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February 29, 2016, 09:48:50 PM
 #121

Sure, there's a little too much red tape and bureaucracy, but the advantages of staying seem to outweigh the negatives:

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"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

the eu did none of those things for us, they robbed us of 55 million quid per day then gave us back 27.5 million per day and claimed to be responsible for the above when they only really steal 27.5 million a day from the idiots who pay the tax

Ahahah xD

Yeah keep believing that UK alone will be able to conduct those kind of policies or researches.

Stay on your Island buddies. British have always been alone and will always be. They're not able to give anything up of themselves for the greater good.

Oh god if only Churchill and De Gaulle were here... What a marvelous EU they would have built.

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February 29, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
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 #122

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

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March 01, 2016, 09:33:27 AM
 #123

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

They don't give a fuck about that. They have one of the highest Gini index of Europe, they're a free and unequal society. They have nothing to do with the European dream, they'll be much more at ease as American puppets.

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March 01, 2016, 12:17:23 PM
 #124

Sure, there's a little too much red tape and bureaucracy, but the advantages of staying seem to outweigh the negatives:

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"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

the eu did none of those things for us, they robbed us of 55 million quid per day then gave us back 27.5 million per day and claimed to be responsible for the above when they only really steal 27.5 million a day from the idiots who pay the tax

Ahahah xD

Yeah keep believing that UK alone will be able to conduct those kind of policies or researches.

Stay on your Island buddies. British have always been alone and will always be. They're not able to give anything up of themselves for the greater good.

Oh god if only Churchill and De Gaulle were here... What a marvelous EU they would have built.

you sir need lobotomizing, it sounds like you are mr junker attempting to CONvince people to stay, we are leaving you dumb smuck....

we dont need to conduct anything, and yeah we're happy on our island thank you, keep your cest pit known as the criminal mafia cabal of the EU Tongue
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March 01, 2016, 12:19:53 PM
 #125

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley
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March 01, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
 #126

Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.
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March 01, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
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Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.

as long as were a part of the criminal eu they get to dictate our laws, your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they did not give up their lives for us to become european, if i was you i would seriously be questioning where my loyalties laid Sad
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March 01, 2016, 01:01:09 PM
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Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.

If you guys think this over earlier (like 1803 or 1939) a lot of lives could have been saved Wink.
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March 01, 2016, 02:35:08 PM
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As you may know that UK will have a referendum about whether they will leave the European Union or not.
So I want to know your opinion regarding this issue, SPECIALLY who live in Europe or UK:

Are you with or against "the U.K. quits the European Union" ?
i am not the English, but i do not agree if the English decide to leave the EUropean Union, they will have some problems in various fields, political, economic and sports, of course, this will also limit the role of the UK's revitalized European Union.

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March 01, 2016, 02:42:36 PM
 #130

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

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March 01, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
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Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.

as long as were a part of the criminal eu they get to dictate our laws, your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they did not give up their lives for us to become european, if i was you i would seriously be questioning where my loyalties laid Sad

Yeah sure! Could you please give me one example of a law of UK that has been dictated by EU?

And your ancestors died for the Europeans to be free. Which means free to chose what they want to do.

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March 01, 2016, 03:11:02 PM
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After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

If the vote does not have people leaving it will mean that they have been brainwashed enough that no bullets will ever fly. Propaganda is more powerful than bullets.

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After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

If the vote does not have people leaving it will mean that they have been brainwashed enough that no bullets will ever fly. Propaganda is more powerful than bullets.

Or that people actually see why EU is good for them...

The pros and cons of leaving the EU


Perhaps the greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. Nevertheless, many have tried.

Trade: One of the biggest advantages of the EU is free trade between member nations, making it easier and cheaper for British companies to export their goods to Europe. Some business leaders think the boost to income outweighs the billions of pounds in membership fees Britain would save if it left the EU. The UK also risks losing some of its negotiation power internationally by leaving the trading bloc, but it would be free to establish trade agreements with non-EU countries.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage believes Britain could follow the lead of Norway, which has access to the single market but is not bound by EU laws on areas such as agriculture, justice and home affairs. But others argue that an "amicable divorce" would not be possible. The Economist says Britain would still be subject to the politics and economics of Europe, but would no longer have a seat at the table to try to influence matters.

A study by the think-tank Open Europe, which wants to see the EU radically reformed, found that the worst-case "Brexit" scenario is that the UK economy loses 2.2 per cent of its total GDP by 2030. However, it says that GDP could rise by 1.6 per cent if the UK could negotiate a free trade deal with Europe and pursued "very ambitious deregulation".

Investment: The general view is that inward investment could slow in the lead up to the vote due to the uncertainty of the outcome and its consequences, following the precedent set ahead of the Scottish independence referendum in 2014. Longer term, there are diverging views: pro-Europeans reckon the UK's status as one of the world's biggest financial centres will come under threat if it is no longer seen as a gateway to the EU for the likes of US banks, while Brexit campaigners argue London's unique appeal will not be diminished.

Barclays has put forward a different view, which will be seen as positive by those advocating a vote to leave. It reckons the departure of one of the union's most powerful economies would hit its finances and also boost populist anti-EU movements in other countries, the Daily Telegraph says. This would open a "Pandora's box" that could lead to the "collapse of the European project".

In this event, the UK could be seen as a safe haven from those risks, attracting investors, boosting the pound and reducing the risk that Scotland would "leave the relative safety of the UK for an increasingly uncertain EU".

Jobs: Free movement of people across the EU opens up job opportunities for UK workers willing to travel and makes it relatively easy for UK companies to employ workers from other EU countries. Ukip says this prevents the UK "managing its own borders". But, writing for the LSE, Professor Adrian Favell says limiting this freedom would deter the "brightest and the best" of the continent from coming to Britain, create complex new immigration controls and reduce the pool of candidates employers can choose from.

Regulations: Eurosceptics argue that the vast majority of small and medium sized firms do not trade with the EU but are restricted by a huge regulatory burden imposed from abroad. However, others warn that millions of jobs could be lost if global manufacturers, such as car makers, move to lower-cost EU countries, while British farmers would lose billions in EU subsidies.

Influence: Britain may lose some of its military influence – many believe that America would consider Britain to be a less useful ally if it was detached from Europe.

On the plus side, The Economist says Britain would also be able to claim back its territorial fishing waters, scrap caps on limits to the number of hours people can work per week, free itself from the EU's renewable energy drive and create a freer economic market. This would turn London into a "freewheeling hub for emerging-market finance – a sort of Singapore on steroids", it says.

But it concludes that the most likely outcome is that Britain would find itself "as a scratchy outsider with somewhat limited access to the single market, almost no influence and few friends. And one certainty: that having once departed, it would be all but impossible to get back in again."

Security: Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who has come out in favour of Brexit, believes we are leaving the "door open" to terrorist attacks by remaining in the European Union. "This open border does not allow us to check and control people," he says.

However, a dozen senior military figures, including former chiefs of defence staff Lord Bramall and Jock Stirrup, say the opposite. In a letter released by No 10, they argue that the EU is an "increasingly important pillar of our security", especially at a time of instability in the Middle East and in the face of "resurgent Russian nationalism and aggression".

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has also said the UK benefits from being part Europe, as well as Nato and the United Nations. "It is through the EU that you exchange criminal records and passenger records and work together on counter-terrorism," he said. "We need the collective weight of the EU when you are dealing with Russian aggression or terrorism."

In contrast, Colonel Richard Kemp, writing in The Times, says these "critical bilateral relationships" would persist regardless and that it is "absurd" to suggest the EU would put its own citizens, or the UK's, at greater risk by reducing cooperation in the event of Brexit. "By leaving, we will again be able to determine who does and does not enter the UK," says Kemp, a former head of the international terrorism team at the Cabinet Office. "Failure to do so significantly increases the terrorist threat here, endangers our people and is a betrayal of this country."

http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referendum

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March 01, 2016, 03:28:55 PM
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Nice and dandy, this is the pro-EU propaganda what coming even from the water tap. Unfortunately it's very difficult (if not impossible) to find any unbiased opinion on the diplomatic and economic impact of Brexit. Anyway as I see on my workplace (IT company with mostly mid-class english people) the majority would support the exit.
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After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

bullets against your criminal mafia guberments who will attempt to rig the vote, 95% of anybody who is anybody wants out, you retarded ins are traitors to your country, and the fallen war victims who fought to keep england english, and for us not to become european, but yeah only a retard accepts the bullshit they are TOLD
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March 01, 2016, 04:25:16 PM
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Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.

as long as were a part of the criminal eu they get to dictate our laws, your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they did not give up their lives for us to become european, if i was you i would seriously be questioning where my loyalties laid Sad

Yeah sure! Could you please give me one example of a law of UK that has been dictated by EU?

And your ancestors died for the Europeans to be free. Which means free to chose what they want to do.

all the legislations of the last 40 years, hows that for you?

and your ancestors died so we did not get taken over and become european, idiot!!!
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As you may know that UK will have a referendum about whether they will leave the European Union or not.
So I want to know your opinion regarding this issue, SPECIALLY who live in Europe or UK:

Are you with or against "the U.K. quits the European Union" ?
i am not the English, but i do not agree if the English decide to leave the EUropean Union, they will have some problems in various fields, political, economic and sports, of course, this will also limit the role of the UK's revitalized European Union.

screw the EU its a criminal mafia dictatorship, who will sink by vote or by force, either way, we never wanted any part of europe, just to trade but you give an inch n they take a mile, well now were taking back 10 mile as they have took the piss Tongue
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March 01, 2016, 06:46:28 PM
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People rely on the UK not just for goods but also for moral support as UK has extended it's help all across the globe throughout history. Now in the European Union it is the major country where others look up to, Britain's economy has long been established and to pull away from the Union will undoubtedly create unrest,disillusionment and a host of other problems.
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March 01, 2016, 06:58:22 PM
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People rely on the UK not just for goods but also for moral support as UK has extended it's help all across the globe throughout history. Now in the European Union it is the major country where others look up to, Britain's economy has long been established and to pull away from the Union will undoubtedly create unrest,disillusionment and a host of other problems.

Most moral support comes in the form of (Aid and Abet) whether it be arms or money.
Sending money to build a road or a bank does not feed people.
It's all about backhanded tricks.

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After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th Smiley

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

bullets against your criminal mafia guberments who will attempt to rig the vote, 95% of anybody who is anybody wants out, you retarded ins are traitors to your country, and the fallen war victims who fought to keep england english, and for us not to become european, but yeah only a retard accepts the bullshit they are TOLD

If you vote out you'll be out...

WHy talking about a mafia government?
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