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February 20, 2016, 11:31:23 PM
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It's interesting how they're asking for access in a certain country and after they're in they start to threaten.

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February 21, 2016, 01:30:28 AM
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No offense to muslims here. If Islam is a religion of peace then why middle east is a well-known Islam region in the world. Then why there is always war between them? Brothers against brothers of them then separating of their religion with the government, if they want peace then they must be pro-government

In the middle ages, everyone were frequently involved in warfare and looting. Even the majority Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist nations were constantly involved in warfare against each other. But the difference is that, as the industrial revolution kicked in, these countries became more and more pacifist. Their war-monger character was replaced by a more pacifist thinking. This transformation never occurred in the Muslim world.

MAY confuse cause and effect.  Before the industrial revolution, the way to get loot was to take it - zero sum game.  After, the way was to create it.   A prime reason for war went away.  And in the Muslim world - why?

Either it was a question of basic ability, or of cultural imperatives.
Were they too ignorant?  Too dumb?  Did they shy away from industrialization?  Like American Indians that would not use a wheel? 

But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

That's likely a key question.
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My Arabic speaking friend told me that world Islam itself means "PEACE". and besides this I myself believe that all religions guide and emphasize on PEACE and it is Human beings who change religions some times for their self benefits which makes others think negative about certain religions.

Well, there's a guy in prison for life down here whose first name is Jesus, so I guess in reality he's right next to God.  According to your logic, right?  What it's NAMED is what it IS.

Might be a bit of a logical error there.

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No offense to muslims here. If Islam is a religion of peace then why middle east is a well-known Islam region in the world. Then why there is always war between them? Brothers against brothers of them then separating of their religion with the government, if they want peace then they must be pro-government

In the middle ages, everyone were frequently involved in warfare and looting. Even the majority Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist nations were constantly involved in warfare against each other. But the difference is that, as the industrial revolution kicked in, these countries became more and more pacifist. Their war-monger character was replaced by a more pacifist thinking. This transformation never occurred in the Muslim world.

MAY confuse cause and effect.  Before the industrial revolution, the way to get loot was to take it - zero sum game.  After, the way was to create it.   A prime reason for war went away.  And in the Muslim world - why?

Either it was a question of basic ability, or of cultural imperatives.
Were they too ignorant?  Too dumb?  Did they shy away from industrialization?  Like American Indians that would not use a wheel? 

But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

That's likely a key question.


No offense to muslims here. If Islam is a religion of peace then why middle east is a well-known Islam region in the world. Then why there is always war between them? Brothers against brothers of them then separating of their religion with the government, if they want peace then they must be pro-government

In the middle ages, everyone were frequently involved in warfare and looting. Even the majority Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist nations were constantly involved in warfare against each other. But the difference is that, as the industrial revolution kicked in, these countries became more and more pacifist. Their war-monger character was replaced by a more pacifist thinking. This transformation never occurred in the Muslim world.

WW1, WW2, cold war with all their proxy wars.
I think in the last century more people then ever died since human history in the same timeframe.

And that was pretty much caused alone by western countries.

too dumb hits it perfectly haha

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February 21, 2016, 07:32:02 AM
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But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

This what happens when the sole meaning of "education" is "religious education". Most of the Muslims study religion for 6 or 7 hours a day, and study science and other subjects for at the most 1 or 2 hours. That means that their skills are not as good as individuals hailing from other cultures. They are not capable of innovation, and not suitable for skilled labor.
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February 21, 2016, 01:10:41 PM
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But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

This what happens when the sole meaning of "education" is "religious education". Most of the Muslims study religion for 6 or 7 hours a day, and study science and other subjects for at the most 1 or 2 hours. That means that their skills are not as good as individuals hailing from other cultures. They are not capable of innovation, and not suitable for skilled labor.

Yeah for sure, nothing to do with wars instability revolutions...


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But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

This what happens when the sole meaning of "education" is "religious education". Most of the Muslims study religion for 6 or 7 hours a day, and study science and other subjects for at the most 1 or 2 hours. That means that their skills are not as good as individuals hailing from other cultures. They are not capable of innovation, and not suitable for skilled labor.

Yeah for sure, nothing to do with wars instability revolutions...

What is asked here is whether the wars, instability and revolution are caused by the lack of education suitable for building industrial infrastructure.

It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

NOTE:  I am posing this question re Islam.  I do not know that the poverty is cause or effect.  Maybe it is unrelated - if you discovered you had great wealth in oil, would there be incentive to industrialize?  No.

But oil poor primarily Muslim nations seem to have similar levels of ignorance and problems, don't they?
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Nothing happens by mistake. There are interests everywhere.

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All religions have their god in the world of Islam is very different from them, because I am the primary reason for this is not the religion of peace, which some people are against peace

I have no idea what happened here...

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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.
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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

So true. Makes you wonder. Instead things are as they are...

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Nope. All of religions are religion of peace until chaotic persons used them to confuse the minds of people.

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Nope. All of religions are religion of peace until chaotic persons used them to confuse the minds of people.

You did read the Bible, did you not? Or the other religious books that are out there.

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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.
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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.
Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.
Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

We're waiting for the price of cars and their maintenance to come down, the roads to be repaired, miles per gallon to at least triple, and traffic cops to be gone.

Will a bad economy fix this? It might remove the cops and the price of car maintenance, if it gets bad enough. Cops won't work for no pay, and supply and demand will bring maintenance down.

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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.
Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

Low oil and energy prices are said to be great for the consumer, but bad for the stock market.
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Low oil and energy prices are said to be great for the consumer, but bad for the stock market.

Well.. let me put it this way: Low oil prices are good for common people, but bad for banks, hedge funds and the big corporations. Low oil prices can result in lower prices for almost everything, including agricultural produce, chemical products and electricity. It can also help to reduce the trade deficit in oil importing nations. The corporations and banks are affected because many of the oil producers are going to default on their loans.
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February 22, 2016, 11:54:24 AM
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It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.
Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

Low oil and energy prices are said to be great for the consumer, but bad for the stock market.

And here is why you're already dead, you're thinking about the stock market... You're just lost for Humanity.

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