway.

[yugo23]

proving there can't be more than one God!

Not really a proof as it stands, since it is just my opinion that there cannot safely be more than one God.

Yeah but that's what's can get the closest to a proof concerning theology ^^

[af_newbie]

proving there can't be more than one God!

Not really a proof as it stands, since it is just my opinion that there cannot safely be more than one God.

You mean one God would wack the others.  He loves killing, blood, sacrifices, giving him money for protection.  Basically, he is a gangster.

Makes sense, right?

[mrflibblehat]

Incredible how people can convince themselves of so many things that can't be proved.

[Moloch]

Where did God go?

According to the bible, God spent the first 3-5000 years killing us... Floods, plagues, fire and brimstone (Sodom & Gomorrah)

Why doesn't God kill us Atheists anymore? Did he get tired of all the murder?

Why doesn't God come down and talk to us anymore? Does God still care about us? Did God get a new toy and forget about us?

[mrflibblehat]

It really seems that lately God is missing.

[yugo23]

Where did God go?

According to the bible, God spent the first 3-5000 years killing us... Floods, plagues, fire and brimstone (Sodom & Gomorrah)

Why doesn't God kill us Atheists anymore? Did he get tired of all the murder?

Why doesnt God come down and talk to us anymore? Does God still care about us? Did God get a new toy and forget about us?

He got tired of you Moloch xD

[Moloch]

Biblical Baby Mamas (Animated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6SmD6yBF0

[mrflibblehat]

Thy videos that thou shalt posted here maketh me amused. (Or something like that.)

[organofcorti]

No one needs to prove that God does not exist. To quote Bertrand Russell:
“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.”

One property of propagation-of-consequences miracles which I concluded only from thinking [so you can say it is just my opinion] is that as soon as you have more than one entity making miraculous quantum tweaks, they might well start dropping disasters on one another's followers and so we don't want multiple gods all lobbing disasters at one another.  Bertrand Russell's equating lesser gods to the God of the Old Testament is, in my view, unfounded, so any conclusions which he draws from that presumption of equal probability are liable to be false.

You missed the important bit:

"But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them" (my italics)

[xslugx]

Thy videos that thou shalt posted here maketh me amused. (Or something like that.)

Well I'm already not good at English so if you go with Middle Age English...