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July 24, 2017, 03:04:35 PM |
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Scientifically speaking, the most obvious evidence might be the answer to the question: who created the matter? Even the Cern are trying to answer this question. Currently one of the answers could be: God! Personally I have no idea, but I firmly believe in life after death, in the existence of spirits. I don't know if this is related to the existence of God, I just know that if we want to give it a Christian configuration, well then Jesus was definitely a great person. But also Buddha!
If you think so then what kind of scientific point of view can be discussed? You are far from science! Science is looking for real evidence, and you consider proof of the lack of evidence. This is absolutely not a scientific approach.
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July 24, 2017, 03:10:38 PM |
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Scientifically speaking, the most obvious evidence might be the answer to the question: who created the matter? Even the Cern are trying to answer this question. Currently one of the answers could be: God! Personally I have no idea, but I firmly believe in life after death, in the existence of spirits. I don't know if this is related to the existence of God, I just know that if we want to give it a Christian configuration, well then Jesus was definitely a great person. But also Buddha!
If you think so then what kind of scientific point of view can be discussed? You are far from science! Science is looking for real evidence, and you consider proof of the lack of evidence. This is absolutely not a scientific approach. If you want scientific proof that God exist, check out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0I started this discussion several years ago and shared 101 scientific proofs that God exist. It should be enough for you, I hope
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harimauagam
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July 24, 2017, 03:12:37 PM |
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Proof god is there, let us see who created the towering mountain? And why clouds that have perton weight can fly above the earth's surface. It's because God created it. If not God! Human impossible.
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July 24, 2017, 05:07:40 PM |
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Coffee135
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July 24, 2017, 05:27:28 PM |
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Proof god is there, let us see who created the towering mountain? And why clouds that have perton weight can fly above the earth's surface. It's because God created it. If not God! Human impossible.
In order to know who created it all you have to go to school. There's all lucidly explained. No God, and therefore he can't create anything. You just use the preachers, regardless of religion.
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Idrisu
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July 24, 2017, 08:11:58 PM |
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God exists to me because as a human being we are his offspring. As far as the nature is concerned God exist, there must be a spirit behind everything and this spirit is what we refer to as God. He is love also that is why when we look into nature we can see the expressed of love.
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ATMD
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December 13, 2018, 08:36:29 PM |
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If I don't have to prove that I exist, it does not mean I am more powerful than God, it means I don't know how to appear invisible God has the ability to be invisible and can hide from even the best scientific instruments, therefore God is more powerful than me
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December 13, 2018, 08:57:32 PM |
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If I don't have to prove that I exist, it does not mean I am more powerful than God, it means I don't know how to appear invisible God has the ability to be invisible and can hide from even the best scientific instruments, therefore God is more powerful than me Once you are dead, then you will REALLY need to prove that you exist. God will do it for you, in the resurrection.
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December 13, 2018, 09:01:35 PM |
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If I don't have to prove that I exist, it does not mean I am more powerful than God, it means I don't know how to appear invisible God has the ability to be invisible and can hide from even the best scientific instruments, therefore God is more powerful than me Once you are dead, then you will REALLY need to prove that you exist. God will do it for you, in the resurrection. To be fair BADecker, I would not want to come back to earth if I die. If there is an afterlife, I'm sure the afterlife world must be better than this earth
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December 13, 2018, 09:03:59 PM |
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If I don't have to prove that I exist, it does not mean I am more powerful than God, it means I don't know how to appear invisible God has the ability to be invisible and can hide from even the best scientific instruments, therefore God is more powerful than me Once you are dead, then you will REALLY need to prove that you exist. God will do it for you, in the resurrection. To be fair BADecker, I would not want to come back to earth if I die. If there is an afterlife, I'm sure the afterlife world must be better than this earth The afterlife exists in two places... Heaven and Hell. Guess who goes to which and why.
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ATMD
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December 13, 2018, 09:05:22 PM |
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The afterlife exists in two places... Heaven and Hell. Guess who goes to which and why. Evil people go to hell Good people go to heaven
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December 13, 2018, 09:10:36 PM |
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God existence cannot be proved physically and so cannot be proved by faith alone, but God existence can be proved through logical reasoning. God exist because there can be no creation without the creator --- and that creator is God. But who creates God? None, no one. It is because God is the uncauseable cause. If God is the uncauseable cause, why is it so? It is because God is perfect. Everything in this universe is made, developed, and evolved because there is something that needs to be developed. If that is the case, do you think God will still have the origin if He is already perfect? Perfect things are things that exist as they should be, no need for alterations. And above all of us, there is always "someone" that is the prefect definition of 'perfect', and that is God.
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December 13, 2018, 09:16:50 PM |
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The afterlife exists in two places... Heaven and Hell. Guess who goes to which and why. Evil people go to hell Good people go to heaven Since everybody does some good and some evil, what are the prerequisites for each regarding Heaven and Hell?
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December 13, 2018, 09:18:03 PM |
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God existence cannot be proved physically and so cannot be proved by faith alone, but God existence can be proved through logical reasoning. God exist because there can be no creation without the creator --- and that creator is God. But who creates God? None, no one. It is because God is the uncauseable cause. If God is the uncauseable cause, why is it so? It is because God is perfect. Everything in this universe is made, developed, and evolved because there is something that needs to be developed. If that is the case, do you think God will still have the origin if He is already perfect? Perfect things are things that exist as they should be, no need for alterations. And above all of us, there is always "someone" that is the prefect definition of 'perfect', and that is God.
Empty space cannot be prove physically, yet we know that it exists. Let's apply the methods used to prove that empty space exists, to prove that God exists.
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ATMD
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December 13, 2018, 09:28:28 PM |
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The afterlife exists in two places... Heaven and Hell. Guess who goes to which and why. Evil people go to hell Good people go to heaven Since everybody does some good and some evil, what are the prerequisites for each regarding Heaven and Hell? Faith and lack of faith in God? Acceptance or lack of acceptance in Jesus Christ?
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BADecker
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December 14, 2018, 12:17:39 PM |
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The afterlife exists in two places... Heaven and Hell. Guess who goes to which and why. Evil people go to hell Good people go to heaven Since everybody does some good and some evil, what are the prerequisites for each regarding Heaven and Hell? Faith and lack of faith in God? Acceptance or lack of acceptance in Jesus Christ? You have it! All people have some faith in God just to live. All living people know that He exists, no matter what they confess to. A Christian is one who was weak enough, spiritually, that he could not resist the work of the Holy Spirit, to boost his faith high enough that He can be saved.
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December 14, 2018, 12:25:20 PM |
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There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
The answer to this depends on the logical framework we decide to adopt. In intuitionist logic this argument is a fallacy. There is no proof by contradiction (PbC) in intuitionist logic (IL). For example, the proof for the existence of infinite numbers would not apply to I.L. Assume there are finite numbers. Then by the principle of good ordering there must be a largest number. Show this largest number and I can show largest + 1. Contradiction met = means the opposite of the premise is true : there are infinite numbers. This proof only works in classical logic where PbC is an accepted derivation. Similar argument is popularly used for the existence of God as you yourself have hinted at. In classic logic you may be able to get away with this argument. God exists because you cannot prove He doesn't exist. It all depends on the logic rules you set before the argument.
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December 14, 2018, 12:33:42 PM |
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There are amongst us a group of people who believe that while there is no proof that God exists, there also is no proof that He doesn't exist.
The answer to this depends on the logical framework we decide to adopt. In intuitionist logic this argument is a fallacy. There is no proof by contradiction (PbC) in intuitionist logic (IL). For example, the proof for the existence of infinite numbers would not apply to I.L. Assume there are finite numbers. Then by the principle of good ordering there must be a largest number. Show this largest number and I can show largest + 1. Contradiction met = means the opposite of the premise is true : there are infinite numbers. This proof only works in classical logic where PbC is an accepted derivation. Similar argument is popularly used for the existence of God as you yourself have hinted at. In classic logic you may be able to get away with this argument. God exists because you cannot prove He doesn't exist. It all depends on the logic rules you set before the argument. There is no "we" regarding adopting a framework. Everyone who wants to join a group, still thinks somewhat differently than all the other members of the group. Yet, God looks at us all individually. Numbers are an artificial language that we use to make it easier to operate in the universe, and with each other. In reality, there is no greater number than "1." There is no fraction. ONE is all that there is. The complexity and order of the universe machine shows that God exists.
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December 14, 2018, 02:11:51 PM |
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... The complexity and order of the universe machine shows that God exists. Emergence and evolution are natural processes. The universe is nothing but orderly. More like a set of wild explosions and decay. Energy is converted from one form to another. There is no predefined logic in it. No design. No God. Atoms in your body came from the supernova explosion somewhere in the universe and will be drawn to Sun one day, then thrown into space again once the Sun explodes as a supernova. They might become atoms in some alien lifeform that will evolve (has evolved) somewhere else in the universe.
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December 14, 2018, 05:06:08 PM |
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... The complexity and order of the universe machine shows that God exists. Emergence and evolution are natural processes. The universe is nothing but orderly. More like a set of wild explosions and decay. Energy is converted from one form to another. There is no predefined logic in it. No design. No God. Atoms in your body came from the supernova explosion somewhere in the universe and will be drawn to Sun one day, then thrown into space again once the Sun explodes as a supernova. They might become atoms in some alien lifeform that will evolve (has evolved) somewhere else in the universe. I'm doing my best not to laugh so hard, this guy is hilarious! XD You don't believe in God but you believe in aliens (that also evolve). He is so smart he can tweak the words around to say something can be created out of nothing, he defies the science laws that establish that non-living matter cant produce anything with life. Your science is wrong, science doesn't contradict science, your facts are just a bunch of fallacies.
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