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Feel free to ask questions here or in Discord. Thanks!
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SuperNodes that's cool !!! but when will there be an exchange? If you read the post Qora is the exchange... |
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How will Qora gen2 be distributed if there isn't a swap, are you planning an ICO now, or is distribution from mining now exclusively?
If Qora gen1 holders don't get any swap, what keeps the community supporting Qora gen2? I need some more explanation to be convinced with this plan.
I would think mining is the only viable way to start. This would be a great way to equalize for all holders of Qora v1 to get in on the new Q2 without a swap. And it sounds like any Qora Gen 1 gets to be a liquidity provider for Qora v2. If v2 would not be listed on any other Exchange and force people to use Q1 for liquidity. It is a great strategy. It only seems logical that there would be no need to have an Exchange list Q2 if a DEX is listing it on Q1. Now you don't have to worry about KYC/AML requirements and daily volume limits. |
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How will Qora gen2 be distributed if there isn't a swap, are you planning an ICO now, or is distribution from mining now exclusively?
If Qora gen1 holders don't get any swap, what keeps the community supporting Qora gen2? I need some more explanation to be convinced with this plan.
I would think mining is the only viable way to start. This would be a great way to equalize for all holders of Qora v1 to get in on the new Q2 without a swap. And it sounds like any Qora Gen 1 gets to be a liquidity provider for Qora v2. If v2 would not be listed on any other Exchange and force people to use Q1 for liquidity. It is a great strategy. It only seems logical that there would be no need to have an Exchange list Q2 if a DEX is listing it on Q1. Now you don't have to worry about KYC/AML requirements and daily volume limits. snapshot is also not a bad idea for the transition v2, so much we have been talking about it for 2 years and no action here can be seen. I really have no patience for this project |
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snapshot is also not a bad idea for the transition v2, so much we have been talking about it for 2 years and no action here can be seen. I really have no patience for this project
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How will Qora gen2 be distributed if there isn't a swap, are you planning an ICO now, or is distribution from mining now exclusively?
If Qora gen1 holders don't get any swap, what keeps the community supporting Qora gen2? I need some more explanation to be convinced with this plan.
I would think mining is the only viable way to start. This would be a great way to equalize for all holders of Qora v1 to get in on the new Q2 without a swap. And it sounds like any Qora Gen 1 gets to be a liquidity provider for Qora v2. If v2 would not be listed on any other Exchange and force people to use Q1 for liquidity. It is a great strategy. It only seems logical that there would be no need to have an Exchange list Q2 if a DEX is listing it on Q1. Now you don't have to worry about KYC/AML requirements and daily volume limits. snapshot is also not a bad idea for the transition v2, so much we have been talking about it for 2 years and no action here can be seen. I really have no patience for this project Snapshot is good provided that they make the v1 private keys compatible to v2. Then no one will lose any coin. This is the safest way. |
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How will Qora gen2 be distributed if there isn't a swap, are you planning an ICO now, or is distribution from mining now exclusively?
If Qora gen1 holders don't get any swap, what keeps the community supporting Qora gen2? I need some more explanation to be convinced with this plan.
I would think mining is the only viable way to start. This would be a great way to equalize for all holders of Qora v1 to get in on the new Q2 without a swap. And it sounds like any Qora Gen 1 gets to be a liquidity provider for Qora v2. If v2 would not be listed on any other Exchange and force people to use Q1 for liquidity. It is a great strategy. It only seems logical that there would be no need to have an Exchange list Q2 if a DEX is listing it on Q1. Now you don't have to worry about KYC/AML requirements and daily volume limits. snapshot is also not a bad idea for the transition v2, so much we have been talking about it for 2 years and no action here can be seen. I really have no patience for this project Snapshot is good provided that they make the v1 private keys compatible to v2. Then no one will lose any coin. This is the safest way. It would be great to have all the details for the roadmap, swap, and gen 2 distribution/emission nailed down asap, Qora missed the 2017 party, we don't want to miss the next one by not having everything sorted before the next bull market. I suspect things are being worked out in private behind the scenes, but the community needs to digest the roadmap so any pissed off people can exit, the last thing Qora needs is infighting and confusion just after something like a bakkt crypto wide pump starts. I still don't know how Qora gen2 gets distributed .... swap, airdrop, mining ... |
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How will Qora gen2 be distributed if there isn't a swap, are you planning an ICO now, or is distribution from mining now exclusively?
If Qora gen1 holders don't get any swap, what keeps the community supporting Qora gen2? I need some more explanation to be convinced with this plan.
I would think mining is the only viable way to start. This would be a great way to equalize for all holders of Qora v1 to get in on the new Q2 without a swap. And it sounds like any Qora Gen 1 gets to be a liquidity provider for Qora v2. If v2 would not be listed on any other Exchange and force people to use Q1 for liquidity. It is a great strategy. It only seems logical that there would be no need to have an Exchange list Q2 if a DEX is listing it on Q1. Now you don't have to worry about KYC/AML requirements and daily volume limits. snapshot is also not a bad idea for the transition v2, so much we have been talking about it for 2 years and no action here can be seen. I really have no patience for this project Snapshot is good provided that they make the v1 private keys compatible to v2. Then no one will lose any coin. This is the safest way. It would be great to have all the details for the roadmap, swap, and gen 2 distribution/emission nailed down asap, Qora missed the 2017 party, we don't want to miss the next one by not having everything sorted before the next bull market. I suspect things are being worked out in private behind the scenes, but the community needs to digest the roadmap so any pissed off people can exit, the last thing Qora needs is infighting and confusion just after something like a bakkt crypto wide pump starts. I still don't know how Qora gen2 gets distributed .... swap, airdrop, mining ... I will put something out, my issue is that I don't like to talk about things until they are either complete, or fully thought out. Which, in some cases means that I do not talk about things very frequently at all... But I do understand that people would like to 'see' what we're thinking. So, what I like to do instead, is what I call an 'idea map'. Which, I agree, I haven't put out in quite a while... and is probably a decent idea. We have simply been VERY busy. There are many things going on in multiple avenues at the moment, and it doesn't look to be slowing any time in the foreseeable future from what I can tell (which is definitely a good thing overall.) The ideas for what QORA will be, are frequently being modified, and adapting to other concepts we are putting together, etc... which means that an idea map is something that would be in constant flux, and as such is a bit difficult to accurately portray on a static medium. Nonetheless, I WILL put something together here, as I believe we finally DO have a solid plan for the overall nature of the future of both the existing platform, and for what is being referred to as 'Gen 2', which in reality is going to be a plethora of various chain platforms all working as one in the future. What we know as 'QORA' now, will be the foundation for so many fantastic new platforms and ideas... I truly believe that people will be extremely excited to be part of it. ... 'QORA' - the platform now - is to become an 'exchange'. However, this exchange is not typical. It is so not typical, in fact, that it will not be called an exchange at all. Instead, it will be called a 'Gateway' or 'trade portal'. (Personally, I am fond of the name 'Q-Gate', but that is not decided yet.) This gateway, will be multiple things. First of which, is TOTALLY TRUSTLESS. The methods utilized in the transactions carried out on the platform, are those which exercise the use of 'Atomic Cross-Chain Transfers' (or direct cross-blockchain coin trades. wallet-to-wallet, with no central authority.) This will create a fully automated trade ecosystem, without central authority whatsoever. This platform too, will make use of a newly devised method (by our team) of 'powering' the blockchain backend that comprises the core of the functionality... This method will essentially power the chain utilizing 'liquidity' as the variable. Making use of all blockchain-located data, the chain itself will be moved in accordance to guidelines of liquidity, in the 'order books' of the system itself. Because these are all verifiable blockchain-located data sets, the ability to make use of them to move the chain, is viable. (Every detail is still being worked out, however, the concept and base ideas are there.) 'SuperNodes' will be utilized in the system, in order to 'verify and track' the 'liquidity providers' of the system, rewarding them in accordance to the location, duration, and size of their orders on the books. (Rules will be finalized in regard to these methods, and have yet to be fully thought out.) This method, I personally believe, will provide a very stable, self-sustaining ecosystem that contains value-adding properties for the underlying service token of the platform, which is QORA itself. Given that QORA is a coin that has not only been released for many years, and the fact that its supply has been diminished from exchange issues, losses, and people 'giving up' on the coin in a more direct way than many other platforms (given the fact that the project has been seen as 'dead' for probably years in the eyes of most, and on the surface according to the search engines of the 'interwebz') The circulating supply is relatively unknown, and many other 'dead coin' 'issues' may affect any swap attempt in the future... Therefore... A SWAP IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETED AT ANY POINT. However, the value provided to existing QORA coins will be immense once the platform described above briefly comes to fruition. Keep in mind as well, that the development was picked up by our team. We are not holders from the original coin ICO, nor are we large holders by any means regardless. The project development was picked up due to merit of the underlying architecture and technology, and overall ideas that were put in place in QORA. We could have simply created a clone, but we did not. We chose to 'revive' the existing coin, and fully intend to fulfill that promise. However, we do believe that swapping from QORA to any other chain, in the ideas we had originally provided, is a bad idea, and will do nothing to benefit the Gen 2 platform. Hence, we shall not execute said swap. Thank you all, and here's to the future of QORA and all that come from its codebase! |
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I will put something out, my issue is that I don't like to talk about things until they are either complete, or fully thought out. Which, in some cases means that I do not talk about things very frequently at all...
But I do understand that people would like to 'see' what we're thinking. So, what I like to do instead, is what I call an 'idea map'. Which, I agree, I haven't put out in quite a while... and is probably a decent idea.
We have simply been VERY busy. There are many things going on in multiple avenues at the moment, and it doesn't look to be slowing any time in the foreseeable future from what I can tell (which is definitely a good thing overall.) The ideas for what QORA will be, are frequently being modified, and adapting to other concepts we are putting together, etc... which means that an idea map is something that would be in constant flux, and as such is a bit difficult to accurately portray on a static medium.
Nonetheless, I WILL put something together here, as I believe we finally DO have a solid plan for the overall nature of the future of both the existing platform, and for what is being referred to as 'Gen 2', which in reality is going to be a plethora of various chain platforms all working as one in the future.
What we know as 'QORA' now, will be the foundation for so many fantastic new platforms and ideas... I truly believe that people will be extremely excited to be part of it.
...
'QORA' - the platform now - is to become an 'exchange'. However, this exchange is not typical. It is so not typical, in fact, that it will not be called an exchange at all.
Instead, it will be called a 'Gateway' or 'trade portal'. (Personally, I am fond of the name 'Q-Gate', but that is not decided yet.) This gateway, will be multiple things. First of which, is TOTALLY TRUSTLESS. The methods utilized in the transactions carried out on the platform, are those which exercise the use of 'Atomic Cross-Chain Transfers' (or direct cross-blockchain coin trades. wallet-to-wallet, with no central authority.)
This will create a fully automated trade ecosystem, without central authority whatsoever.
This platform too, will make use of a newly devised method (by our team) of 'powering' the blockchain backend that comprises the core of the functionality... This method will essentially power the chain utilizing 'liquidity' as the variable. Making use of all blockchain-located data, the chain itself will be moved in accordance to guidelines of liquidity, in the 'order books' of the system itself. Because these are all verifiable blockchain-located data sets, the ability to make use of them to move the chain, is viable. (Every detail is still being worked out, however, the concept and base ideas are there.)
'SuperNodes' will be utilized in the system, in order to 'verify and track' the 'liquidity providers' of the system, rewarding them in accordance to the location, duration, and size of their orders on the books. (Rules will be finalized in regard to these methods, and have yet to be fully thought out.)
This method, I personally believe, will provide a very stable, self-sustaining ecosystem that contains value-adding properties for the underlying service token of the platform, which is QORA itself.
Given that QORA is a coin that has not only been released for many years, and the fact that its supply has been diminished from exchange issues, losses, and people 'giving up' on the coin in a more direct way than many other platforms (given the fact that the project has been seen as 'dead' for probably years in the eyes of most, and on the surface according to the search engines of the 'interwebz') The circulating supply is relatively unknown, and many other 'dead coin' 'issues' may affect any swap attempt in the future... Therefore...
A SWAP IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETED AT ANY POINT. However, the value provided to existing QORA coins will be immense once the platform described above briefly comes to fruition.
Keep in mind as well, that the development was picked up by our team. We are not holders from the original coin ICO, nor are we large holders by any means regardless. The project development was picked up due to merit of the underlying architecture and technology, and overall ideas that were put in place in QORA. We could have simply created a clone, but we did not. We chose to 'revive' the existing coin, and fully intend to fulfill that promise. However, we do believe that swapping from QORA to any other chain, in the ideas we had originally provided, is a bad idea, and will do nothing to benefit the Gen 2 platform. Hence, we shall not execute said swap.
Thank you all, and here's to the future of QORA and all that come from its codebase!
Thanks for the update! Can you confirm that gen2 will be distributed mostly from PoW mining, will there be any ICO, will there be any premine, how will the dev team get compensated? The vision you describe sounds great and i like what you're describing, but any complaints from Qora gen1 holders will revolve around answers to type of questions above. I personally think ICO era the last 2 years left a lot of damage, and so a staged time released premine will get most community support from gen1 holders. As I said above, better to have disgruntled gen1 guys leave the community early if the don't like the basics of gen2 distribution, don't have months of arguments and fud. |
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next update is great, from which nothing results. Months have passed, there is no website, no exchange. There are a lot of ideas for that, every week a different concept for qora, hallelujah  New round of ICO for the new chain might change developers minds and give it another shot. Question is, are people willing to throw some extra BTC at a reboot of Qora or do people just want free coins for doing nothing? |
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Question is, are people willing to throw some extra BTC at a reboot of Qora or do people just want free coins for doing nothing?
I agree, this is the question we need to ask, I expect the answer from most will be 'free coins for doing nothing' though, so we best get that sorted now, if there's going to be an ICO I don't think many Qora gen1 holders will support it (throwing good money at bad investment), but maybe new entrants to the cryptosphere might. Either way we need certainty about the plan asap. |
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Is there. Going too be qora Ico if so,when what will old coins be worth
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next update is great, from which nothing results. Months have passed, there is no website, no exchange. There are a lot of ideas for that, every week a different concept for qora, hallelujah New round of ICO for the new chain might change developers minds and give it another shot. Question is, are people willing to throw some extra BTC at a reboot of Qora or do people just want free coins for doing nothing? There was already and ICO and the current devs are not a part of it. Doing another ICO would mean a swap and create more coin. But instead Crow is Honoring the ICO / coin holders since the codebase is being used and modified. These holders are now Liquidity providers and look to be compensated as if they were an Exchange but decentralized. So no ICO would be needed since Q2 will be a Monatization of its own through PoW or some other function. It seems like honoring the current coin holders by not diluting their shares would be a preference and puts less pressure on the current devs also. I think this path of least resistance is the best option and the functionality makes Q1 stand out to where it has a usefulness to the coin instead of just trading it endlessly back and forth. Now also any Q1 holders will know about Q2 and can leverage the platform there also. It is like Q1 is also a springboard into Q2 and Q2 will still need Q1 for Liquidity. No ICO either so this is a free entry and market. Best of Both worlds! |
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next update is great, from which nothing results. Months have passed, there is no website, no exchange. There are a lot of ideas for that, every week a different concept for qora, hallelujah New round of ICO for the new chain might change developers minds and give it another shot. Question is, are people willing to throw some extra BTC at a reboot of Qora or do people just want free coins for doing nothing? There was already and ICO and the current devs are not a part of it. Doing another ICO would mean a swap and create more coin. But instead Crow is Honoring the ICO / coin holders since the codebase is being used and modified. These holders are now Liquidity providers and look to be compensated as if they were an Exchange but decentralized. So no ICO would be needed since Q2 will be a Monatization of its own through PoW or some other function. It seems like honoring the current coin holders by not diluting their shares would be a preference and puts less pressure on the current devs also. I think this path of least resistance is the best option and the functionality makes Q1 stand out to where it has a usefulness to the coin instead of just trading it endlessly back and forth. Now also any Q1 holders will know about Q2 and can leverage the platform there also. It is like Q1 is also a springboard into Q2 and Q2 will still need Q1 for Liquidity. No ICO either so this is a free entry and market. Best of Both worlds! How will it be diluted if the coin is worth almost $0 at the moment? There is no volume and one exchange no one know who is operating. What I was trying to get at is that maybe the devs need some incentive to continue, all I keep seeing is "I bought years ago and now want my speculative investment to make me lots of $$$" Tell me, which is better: A new round of funding so the devs can be paid for their work (they have to eat and pay living expenses after all) or just hold onto something that will most likely be forgotten soon. |
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next update is great, from which nothing results. Months have passed, there is no website, no exchange. There are a lot of ideas for that, every week a different concept for qora, hallelujah New round of ICO for the new chain might change developers minds and give it another shot. Question is, are people willing to throw some extra BTC at a reboot of Qora or do people just want free coins for doing nothing? I doubt it, for e I don't know how strong the community is, if they can afford to raise fund for the project which I would rather prefer to ICO an existing project, people have lost money on their investment this year and with the performances of ICOs in the market now we can see people are not willing to give money out again just in the name of ICO if the project is not well sound |
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I'm pretty sure I followed up with this but just in case anyone doesn't know: Poloniex got back to me on 11th Sept with this: Hi catbref,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. The engineering team has cleaned up the missing withdrawals. Please let us know if you hear of any more issues.
Best,
Poloniex Support Team So if you've have a pending withdrawal ticket before the 11th, or you withdrew but the funds 'disappeared', then it might be a good idea to open a fresh ticket with Polo to withdraw your Qora to your wallet. Don't forget to use the latest release v0.26.11 instead of the old v0.26.0 (or worse) as there have been tons of bugs fixed since then. If anyone does open a fresh withdrawal ticket, please report back with success or otherwise. In other news, on Friday we had a Qora v2 node synced up to date with blocks fed from a v0.26.11 node. The main hurdle to this milestone was the [re]implementation of CIYAM AT library. The previous CIYAM AT code was too tightly integrated with Qora and MapDB to re-use. The new library is built to be coin-independent so can be imported into other coins, which allows more atomic cross-chain transfers (ACCT). BTC-Qora ACCTs have been demonstrated but we still need a user-friendly way of building them, maybe a website, maybe a Qora2 plug-in. |
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