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February 15, 2016, 08:23:01 PM
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In my opinion, all religions are religions of peace.....

Prove it.  Some religions actually are religions of peace, such as the Christian Quaker sect.  Others are not the same.

It is a logical error to claim they are the same, is it not?  And we know that different sects of Islam teach wildly different behavior.  Again, they are not the same.

yes , i agree with you.. not all the religions are peaceful, some of then even let people make war... this is so illogical..

Actually a pretty good answer to the question "Is Islam a religion of Peace" is that,

"None of this makes sense."

So it would appear.  But that does NOT ALLOW the conclusion "Islam is peace."
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February 16, 2016, 04:34:21 AM
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"Political Islam" is an empty shell that uses religious terminology as political slogans. What you see is very similar to the reformation Christianity under went in Europe...every man thinks they have the right to interpret the religion how they see fit and is willing to kill anyone who opposes them, be they muslim or not.....

But if the religion Islam itself proposes and requires as a goal Islamic theocracy, then you can neither shrug off "political Islam" as an empty shell, nor consider it as separate from Islam itself.

Like it or not, it is what it is.

I conclude that political manifestations related to Islam are Islam itself.  Is any other interpretation possible?  You can't just pick and choose what goes in the "Islam" box and the "Not Islam" box to reach any desired conclusions.

Yes, there are numerous other possible interpretations. There are 5 basic pillars of Islam taught to children and practiced by muslims.

1. Declaration that there is no god worthy of worship but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God.
2. Prayer 5 times a day
3. Alms giving
4. Fasting during Ramadan
5. Pilgrimage to Mecca if able

There are over a billion muslims in the world who should practice all five pillars (although not everyone practices). Notice that if Islam taught, as a foundational pillar, that they must establish an Islamic theocracy there would chaos in the western world. I live in an American city with 120 mosques...what would be the consequences if all those muslims shared the beliefs of that murderous fringe that purports to speak on behalf of Islam.

The vast majority of muslims choose not to, not because they are weak or don't follow their religion fully. They choose not to because they know it is not from their religion. They are stuck in between non-muslims and extremists, who both claim that they don't properly understand their own religion.

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February 16, 2016, 05:25:58 AM
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I believe Islam is a religion of peace. I am a Christian and have many Muslim friends. The only problem is that some of them are hardliners who base on some verses in the Qur'an to mislead people.
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February 16, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
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Islam like any other religion is a religion of peace.
But world wide most of the people consider Islam just opposite to it. No religion on this earth teaches violence or hatred.

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February 16, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
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Islam like any other religion is a religion of peace.
But world wide most of the people consider Islam just opposite to it. No religion on this earth teaches violence or hatred.

Now that is an utter bullshit.

You are ignorant of your own religion and all other religions.

All of them teach violence and hatred.
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February 16, 2016, 04:39:59 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

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February 16, 2016, 05:30:31 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.

Great point.

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February 16, 2016, 06:37:40 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Good question, I don't have any Idea of where it comes from! Who called it this way in the first place? ^^


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February 16, 2016, 06:51:36 PM
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Yeah, Islam is a religion of peace. When they don't kill people. But on the other hand all other religions are of peace when they do the same thing.

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February 16, 2016, 06:52:04 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Good question, I don't have any Idea of where it comes from! Who called it this way in the first place? ^^

Orwell maybe.  You know:  War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength etc.

it does have an Orwelian twist: Islam is peace, you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get to the peace part, or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.
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February 16, 2016, 06:59:44 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Good question, I don't have any Idea of where it comes from! Who called it this way in the first place? ^^

Orwell maybe.  You know:  War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength etc.

it does have an Orwelian twist: Islam is peace, you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get to the peace part, or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace

"Religion of Peace" is a political neologism used as a description of Islam. After the September 11, 2001 attacks, some politicians described Islam as a "religion of peace" in an effort to differentiate between Islamic terrorists, Islamism, and non-violent Muslims

So it appears the very phrase never was definitional of Islam, as it came into use AFTER 9/11 and in a politically driven context of historical revisionism. 

If for example, Mohammed had said those exact words, or some that reasonably well translated to that, that would be something all Muslims would defend.  Same if the Koran said those exact words.  My understanding is that they DO NOT.

Hence I'm back to thinking the very question "Is Islam a religion of peace," is in fact a good question to be debated.  It would appear that a devout Muslim would be permitted to say "No," to the question. 
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February 16, 2016, 07:07:53 PM
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Islam like any other religion is a religion of peace.
But world wide most of the people consider Islam just opposite to it. No religion on this earth teaches violence or hatred.
If people consider any religion to be a religion of hatred then its their misconception of what they read in the media and see how others react around them. I too will say Islam basically supports peace in this world and for every human.

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February 16, 2016, 07:14:03 PM
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One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Good question, I don't have any Idea of where it comes from! Who called it this way in the first place? ^^

Orwell maybe.  You know:  War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength etc.

it does have an Orwelian twist: Islam is peace, you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get to the peace part, or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace

"Religion of Peace" is a political neologism used as a description of Islam. After the September 11, 2001 attacks, some politicians described Islam as a "religion of peace" in an effort to differentiate between Islamic terrorists, Islamism, and non-violent Muslims

So it appears the very phrase never was definitional of Islam, as it came into use AFTER 9/11 and in a politically driven context of historical revisionism. 

If for example, Mohammed had said those exact words, or some that reasonably well translated to that, that would be something all Muslims would defend.  Same if the Koran said those exact words.  My understanding is that they DO NOT.

Hence I'm back to thinking the very question "Is Islam a religion of peace," is in fact a good question to be debated.  It would appear that a devout Muslim would be permitted to say "No," to the question. 


The Arabic term "Islam" itself is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term "aslama", which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".

The Arabic word salaam (سلام) ("Peace") has the same root as the word Islam. One Islamic interpretation is that individual personal peace is attained by utterly submitting to Allah.
 
As in other Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, etc.), peace is a basic concept in Islamic thought.

The greeting "Salaam alaykum", favoured by Muslims, has the literal meaning "Peace be upon you". Muhammad is reported to have said once: "Not one of you believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." (Great Muslim scholars have said that the words ‘his brother’ mean any person irrespective of faith.)

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February 16, 2016, 07:21:15 PM
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or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.
Aren't they also killing their own, because they believe a fraction different than the rest? Lovely peace they have!

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February 16, 2016, 07:31:19 PM
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or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.
Aren't they also killing their own, because they believe a fraction different than the rest? Lovely peace they have!

We are the borg. We come in peace. Surrender.

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February 16, 2016, 07:34:27 PM
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I find the most retarded reason to kill someone is for religion. I believe those people are specially retarded today.

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February 16, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
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I find the most retarded reason to kill someone is for religion. I believe those people are specially retarded today.

And ironically most of the deaths have been caused by religion since the beginning of time.

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February 16, 2016, 08:42:05 PM
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I find the most retarded reason to kill someone is for religion. I believe those people are specially retarded today.

And ironically most of the deaths have been caused by religion since the beginning of time.
true but WW1 and WW2 didn't started buy islamic countrys and i don"t think they had less casulties like the other wars basrd on religions
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February 16, 2016, 09:31:05 PM
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Maybe we should ask boko haram for opinion about peace?



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February 17, 2016, 01:42:46 AM
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Maybe we should ask boko haram for opinion about peace?

Amazing how they love guns and knives Grin

Those are considered sacred in their religious belief.
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