Are you with or against "the U.K. quits the European Union" ?

[criptix]

& craked5
what are you not understanding about the facts that ALL technology is militarized before it is given to the general public, and the fact that ALL military tech has a 50 year classification period?

It's not true.
If what you say was true, it would mean that the internet was invented by the army in 1900. Too bad computer wasn't even invented in 1900.
And thousands of technologies have been developped by private research.

What you say makes no sense at all. Do you really believe that something like artificial hearts were used by army in 1960? But that we just only oppened it to the public!!!

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Not sure if or 

[trickyriky]

& craked5
what are you not understanding about the facts that ALL technology is militarized before it is given to the general public, and the fact that ALL military tech has a 50 year classification period?

It's not true.
If what you say was true, it would mean that the internet was invented by the army in 1900. Too bad computer wasn't even invented in 1900.
And thousands of technologies have been developped by private research.

What you say makes no sense at all. Do you really believe that something like artificial hearts were used by army in 1960? But that we just only oppened it to the public!!!

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Not sure if or 

feelings mutual, idiocracy was a film not the plan for humanity, seems too many of you got the wrong end of the stick :/

[xslugx]

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

[trickyriky]

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

they are all common knowledge, only an idiot asks for evidence of something which is common knowledge, give it up you can not beat me

[xslugx]

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

they are all common knowledge, only an idiot asks for evidence of something which is common knowledge, give it up you can not beat me

Common knowledge? Might want to ask around who's aware of that? Cause I'm ready to bet 10btc that 90% of the forum at least never heard of such "theory".

And if it's such common knowledge it should be incredibly easy to find any kind of evidence.

You see the fact that earth is round is a common knowledge. Well I just have to write "round earth" in google to find evidence. Whereas when I type your theory on google I have nothing.

[trickyriky]

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

they are all common knowledge, only an idiot asks for evidence of something which is common knowledge, give it up you can not beat me

Common knowledge? Might want to ask around who's aware of that? Cause I'm ready to bet 10btc that 90% of the forum at least never heard of such "theory".

And if it's such common knowledge it should be incredibly easy to find any kind of evidence.

You see the fact that earth is round is a common knowledge. Well I just have to write "round earth" in google to find evidence. Whereas when I type your theory on google I have nothing.

the glorious guberments regularly release declassified documentations, usually after 50 years of it being classified, this is common knowledge as far as im concerned, and it is also a well know fact that any new technology that is found is jumped on by the military industrial complex, we very rarely get anything before the military gets their hands on it, e-cigs being a recent example as far as im aware. i remember when i was younger DVDs had just come out or so i thought, my old man found it hillarious told me they tried introducing these DVDs 15 year previous but the mass's were apparently happy with betamax and rejected DVDs untill my generation came along, what im telling you is very real the history you were taught was not a true account of history by any short of the imagination :/

[popcorn1]

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

they are all common knowledge, only an idiot asks for evidence of something which is common knowledge, give it up you can not beat me

Common knowledge? Might want to ask around who's aware of that? Cause I'm ready to bet 10btc that 90% of the forum at least never heard of such "theory".

And if it's such common knowledge it should be incredibly easy to find any kind of evidence.

You see the fact that earth is round is a common knowledge. Well I just have to write "round earth" in google to find evidence. Whereas when I type your theory on google I have nothing.

the glorious guberments regularly release declassified documentations, usually after 50 years of it being classified, this is common knowledge as far as im concerned, and it is also a well know fact that any new technology that is found is jumped on by the military industrial complex, we very rarely get anything before the military gets their hands on it, e-cigs being a recent example as far as im aware. i remember when i was younger DVDs had just come out or so i thought, my old man found it hillarious told me they tried introducing these DVDs 15 year previous but the mass's were apparently happy with betamax and rejected DVDs untill my generation came along, what im telling you is very real the history you were taught was not a true account of history by any short of the imagination :/

Your right what your saying..If the technology can be used for war kill death murder..
Then your right military will always get it first and if not they kill you and take it..

Imagine you had invisible spray and said i will release to the public first so people can buy it..
The military would step in and say your selling it to us and no one else..Imagine if you said no?

Also FRANCE WHO ARE YOU THREATENING there will be consequences if we leave
WE BRITISH DON'T TAKE TO KINDLY TO THREATS..Big mistake

[mainpmf]

Also FRANCE WHO ARE YOU THREATENING there will be consequences if we leave
WE BRITISH DON'T TAKE TO KINDLY TO THREATS..Big mistake

Lol, what do you think?
You think there will be no consequences if you leave EU? Of course there will be. First we'll kindly let the thousands of migrants that want to join your country go. Why should we step in and help you if we're no longer allies?

Then we'll tax any importation from UK. That's the whole point of EU afterall, freedom of exchange.

And you'll be let behind in the scientific research because UK alone has nothing to give to the world. Most of your scientific education is just a big fat joke, which is why UK companies are actually hiring French engineers ^^

[trickyriky]

Also FRANCE WHO ARE YOU THREATENING there will be consequences if we leave
WE BRITISH DON'T TAKE TO KINDLY TO THREATS..Big mistake

Lol, what do you think?
You think there will be no consequences if you leave EU? Of course there will be. First we'll kindly let the thousands of migrants that want to join your country go. Why should we step in and help you if we're no longer allies?

Then we'll tax any importation from UK. That's the whole point of EU afterall, freedom of exchange.

And you'll be let behind in the scientific research because UK alone has nothing to give to the world. Most of your scientific education is just a big fat joke, which is why UK companies are actually hiring French engineers ^^

lol typical scare mongery of a retarded in campaigner, just remember every threat = a 2 way street we could be more difficult with the criminal eu than they can be with us considering we export more to non eu countries and can avoid EU all together if they want to be stupid brainless idiots, as for the migrants by all means open the channel tunnel so we can destroy it once its full......

forgot the battle of agincourt??

[DooMAD]

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th

There's a helpful piece here explaining how we're arriving at those figures.

In practice, leaving doesn't really leave us any better off:

If we left the EU and maintained our support for agriculture, the regions, science and developing countries, we would only save £6.3 billion – £120 million a week. And if we had to pay for privileged access to the EU market on the lines of Norway, we would save next to nothing.

Compared to what we're spanking on Trident, it's a drop in the ocean.  There are better ways to save money instead of torpedoing our economic ties with neighbouring countries.

[mainpmf]

lol typical scare mongery of a retarded in campaigner, just remember every threat = a 2 way street we could be more difficult with the criminal eu than they can be with us considering we export more to non eu countries and can avoid EU all together if they want to be stupid brainless idiots, as for the migrants by all means open the channel tunnel so we can destroy it once its full......

forgot the battle of agincourt??

Difference is we could spread what we sell you to the 25 countries of EU whereas you would have to spread what you previously exported to 24 countries.

And you're seriously going with agincourt? Wanna talk about Jeanne d'Arc?

[yugo23]

There's a helpful piece here explaining how we're arriving at those figures.

In practice, leaving doesn't really leave us any better off:

If we left the EU and maintained our support for agriculture, the regions, science and developing countries, we would only save £6.3 billion – £120 million a week. And if we had to pay for privileged access to the EU market on the lines of Norway, we would save next to nothing.

Compared to what we're spanking on Trident, it's a drop in the ocean.  There are better ways to save money instead of torpedoing our economic ties with neighbouring countries.

Not even 20 millions a day. For a total free market and exchange of knowledge between 25 countries?

Seems like a good deal for me.
But if UK wants out just let them go. They've never been the most innovative country of Europe anyway xD

[trickyriky]

LOL at the dumb opinions of the non uk peeps and the ex pats, anybody in this country working the in campaign = a treasonous traitor to their dead ancestors who gave up there lives to stop us becoming european, a vote to stay = a vote to surrender ww2 70 year after we allegedly won, shame on all you dumb ins

[craked5]

LOL at the dumb opinions of the non uk peeps and the ex pats, anybody in this country working the in campaign = a treasonous traitor to their dead ancestors who gave up there lives to stop us becoming european, a vote to stay = a vote to surrender ww2 70 year after we allegedly won, shame on all you dumb ins

Meh? Where did you see that EU voted laws for you? Being in the EU is not the same thing as creating one country...

Eu is not a federal state!

[saddampbuh]

can a pro-eu person explain why we need to accept free movement of people (not goods), hand over billions every year to poor eastern europeans so they can build roads and airports and agree to share courts and a parliament with 20 whatever it is countries for the privilege of being allowed to trade with them, because there are other free trade treaty areas in the world that don't operate under such conditions

for those europeans who don't get why so many of us want out, we don't hate you, at least most of us don't, but nor do we want to pool our resources with you and see our wealth redistributed to you

[Zeke2345]

Think the argument goes along the lines that it give Scotland more ammo to seperate and North Ireland will most likely fire up again as well. It would isolate for sure as you will no longer have EU agreements to draw from. Would also lessen the voice you have globally as you are not a united front to mass migration.

This is just jabber I read in the Economist though,so its really hard to project how this would break things long term.

[coinzat]

can a pro-eu person explain why we need to accept free movement of people (not goods), hand over billions every year to poor eastern europeans so they can build roads and airports and agree to share courts and a parliament with 20 whatever it is countries for the privilege of being allowed to trade with them, because there are other free trade treaty areas in the world that don't operate under such conditions

for those europeans who don't get why so many of us want out, we don't hate you, at least most of us don't, but nor do we want to pool our resources with you and see our wealth redistributed to you

Firstly, I am not a European citizens so my opinion might be inaccurate. As far as I know, Britain economy does benefit from the free movement as it provide it with free labors who come from east.
Also leaving the EU will not be good for exporting goods from Britain to the rest of EU because there will be taxes

[saddampbuh]

Firstly, I am not a European citizens so my opinion might be inaccurate. As far as I know, Britain economy does benefit from the free movement as it provide it with free labors who come from east.
Also leaving the EU will not be good for exporting goods from Britain to the rest of EU because there will be taxes

mass immigration from poorer countries does not benefit us, it lowers wages and raises rents

the question was why do we need a parliament and courts and all the other nonsense to be able to trade with each other

[trickyriky]

LOL at the dumb opinions of the non uk peeps and the ex pats, anybody in this country working the in campaign = a treasonous traitor to their dead ancestors who gave up there lives to stop us becoming european, a vote to stay = a vote to surrender ww2 70 year after we allegedly won, shame on all you dumb ins

Meh? Where did you see that EU voted laws for you? Being in the EU is not the same thing as creating one country...

Eu is not a federal state!

YET!!!!!

are you for rel eu legislation has been handed down to the uk for 4 decades, want some ISBN numbers of law books for confirmation???

[mainpmf]

Firstly, I am not a European citizens so my opinion might be inaccurate. As far as I know, Britain economy does benefit from the free movement as it provide it with free labors who come from east.
Also leaving the EU will not be good for exporting goods from Britain to the rest of EU because there will be taxes

mass immigration from poorer countries does not benefit us, it lowers wages and raises rents

the question was why do we need a parliament and courts and all the other nonsense to be able to trade with each other

We don't.

It's just this little thing, don't know if you heard of it, it's called WWII. And after that, the European governments decided it might be cool to have something a little bit stronger than a simple free trade zone. Something that makes all the european countries allies. So be stronger together.

Well of course as most countries act like UK and don't give a shit about others, EU doesn't work.
France is the only country which really tried to get things together. We gave out money, ressources, our army.

Meanwhile UK kept renegotiating everything, Luxembourg and Ireland are plain parasites stealers we should nuke, Germany doesn't want to work with anyone, and Eastern Europe countries are plain dictatorship.

Logically EU is a failure. France should leave EU and annex whole Europe. Easy say, easy done.