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February 13, 2016, 12:03:46 AM
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I think all religions offer peace but in reality we see religion wars. I hope someday people understand wars are unnecessary and we all live with peace with or without religions.



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February 13, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human


Well was nothing to do with joining another group..
you fed your family only at one stage ..so why was religion about joining together to capture bigger animals SO YOU READ SOME BOOKS

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.
Also I am not religious but if you look at the Jews I find that history as told me that most people on this planet ARE JEALOUS OF THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY BETTER..
JEALOUS PEOPLE..
Its not hard you just got to save up and buy a business.or think and open a business.
Don't get me wrong some Jews with the curly locks i don't like only because they take there religion to far.
But have no hate and have never hated the Jews I actually Admire them for the way they run things
Good savers good at business Know how to handle money and make more

This is how you make Yourself rich
Go get a job worth 300 dollars get a room for 50 dollars sharing with 5 others..
buy noodles to eat all week 15 dollars other bits and bobs buy a second hand bike to travel to work.
Leaves you 200 dollars to save every week..
no smoking
no drinking
no parties
no drugs
live like this for 3 years over 3 years you would save 30k dollars..go and rent a corner shop for 5k year
rent.fill the shop with 10k worth of stock leaves you 15k left leave it in the bank.
sell your goods and live above your shop and eat the noodles your selling for another 3 years
no smoking
no drinking
no parties
no drugs
you will then save over 3 years a good shop can make 1500 a week easy.could be well more but just lets say 1500 a week. you live on your noodles and now save 1400 a week over 156 weeks
easy 280k dollars
then you rent a factory.and the sky's the limit.See no religion in that process
BUT US WESTERNER WOULD NEVER LIVE LIKE THIS WE WANT IT ALL NOW TO SPEND NOW..
SO WE NEVER SAVE.
Jews live like this and save Most people who have made it in life have took this way of thinking to make them rich
Its not hard to be rich you just need to suffer I.E without western things like smoking drink parties drugs going out..
save all your money and buy a business never go wrong with a sweet shop then move on to bigger things..
SO STOP GETTING JEALOUS OF THE JEWS.just save your money and buy a business.
MAC'DONALD'S pay 9 pounds an hour so 360 a week..
not so hard to be rich if you put your mind to it need a bit of discipline NOT RELIGION.
Anyone can in the west be rich if they really want to FACT



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February 13, 2016, 12:25:57 AM
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You got drafted then if you didn't fight you got shot for treason ..was religion involved to make people fight? answer no?
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You completely misunderstood.  I meant people are willing to send their own children to die and die themselves VOLUNTARILY for a common myth.  If you don't believe me, ask Palestinian mothers who send their own children to die in suicide attacks and are proud of it. Or ask some Americans why they are sending their 18 yr olds to die in Iraq.  US does not have a draft right now.  Many of these kids are killed or maimed because they bought into the patriotism myth.

religion was never so because we wanted to join another clan to capture bigger animals
RELIGION IS THE BLAME GAME ? And lets face it who gets the blame the most the ones closest to you
Because someone from another area was never going to bother you only someone close?

I disagree.  For example if you look how Muslims come out to defend their religion (a common goal) regardless of the validity of the criticisms.  They come out to support "their brothers and sisters".  Despite of the fact that the leader of their religion was a pedophile as documented in their own scripture.  If you tell me that the same people would give a flying puck about terrorists and rapists if it wasn't for their delusion (aka religion), then I have the Brooklyn bridge for sale.

The religions first unite people then control what they think and do.

If you and few other, smarter apes got together and started thinking: "well guys we cannot chase that Mastodon, we cannot capture it by ourselves, how about we talk to these guys on the other side of the river or a mountain, but how can we convince them it is a good idea?  Think, think....Oh I know, how about we tell them the bright light in the sky told us and we are just relying the message, yeah, that is right, I think I heard the light talking to me too....etc  Ok, we'll tell them that if they don't help us, they will have no light on their side of the river.  They went, the other guys co-operated, the myth was born.  If they did not co-operate, they've made an example out of them, same outcome, the myth was born because some other guys behind the mountains heard about the plague of the light circle. etc., etc."




NO NO NO WE ATE EACH OTHER first only later in life we joined to capture bigger animals
When lions hunt together do they preach the bible before they go on a hunt ?
Stop thinking like a human YOUR REALLY A LIVING ORGANISM MADE BY THIS PLANET..
How have all the other species survived and hunted in packs by preaching religion

Where is a wolfs god
religion started because of weather fact
Bad weather upset gods..upset gods blame someone and kill them to please the gods fact..
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February 13, 2016, 12:32:29 AM
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NO NO NO WE ATE EACH OTHER first only later in life we joined to capture bigger animals

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures Wink.
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February 13, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
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NO NO NO WE ATE EACH OTHER first only later in life we joined to capture bigger animals

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures Wink.

Just think like this if you never heard thunder and you lived without human interaction and for the first time you heard thunder what would you think?
now remember you have banged on walls and never made a loud noise like that.
what would you think..
in the end you would come to some conclusion it must be from something above?
Then comes Chinese whispers as to what that sound could be?..
And here we are in the 21st century still wondering who made that sound?

 us atheist know how that sound come to be just a shame the rest don't
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NO NO NO WE ATE EACH OTHER first only later in life we joined to capture bigger animals

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures Wink.

more so than popular, i think it might be accurate to say that its integral to some cultures. people dont really take up to xenophobia like a fad or something, its just there.

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February 13, 2016, 02:39:50 AM
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If Islam was peace, how come it cannot be at peace with Jews and with Israel?

Even if it cannot be at peace with Jews, why the constant drum roll to "kill them all?"

Why the constant advocacy of genicide?

How can that be reconciled with "Islam is peace?"

Is it possible for a Muslim to have these ideas in his mind at the same time, and believe them both -

"Kill the Evil Jews!"
"Islam is Peace!"


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Islam is a belief system that historically has been very tolerant because it teaches its' adherents to tolerate and protect people of other faiths.

The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

Jewish life in the middle ages under muslim rule was one of general tolerance and respect. Every time the Crusaders over took Jerusalem there would blood in the streets and only when the muslims re-took possession did all three faiths live together somewhat harmoniously.

Remember the "re-conquest of Spain"...where did the Jews go for safety? England? Germany? Nope...the Ottoman Empire dispatched their navy to bring jews into Ottoman lands. I had the great pleasure to visit synagogs built by MUSLIM Ottomans in Sarajevo for Jews fleeing persecution from Spain. Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and polymath, lived and thrived in Muslim Spain.  

We forget that Christian Europe was were Jews were severely oppressed...muslim never had a history of pogroms. Nazi Germany was the white, protestant, western, and industrial country that committed the horrendous Holocaust.

All this needs to be taken to into account when evaluating the current problem between Jews and Muslims. One has to ask, did the Islamic religion or Islamic beliefs change 180 degrees in the past 70 years? Were the muslims reading a different Quran for 1300 years while they peacefully co-existed with their Jewish cousins?

The current problem between Jews and Muslims rests solely on the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948. Land, resources, and the displacement of the indigenous Arab population is the root cause of the current crises between the two parties. The myth of "they've hatted each other for 100's of years" only holds weight for someone who has not opened or read a history book.
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February 13, 2016, 02:40:33 AM
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NO NO NO WE ATE EACH OTHER first only later in life we joined to capture bigger animals

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures Wink.

more so than popular, i think it might be accurate to say that its integral to some cultures. people dont really take up to xenophobia like a fad or something, its just there.
Just like any animal not in my pack go away your taking my food Grin
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February 13, 2016, 03:47:13 AM
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Thank us British for giving ISRAEL back to the Jews .We British fought and took that land back because it says in the bible that the Israelites where kicked out by Arab muslims
So we give them back there land

And nothing to do with books this is my own thinking
3 main religions JEWS CHRISTIANS MUSLIMS which religion formed first?
So the Israelites come first the Christians second and the Muslims third yes
So how is it Muslims land if the jews where there way before the MUSLIMS

Now remember jews muslims christians where all arabs at one stage .So the arab jews ruled over all religion
so the jews where first to own that land..
Forget about your history because lots of history is a lie
The jews where here before the muslims so they where first to own that land

MUSLIMS NEVER EXISTED WHEN ARAB JEWS FIRST STARTED OUT.. all the 3 main religion comes from arab lands

Now the Babylonian jews ruled most of the middle east way before Islam
So as the jews where there first its there land and if you think about it the whole of the middle east is jew land because it was the first main religion muslims come 3rd along the chain?

Christian arabs chased the arab jews then the muslims are now chasing the arab christians and the arab jews
You see we all know The middle east is ARABS yes
So which religious ARABS where there first THE JEWS BEFORE MUSLIMS so they really own all of ARAB LAND

Now we could go back further The sun god RA they own the arab lands

Do you see the pattern RELIGION its suppresses WHO? and who does it blame WHO?
ANSWER YOUR OWN PEOPLE..
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February 13, 2016, 05:56:05 AM
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If Islam was peace, how come it cannot be at peace with Jews and with Israel?

Even if it cannot be at peace with Jews, why the constant drum roll to "kill them all?"

Why the constant advocacy of genicide?

How can that be reconciled with "Islam is peace?"

Is it possible for a Muslim to have these ideas in his mind at the same time, and believe them both -

"Kill the Evil Jews!"
"Islam is Peace!"



Islam is a belief system that historically has been very tolerant because it teaches its' adherents to tolerate and protect people of other faiths.

The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

Jewish life in the middle ages under muslim rule was one of general tolerance and respect. Every time the Crusaders over took Jerusalem there would blood in the streets and only when the muslims re-took possession did all three faiths live together somewhat harmoniously.

Remember the "re-conquest of Spain"...where did the Jews go for safety? England? Germany? Nope...the Ottoman Empire dispatched their navy to bring jews into Ottoman lands. I had the great pleasure to visit synagogs built by MUSLIM Ottomans in Sarajevo for Jews fleeing persecution from Spain. Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and polymath, lived and thrived in Muslim Spain.  

We forget that Christian Europe was were Jews were severely oppressed...muslim never had a history of pogroms. Nazi Germany was the white, protestant, western, and industrial country that committed the horrendous Holocaust.

All this needs to be taken to into account when evaluating the current problem between Jews and Muslims. One has to ask, did the Islamic religion or Islamic beliefs change 180 degrees in the past 70 years? Were the muslims reading a different Quran for 1300 years while they peacefully co-existed with their Jewish cousins?

The current problem between Jews and Muslims rests solely on the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948. Land, resources, and the displacement of the indigenous Arab population is the root cause of the current crises between the two parties. The myth of "they've hatted each other for 100's of years" only holds weight for someone who has not opened or read a history book.




Bah.  Except it's not just Jews, is it?  But on the subject of Jew's it's advocacy of genocide.  Don't talk excuses to me and rationalizaitons.  I am not saying they may not be good for your cause.

Your words are not those of Peace.  Period.  Admit it, and let's move forward.
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February 13, 2016, 06:01:57 AM
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The current problem between Jews and Muslims rests solely on the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948. Land, resources, and the displacement of the indigenous Arab population is the root cause of the current crises between the two parties. The myth of "they've hatted each other for 100's of years" only holds weight for someone who has not opened or read a history book.

When you are talking about the forced displacement of the Arabs, you are conveniently forgetting about the forced displacement of the Jews. During the 1940s and the 1950s, more than a million Jews had to flee the Arab nations, especially Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Libya, and Egypt. They were never compensated and now there are no Jews in any of these nations. On the other hand, right now 20% of the Israeli population is Arab.

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The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

To set the record straight it was the Greeks who started the expelling before the Romans Wink
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The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

To set the record straight it was the Greeks who started the expelling before the Romans Wink

This is quite irrelevant.  Are we to believe that in the past, the Muslims were so nice and tolerant, but now they are not?  This is not a justification, but a simple statement that....

"Islam is not peace."

It's not I that make this assertion then, but those Muslims who preach it.  And where does this lead?

"Islam is peace, well except when it's not."

Let's hear how this can be because I'm not impressed.
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Don't think so. Maybe just maybe in original version, but this interpretation we see now like radical islam definitely not. And when all those lands were under people like Gadafi,Husein,Asad there was peace and tolerance let say non violent also in Iran while Sah Pahlavi was there and  suddenly after their fall radical islam shows and rise up.
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And when all those lands were under people like Gadafi,Husein,Asad there was peace and tolerance let say non violent also in Iran while Sah Pahlavi was there and  suddenly after their fall radical islam shows and rise up.

Both Saddam Hussein and Bashar al Assad were a part of the Arab nationalist Ba'áth party. Gaddhafi also was a proponent of Arab nationalism. They gave importance to Arab supremacy, and suppressed Islamic nationalism. Christian Arabs used to play an important role in the Ba'áth party and even now they are quite powerful.

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February 13, 2016, 12:54:49 PM
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In every society you have radical elements.
Especially in Islam they are very fertile ground , in many cases those are very poor people.
 Joining groups they finally have acceptance and find themselves useful.
Also by this way they provide security and existence for family, which is ery sad.
For someone to live someone else must die!?
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February 13, 2016, 03:04:56 PM
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In every society you have radical elements.
Especially in Islam they are very fertile ground , in many cases those are very poor people.
 Joining groups they finally have acceptance and find themselves useful.
Also by this way they provide security and existence for family, which is ery sad.
For someone to live someone else must die!?
So Islam is or is not Peace?
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February 13, 2016, 03:19:13 PM
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i dont know it....but there is total unrest in the world caused by people belonging to that religion...so cant say anything!!
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February 13, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
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i dont know it....but there is total unrest in the world caused by people belonging to that religion...so cant say anything!!

The reasons why the true Muslims do violence are listed here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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Yeah, over 100 verses that call to violence. Religion of peace - right.

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