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They have witheld 10 BTC from me for over 6 months now.   Please see this thread.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2718718.msg27819078#msg27819078

Originally an error made by me which I fully admit. 

But they can still access my funds with minimal effort/cost to them using private keys and return my BTC. 

I have offered to just send me 8 BTC rather than the but still I receive nothing. 

Have opened over 15 support tickets and they have only replied to one of them with an offer to recover from their insurance company but that was over a month ago so it looks like nothing is happening.

My life savings, I just want 8 BTC for the 10 BTC I deposited, i am happy to pay the price of 2 BTC for MY error.

But still nothing. 

I liken it to working in a store, if a customer comes in and leaves their wallet behind and it contains thousands of dollars but it also has their full contact details, does that mean you can lawfully keep all of the money even if you have their contact details?
The RIGHT thing to do would be to contact them and return their money.   Yobit thus far has not done that with me. 

I just want 8 BTC then i will remove negative trust and they will never hear from me again.   

[xtraelv]

It is reasonably well known that Yobit has issues - using them is not without risk.

Support can range from slow to non existent.

The identities of the organisation and identities running it are not known. (Possibly for security and legal reasons.)

Some of the coins listed on there are from dead networks or on the wrong chain after a fork.

Coins like Waves have in the past accused them of selling coins that they don't have.

There are many people that have lost their crypto and have not received it back.

However -

They are located in a country (Russia) that does not really support crypto or exchanges within their legal framework.

Many people successfully have used and continue using their exchange without issue.

In some cases Yobit has assisted foreign law enforcement where there have been thefts.

[JaredKaragen]

*snip*
I just want 8 BTC then i will remove negative trust and they will never hear from me again.    

I feel your pain.


One issue I can see is this which is a clip from thsir rules page:
"All the user's personal data are strongly encrypted and their transfer between the Stock Exchange and users is fulfilled via enforced paths using attack-proof cryptoalgorythms."

This could ambiguously mean that your private keys are based on your login credentials and encrypted... its not just a matter of "copying them over"....     they could have convoluted their system to behave in such a manner to make it difficult to steal info.

The best you can do is a message and a prayer.

FWIW They still pay me for this signature you see below.  And every TX and RX from their wallets that are online and correct I have received thus far.  My affiliation with them stops there.  I use their exchange because my funds are initially deposited there.  I have withdrawn quite a bit over the years from them in BTC resulting from gains in my re-investments.


I hope things turn out better for you.

[gstant1]

*snip*
I just want 8 BTC then i will remove negative trust and they will never hear from me again.    

I feel your pain.


One issue I can see is this which is a clip from thsir rules page:
"All the user's personal data are strongly encrypted and their transfer between the Stock Exchange and users is fulfilled via enforced paths using attack-proof cryptoalgorythms."

This could ambiguously mean that your private keys are based on your login credentials and encrypted... its not just a matter of "copying them over"....     they could have convoluted their system to behave in such a manner to make it difficult to steal info.

The best you can do is a message and a prayer.

FWIW They still pay me for this signature you see below.  And every TX and RX from their wallets that are online and correct I have received thus far.  My affiliation with them stops there.  I use their exchange because my funds are initially deposited there.  I have withdrawn quite a bit over the years from them in BTC resulting from gains in my re-investments.


I hope things turn out better for you.

Hi, thanks I see your point about encryption, but they have my log-in details and therefore would be able to decrypt whatever they encrypted........if they actually did encrypt anything.
Basically they own the private keys to all of their wallets, and my wallet for BCH has not changed addresses, so they have my login, and my address and the TX ID, and could recover the funds but being how they are thus far they have not. 
What you have written is just a theory and it seems likely it was written in their defense.   

Once again, if you make a mistake which can be reversed and the company refuses to help you with this even though, at the time it was just under 100 thousand USD now it is about 60 thousand USD, or 40 thousand USD if they pay me back 8 of the 10 BTC.   They need to step up and do the right thing.

They are making Millions of dollars per year, and do not realize that by allowing such bad PR people will eventually go elsewhere where there is more transparency and honesty,  they are long established and have a chance to do the right thing to protect their reputation or salvage what is left of it.   

[JaredKaragen]

as long as they have the private key;  and that private key is processed the exact same way on the other chain...

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to recover the funds by inputting the address into the other wallet and tx-ing the funds back to where they came from.

I would imagine they are weary of scams when it comes to anything dealing with private keys.

again;  this is assuming many things....  things frankly neither you or I know.   This is why I said prayer...  dealing with a 3rd party in general is always a risk.  Mistakes do not make it any easier.


I am just trying to look at this objectively, from both sides.   Maybe add insight to what could be possible past initial perceptions.

It may be as simple as do what I said above;  but there may be processes and things in place to limit that ability....  I haven't read much about funds being stolen via a hack..... maybe they are super anal about security to the n'th degree.

Trust me;  I've caught them on shady things, and a link to their own twitter post was the evidence they lied to me about a certain "fee" they were being dishonest about during the high tx fee craze days. 

They were charging .0025BTC+/tx, to [in their own words] "speed up the network and make the tx's confirm faster", wherein the Tx I was receiving (along with a multitude of others being sent in that day and age) had .0017 of tx fees total put on the tx. (all those people paid .0025+ each).   When the tx cost went under .0005, they were still charging near .0026, and the tx they were sending, were using a fee of ~.0009

They never answered me, or refunded me.. they did silently change it back to a nominal reasonable fee.   For a blind 3rd party.... this is what I expected.  this is why I don't deposit into them unless its to do a quick sale.

What i've gathered,
Every TX they do;  They keep ~30-80% of Tx fees paid.    ~15-30% if only one person's tx is going through;  much higher percentages if multiple people are withdrawing at once.
This is my first time speaking of this part.   I think I am fairly certain now.   I have received enough Tx from them to deduce its at least 30% of that withdraw fee (BTC).  I'm curious to hear what other people can add up.   For the amount they tx (following the accounts), they have to be making lots of profit clean off the top..... let alone listing fees, wallet repair fees, etc.

[bitgogo123]

Yobit has been around for a long time. It is an old exchange. but I've heard a lot of negative news about Yobit. I'm a little worried. Where do I have some tokens. Are they really not safe?

[gstant1]

I am just trying to look at this objectively, from both sides.   Maybe add insight to what could be possible past initial perceptions.

No offense but it looks to me like you are just trying to muddy the waters with that long post about nothing. 

There is no insight to add further than my initial post I made about what happened and it was and still is entirely truthful and they know it, they have the TX ID's as proof it came from me, they have asked me to enter an amount to be repaid by their "insurance fund".

I have entered 8 BTC so I lose out on 2 BTC, I can live with that, but I will not live with the fact that they are not returning ANYTHING.     

That was coming up to 2 months ago so either they are just toying with me, like a cat with an animal it caught or they just did it to mess with me.  Either way it stinks.

[JaredKaragen]

No offense but it looks to me like you are just trying to muddy the waters with that long post about nothing.  

Long post about nothing:  Say again?  Obviously you did not understand my previous replies.  I challenge you to re-read them and understand the facts and possibilities given.

If adding insight to your assumptions is muddying water;  do you think your assumptions aren't muddying the water themselves?  You are already swimming in a cesspool...... If anything you are exacerbating it by being absent minded about your own negligence; you know;  the genesis of your issue.

So, let me put this from a layman's [3rd party] perspective because you only seem to care about a partial collection of the facts:
"I fucked up royally, I admit that." and  "It's their fault because I sent the wrong funds to the wrong account and they are scammers because of it"; Is what is interpreted about your description of the situation in a layman's perspective.  This is not to put you down, this is what it is perceived as.

The whole time you are kicking and screaming foul for YOUR OWN %$^#@ MISTAKE; calling them the bad guy as a result of you not knowing how to properly double check what you are doing with a 10BTC transaction, and ignoring all warnings about mismatched addresses while going through that actual transfer.  And don't say they can simply "refund your tx"'; because you know ZERO about their system, and thus know not if they can do such a thing or if its possible with their configuration/safety measures.

See how smart you look from JUST that angle.... and realize, I am giving you insight as to what the reasoning(s) could be.    Speculation/assumption about specific things is 100% admitted and stated by me when its being done on my end.   Speculation/assumption is 100% omitted when coming from your end it seems.   You state they can fix it, but do not state how that can be done.  In fact, you can't because you (like everyone else aside from their techs) have no clue how they handle their wallets.  When you can stop placing assumptions about the half of the situation you know NOTHING about;  then Ill try and help you further with your situation and not your behavior.

Now, if they configured their coinboxes to have open unencrypted console access for admins, they could easily extract a private key and put it into another wallet.  You (like I) have no idea about ANY of those details.  Those are called ASSUMPTIONS.

I am being very specific and non-assumptive in my responses to you as much as possible.   I am being curt and upfront.  Any assumptions are clearly described.  I have even cited examples.  Any hurt feelings are purely one-sided.

You have been spoon fed very important information over the past few replies that you seem to not care about.   So if pertinent information is not important to you;  you can stay sitting behind those horse blinders, or  you could instead take measures that actually could go towards fixing your issue, and wait for results.  

If they require a fee to do something with them;  given how they operated to this point it's expected;  almost everything there has always a fee [withdraw, exchange, list coin, repair wallet, etc], so its definitely not a new concept, and let me remind one more time that you picked to use them.  

Why expect to not have to pay a fee to have them provide a service?  [What a purely selfish and idiotic stance to have btw.....]
Do you work for free yourself?  They don't.



*edit*

Here's crypto-bridge's policy if you think yobit is being unfair: Yep... This link.

[gstant1]

No offense but it looks to me like you are just trying to muddy the waters with that long post about nothing.  

Long post about nothing:  Say again?  Obviously you did not understand my previous replies.  I challenge you to re-read them and understand the facts and possibilities given.

If adding insight to your assumptions is muddying water;  do you think your assumptions aren't muddying the water themselves?  You are already swimming in a cesspool...... If anything you are exacerbating it by being absent minded about your own negligence; you know;  the genesis of your issue.

So, let me put this from a layman's [3rd party] perspective because you only seem to care about a partial collection of the facts:
"I fucked up royally, I admit that." and  "It's their fault because I sent the wrong funds to the wrong account and they are scammers because of it"; Is what is interpreted about your description of the situation in a layman's perspective.  This is not to put you down, this is what it is perceived as.

The whole time you are kicking and screaming foul for YOUR OWN %$^#@ MISTAKE; calling them the bad guy as a result of you not knowing how to properly double check what you are doing with a 10BTC transaction, and ignoring all warnings about mismatched addresses while going through that actual transfer.  And don't say they can simply "refund your tx"'; because you know ZERO about their system, and thus know not if they can do such a thing or if its possible with their configuration/safety measures.

See how smart you look from JUST that angle.... and realize, I am giving you insight as to what the reasoning(s) could be.    Speculation/assumption about specific things is 100% admitted and stated by me when its being done on my end.   Speculation/assumption is 100% omitted when coming from your end it seems.   You state they can fix it, but do not state how that can be done.  In fact, you can't because you (like everyone else aside from their techs) have no clue how they handle their wallets.  When you can stop placing assumptions about the half of the situation you know NOTHING about;  then Ill try and help you further with your situation and not your behavior.

Now, if they configured their coinboxes to have open unencrypted console access for admins, they could easily extract a private key and put it into another wallet.  You (like I) have no idea about ANY of those details.  Those are called ASSUMPTIONS.

I am being very specific and non-assumptive in my responses to you as much as possible.   I am being curt and upfront.  Any assumptions are clearly described.  I have even cited examples.  Any hurt feelings are purely one-sided.

You have been spoon fed very important information over the past few replies that you seem to not care about.   So if pertinent information is not important to you;  you can stay sitting behind those horse blinders, or  you could instead take measures that actually could go towards fixing your issue, and wait for results.  

If they require a fee to do something with them;  given how they operated to this point it's expected;  almost everything there has always a fee [withdraw, exchange, list coin, repair wallet, etc], so its definitely not a new concept, and let me remind one more time that you picked to use them.  

Why expect to not have to pay a fee to have them provide a service?  [What a purely selfish and idiotic stance to have btw.....]
Do you work for free yourself?  They don't.



*edit*

Here's crypto-bridge's policy if you think yobit is being unfair: Yep... This link.

Seems I was correct, you are a Yobit ass kisser and that is the only reason you are in this thread and wear their signature. 

Don't give me any of that "I feel your pain" bullshit if really you are just attempting to find reasons for them not to pay me.

Why are you even in this SCAM thread about Yobit if all you are doing here is defending them but at the same time trying to claim you are supportive of those who suffer at their hands, maybe best you fuck off and find another thread to plug your favorite little rip-off exchange. 

Comrade. 

[JaredKaragen]

I search for no reason for their action... whatever it may be.    You must not understand the bounds and conditions of a signature campaign, and more specifically the one I am in with yobit.

They only pay me for the fact the signature is on my account.   No other reasoning or contractual basis aside from that of anything.  Evidence via the Sig campaign thread.  Pretty easy to find, and has historical proof of it is clear and public.

I only speculate on what may be based upon known fact;  but I wasn't speculating.  I was stating facts.  Any speculations were specifically labeled as such.


So go ahead and keep on thinking whatever you want.

[nwo99]

Yobit IS scam
They stole a shitload of coins from me
full story here with screenshot proofs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469296.0

[JaredKaragen]

Yobit IS scam
They stole a shitload of coins from me
full story here with screenshot proofs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469296.0

those "proofs" are only proof that you know how to mismanage your funds and blame someone else for the end result of it.
your constant spam is part of your problem and reason you would get banned from sites like yobit... and here.

as well as the mentality of "I mismanaged my funds, and they stole them from me because I don't know how to send them to the right wallet and I expect them to go out of their way to fix my MAJOR mistake when this is one of the most dangerous types of requests to fulfill".

**snip**
Here's crypto-bridge's policy if you think yobit is being unfair: Yep... This link.

also; reference imagery of an outside 3rd party opinion:
By clicking here

[nwo99]

Yobit IS scam
They stole a shitload of coins from me
full story here with screenshot proofs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469296.0

those "proofs" are only proof that you know how to mismanage your funds and blame someone else for the end result of it.
your constant spam is part of your problem and reason you would get banned from sites like yobit... and here.

as well as the mentality of "I mismanaged my funds, and they stole them from me because I don't know how to send them to the right wallet and I expect them to go out of their way to fix my MAJOR mistake when this is one of the most dangerous types of requests to fulfill".

**snip**
Here's crypto-bridge's policy if you think yobit is being unfair: Yep... This link.

also; reference imagery of an outside 3rd party opinion:
By clicking here

I didn't mismanage anything. I sent the coins to the RIGHT wallet. Your response means you didn't properly read my post.
I sent coins to RIGHT WALLET and the wallet was WORKING AND ONLINE when I sent the coins so your pathetic and stupid attempt to make it seem like it was my fault is not gonna work.

I was only banned there because I exposed their shit in front of everybody and will continue to do it till people are warned against this scam
You are advertising for a dishonest exchange that is stealing people's money and for that you should be ashamed of yourself. If you advertise for scammers then that makes you one of them.

[JaredKaragen]

I didn't mismanage anything. I sent the coins to the RIGHT wallet. Your response means you didn't properly read my post.
I sent coins to RIGHT WALLET and the wallet was WORKING AND ONLINE when I sent the coins so your pathetic and stupid attempt to make it seam like its my fault is not gonna work.

I was only banned there because I exposed their shit in front of everybody and will continue to do it till people are warned against this scam
You are advertising for a dishonest exchange that is stealing people's money and for that you should be ashamed of yourself. If you advertise for scammers then take makes you one of them.

I repeated myself because you seem to take a situation such as the following quote and repeat it as if its the exchange stealing funds.  See the below:

After opening this thread I am watching in horror how many similar cases....
Some stories are real horror
They are holding 10 Bitcoins from someone since January (when 1 BTC= 16k USD) and not giving it to him even till now (June 2018, 1 BTC = 6k USD)

i.e that person LOST 160k USD because he trusted yobit and even if they fix it now (which i doubt would happen) he would still lose 100k USD  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2718718.0

This guy understands his mistake; and another reason why its served as an example to you.   Nobody stole from anybody.  You know nothing if they have access to the coins he sent.   So you have no basis for your use of the word 'holding ...  from someone' and 'not giving it to him'.

You frame it as if they stole the funds and adding it to your shit brigade of a tantrum to try and further your empty case.   Stop it.  Broken logic.  Just stop.




Tell me where on their site that withdraws are guaranteed; and no less in a manner that fit's your schedule at that point in time.
     Provide forensic evidence that your coins are tied up in their stake.    I bet you can't.

You have a recorded Tx in limbo.   Guess what, you aren't the only one....    But I guess you could care less about what funds I and others have waiting in the same manner.  IT is why I have always openly stated "only expect to withdraw BTC"... reference many pages in this thread for that.  Guess what;  it's still in-progress.   Just because you think it should be a way, doesn't mean it is a certain way.    Stop with the assumptions and emotions.  Bring facts to the table.


Take this for perspective:
If you have a 8 year old child screaming in your ear; because you are not dropping everything to go out of your way to sit down and do exactly what they ask; right now; non stop.....   
Are you going to be inclined to give them what they want?
Or would you be inclined to teach them a lesson about their behavior?

I'm trying to help you see the bigger picture.     I understand 100% what you are getting at.  Pitching a fit isn't going to change reality.... it surely hasn't when it mattered the most (taking directly to yobit... you know, the people who can actually help you)

[nwo99]

I repeated myself because you seem to take a situation such as the following quote and repeat it as if its the exchange stealing funds.  See the below:

This is NOT my case. you said that it was MY Fault but that is somebody's else case. Trying to confuse things won't change the facts.

Again, in MY case: I sent the coins to RIGHT WALLET and the wallet was WORKING AND ONLINE

You have a recorded Tx in limbo.   Guess what, you aren't the only one....

I certainly agree with you on this one!  Everyday there is a new member here complaining about stuck transactions. Yobit is screwing everybody, not just me.

 IT is why I have always openly stated "only expect to withdraw BTC".

Are you serious? LOL!! Aren't you ashamed of promoting an exchange where only BTC withdrawals are safe? If they can't fix alt wallets then do they REALLY expect people to take them seriously and trust them with their money?

But wait, wait, coz it gets better

I have a BTC withdrawal stuck there as well!! :



Maybe you should modify your phrase a little: "only expect to withdraw NOTHING from yobit"

I'm trying to help you see the bigger picture.     I understand 100% what you are getting at.  Pitching a fit isn't going to change reality.... it surely hasn't when it mattered the most (taking directly to yobit... you know, the people who can actually help you)

I like to be fair to everybody so I waited for days before I started to make public accusations. I sent many polite support tickets to yobit and they were all ignored. If someone steals your coins they won't care if you are polite or not.

  

 Provide forensic evidence that your coins are tied up in their stake.    I bet you can't.

I bet I can...
Here is my Alexandrite address (the one yobit is withholding) : aDeTcJLEPLFPAmP9oJ1cvZRaQ1SVCAEkZz

You can check it here on the explorer: https://prohashing.com/explorer/Alexandrite/

and you will see with your own eyes the coins generated by stacking. But of course you won't admit anything and you will come back with all kinds of silly arguments to try and save whatever piece of credibility yobit still has because you are on their payroll as you yourself have admitted in this thread...

[JaredKaragen]

 Provide forensic evidence that your coins are tied up in their stake.    I bet you can't.

I bet I can...
Here is my Alexandrite address (the one yobit is withholding) : aDeTcJLEPLFPAmP9oJ1cvZRaQ1SVCAEkZz

You can check it here on the explorer: https://prohashing.com/explorer/Alexandrite/

and you will see with your own eyes the coins generated by stacking. But of course you won't admit anything and you will come back with all kinds of silly arguments to try and save whatever piece of credibility yobit still has because you are on their payroll as you yourself have admitted in this thread...

Forensic evidence is evidence obtained by scientific methods....  Not by saying:  "Look, I sent $ to the bank;  and look, they are getting interest on some of their ledger; see, they are stealing money because they have mine;  and they are still making a profit".


scientifically you expect the layman to magically fathom how many of your coins are tied up in their stake....    Do you understand how the entire process of staking works?  The layman would easily be able to follow a dictation of forensic evidence directly connecting A to B.   You are pointing at A, and saying B is happening because of A.

Fact: Just because I have coins in my wallet;  and am staking with my wallet;  does not mean that all of my coins are tied up in the act of staking.... Is it possible to stake with all?  yes;  but it requires configuration to do so.  Do you have evidence of this?  (can you comprehend the missing info i've been speaking of yet?)

You need to have a good understanding of what happens to your "staked coins" when they are used for the stake....  it seems you do not have a clear picture.



I understand your dismay all in all.  been there.  done that.  it fucking sucks.


I also better understand the concept of putting your funds in a blind 3rd party's control.    Risk is always a factor;  weather you use poloniex, coinbase, or yobit....  risk is always a factor when you hand control to someone else that you don't know; or even don't know at all.  You can't blame them for this.  And you can't blame them for swapping behavior solely for your circumstance.....   this is a historical issue.  Why do you think I have mentioned several times that I havent sent any funds to yobit for years now because of complaints and encounters i've had myself?  for the fun of it?

Now;
You speak as if Im actively going out of my way to promote yobit through my own actions and words.   Your shallow analysis of situations is what I keep poking at....  because it keeps bleeding out.   Tell me when I have personally endorsed them and suggested people use the exchange because they are "great" or whatever else people would do to shill a douchebag group.

Maybe this analogy for your misconception about what a signature campaign is and what it entails may help you:  
If someone random offered you a guaranteed pay to wear their logo on your shirt... and for every time you spoke to someone while wearing that shirt.... with zero other obligations to the agreement;  and you get paid handsomely....    
would you not take it?  

And in my current position, would you throw away a free 0.0003BTC per post?  Especially when comparing this particular campaign to all the others currently available that I could ditch them for and pick up?    
There presently isn't a campaign that comes even remotely close to what they are paying me;  because this payrate extends back to bitcoin ==~$200.

Could you possibly see the banner on my sig as a way for me to get re-compensated for losses to them?  Through the powers of deduction i have determined apparently you do not... not yet.

You think to shallow about most of these situations;  and I can guess that the reasoning is most likely because of your anger at what 'is'.



All I have been doing is feeding analysis, insight, and suggestions that you are clearly overlooking.

Adding more separate circumstances and instances of people making mistakes, or whatever else;  does nothing to further/better your position.  I.E.  saying they are using your coins to stake and make profit;  is an evidence-less based accusation based on conjecture.  
Literally conjecture.

Again, to explain again; in your quote you spoke as if that guy's situation was something it is surely not.   Just like the countless other people whom sent smart-contract coins to yobit's ETH wallets and wonder why nothing ever shows up;  because yobit has stated that they don't accept smart contract coins;  only base ETH tokens....   Yet those people still scream murder because they themselves sent the wrong funds to an incompatible receiver.....  Or they got a piece of malware that drained their accounts, or that they used a 3rd party service to do something and are demanding more BTC to look at the situation.

I am in no way saying they don't operate in a shady manner.   They always have.   But here's the rub;  that's what you picked.   Did you research it before you took the risk?

(BTW, thanks for the conversation;  it helps more and more to pay back what was lost)

[nwo99]

I understand your dismay all in all.  been there.  done that.  it fucking sucks.

Why do you think I have mentioned several times that I havent sent any funds to yobit for years now because of complaints and encounters i've had myself?  for the fun of it?

Could you possibly see the banner on my sig as a way for me to get re-compensated for losses to them?

I am in no way saying they don't operate in a shady manner.   They always have.   But here's the rub;  that's what you picked.   Did you research it before you took the risk?

Everything else aside, I am really glad to get this out of you. That's enough to keep me happy right now.

[gstant1]

Everything else aside, I am really glad to get this out of you. That's enough to keep me happy right now.

Don't believe him for one minute, he is a Yobit shill and indirectly pretends to care, then finds alternative reasons why you have been ripped off in a clear attempt to muddy the waters. 

Everything he says is calculated and designed to let you think he is on your side when really he is nothing but one of their shills. 

Oh and by keeping their banner just to "get back at them" LMFAO, what a joke this guy is, call him on his B.S and he soon backs down because he knows the truth.   

[letsfly]

I dont think yobit is a scam. I was able to trade, deposit and withdraw without issues.