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Author Topic: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments  (Read 774989 times)
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January 03, 2018, 06:10:33 AM
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10 cents? It is $30.00 last time I checked.

That is literally only 30x, which is very achievable for a coin with such high potential as RBX. It isn't even listed on any decent exchanges. Once it gets listed, that's the first skyrocket.

For one thing, Rai should already be higher than Litecoin.
It was actually 20 cents just a month ago, 10 cents, 20 cents whatever.  It's already up more than 100x in a month and you expect another 30x from here in such a short time?  You've completely lost your mind if that is a serious statement.  There is no justifiable reason for it to go that high, nothing has changed from a month ago.  It's not like Amazon or Ebay said yesterday they're only going to use XRB.  An exchange listing isn't that big of a deal in the first place, it's a nice addition but not some game changer.  XRB has done 1000s of btcs in volume on the exchanges it's on now, if people want it there have been plenty of chances to get it.

If XRB is a $1000 in a year I'll give you my entire stack, it's not going to happen because that's living in a fantasy world.  Anyways I'm done talking about, it's a pointless conversation.
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January 03, 2018, 06:13:17 AM
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https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/946175898029395968/video/1

Mainnet Lightning Network paying my actual phone bill with actual Mainnet funds on @bitrefill. Speed: Instant. Fee: Zero. Future: Almost Here.


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January 03, 2018, 06:14:39 AM
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10 cents? It is $30.00 last time I checked.

That is literally only 30x, which is very achievable for a coin with such high potential as RBX. It isn't even listed on any decent exchanges. Once it gets listed, that's the first skyrocket.

For one thing, Rai should already be higher than Litecoin.
It was actually 20 cents just a month ago, 10 cents, 20 cents whatever.  It's already up more than 100x in a month and you expect another 30x from here in such a short time?  You've completely lost your mind if that is a serious statement.  There is no justifiable reason for it to go that high, nothing has changed from a month ago.  It's not like Amazon or Ebay said yesterday they're only going to use XRB.  An exchange listing isn't that big of a deal in the first place, it's a nice addition but not some game changer.  XRB has done 1000s of btcs in volume on the exchanges it's on now, if people want it there have been plenty of chances to get it.

If XRB is a $1000 in a year I'll give you my entire stack, it's not going to happen because that's living in a fantasy world.  Anyways I'm done talking about, it's a pointless conversation.

People have a tendency to underestimate.

"It went up more than 100x in a month" ... "and you expect another 30x" (in a full year).

Do you see why that might not be so unreasonable? The price went up so much because it deserved to. BTW if Amazon/Ebay said that, which is certainly possible in this year, it would pretty much be enough to accomplish $1000.

If XRB is $1000 within a year, I won't be needing anyone to give me money. I'm not a consumerist.

Using crypto to pay for college.
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January 03, 2018, 06:53:24 AM
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XRB withdrawal from Bitgrail to web wallet confirmed working again.
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January 03, 2018, 07:36:55 AM
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The RaiBlocks team is reaching out to @MercatoxCom for updates. They have assured us that funds are safe and we are offering any assistance they need. As soon as we get an update we will pass it along to the community.
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January 03, 2018, 08:05:45 AM
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To all newcomers to Raiblocks

If you are new to Bitcointalk you may not realize how things work around here. Ask yourself this - why would someone who states that Raiblocks is crap/a pump and dump/full of flaws, etc. keep coming on here posting the same thing over and over again even though it has already been addressed numerous times before? Because they care about noobs and want to protect them from the big bad Raiblocks dev stealing their money? LOL, I think not.

There are 3 reasons for these FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) posts:

1) Usually the person posting the FUD is actually holding the coin they are bashing - they make negative posts in an attempt to drive down the price so they can buy more.

2) They may also be holding a competing coin (IOTA for example) and they are angry that another coin has taken the spotlight away from them. You can spot people in this group as they will often have a signature advertising another coin or they will shill it directly in their post.

3) Pure saltiness. This forum has really gone downhill over the years and it is now filled with desperate, salty children who are angry that they missed the boat.

The world is full of toxic people who cannot accomplish anything on their own so they try to make themselves feel better by attacking other people's accomplishments. Ignore them and DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
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January 03, 2018, 08:13:25 AM
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SCAM ALERT- STONE RAIBLOCKS PRIVACY FORK

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2677524.0


Please help to spread awareness so noobs don't get scammed out of their precious XRB.

Dave Wilkinson the scammer is back trying to run a similar scam to Zeth on XRB.


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January 03, 2018, 08:17:49 AM
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Just went through the specs and looks good. Despite the recent nodes issue, it seems to be working better than IOTA. I don't have any IOTA but may very well invest something in XRB.

Just noticed the topic is from early 2016; not sure how I missed this gem for almost 2 years!
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January 03, 2018, 08:22:28 AM
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This coin Will soon famous wait and see

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January 03, 2018, 08:52:20 AM
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Is raiblocks and lighting bitcoin consensus are same?

Raiblocks: https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf
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RaiBlocks achieves consensus via a balance-weighted vote on conflicting transactions. This consensus system provides quicker, more deterministic transactions while still maintaining a strong, decentralized system. RaiBlocks continues this development and has positioned itself as one of the highest performing cryptocurrencies

Lighting Bitcoin: http://lbtc.io/#faq
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LBTC employs the DPoS Consensus Mechanism, which implements digital democracies to offset the negative centralization effects posed by the PoW algorithm. As a result, with voting right in the hands of the token holders, a true decentralization can be achieved. This ensures maximization of shareholders profitability and network efficiency, minimises costs of maintaining cybersecurity and operating the network. By significantly reducing the number of participating verification nodes, LBTC can reach consensus in seconds and boost the transaction speed to really be as FAST as lightning.
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January 03, 2018, 09:16:17 AM
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update from mercatox :
Website will be available in next few hours
Funds are safe
https://twitter.com/MercatoxCom/status/948478973629095936

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January 03, 2018, 10:03:40 AM
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10 cents? It is $30.00 last time I checked.

That is literally only 30x, which is very achievable for a coin with such high potential as RBX. It isn't even listed on any decent exchanges. Once it gets listed, that's the first skyrocket.

For one thing, Rai should already be higher than Litecoin.
It was actually 20 cents just a month ago, 10 cents, 20 cents whatever.  It's already up more than 100x in a month and you expect another 30x from here in such a short time?  You've completely lost your mind if that is a serious statement.  There is no justifiable reason for it to go that high, nothing has changed from a month ago.  It's not like Amazon or Ebay said yesterday they're only going to use XRB.  An exchange listing isn't that big of a deal in the first place, it's a nice addition but not some game changer.  XRB has done 1000s of btcs in volume on the exchanges it's on now, if people want it there have been plenty of chances to get it.

If XRB is a $1000 in a year I'll give you my entire stack, it's not going to happen because that's living in a fantasy world.  Anyways I'm done talking about, it's a pointless conversation.

People have a tendency to underestimate.

"It went up more than 100x in a month" ... "and you expect another 30x" (in a full year).

Do you see why that might not be so unreasonable? The price went up so much because it deserved to. BTW if Amazon/Ebay said that, which is certainly possible in this year, it would pretty much be enough to accomplish $1000.

If XRB is $1000 within a year, I won't be needing anyone to give me money. I'm not a consumerist.

I won't here tell you anything about this tech because I am fairly new, thing is that large sums of money is being thrown away at crypto table because everyone is expecting return. Haven't there been any recent news about binance adding it it would take a cuple of years before I even stumbled upon RaiBlocks. Since this market is pure speculation price can increase till one point untill some people start to dump it, I am not saying this could be bad investment if you are ready to hold long term.

Can you give good arguments/resources for ebay and Amazon? The only way why these giants will ever include cryptocurrency as means of payment would be simply to increase their salles and they will most likley turn it back to fiat as most bussinesses do today with bitcoin and others. However if they conclude that they won't get any mass return since many people use cryptocurrency to gamble and flip money, it is highly unlikley that they will include cryptocurrency as of today. If they wanted to they could do it in 2017 or even way back although market is growing by day since recent bitcoin spike.
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January 03, 2018, 10:12:58 AM
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https://twitter.com/BitGrail/status/948495062081658880

XRB deposits and withdrawals available.
Pending ones should be completed (in a while).
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January 03, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
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Why RaiBlocks is not secure.

In this article I will try to explain why RaiBlocks is not secure and why its technology is any better neither comparable than the Bitcoin technology.

1. Decentralized payments
Decentralized payment networks are, in opposite of centralized payment network like banks, a way to secure your money without having the risk that a central authority could steal your money or manipulate the money in the market. Decentralized payment networks use asymmetric cryptography to ensure that you are the only one who can spend your money.
When you create a cryptocurrency wallet you are given a public key and a private key. The public key allows other people to send you money, while the private key allows you to spend them.  

But how other users know how many money do you have?
To accomplish this, every user of a decentralized payment network must download the entire transaction database which is replicated on the entire network. When you send a payment over the network, it is received by all the users connected on the network allowing them to know your updated wallet balance and allowing them to discard that payment if you don’t own enough funds.

2. Double Spending
The main problem that afflicts decentralized payment networks is double spending: the ability of an user to spend his money multiple times. In the real world, when you pay someone you give him the real cash. In a centralized payment network, like VISA, the central database is updated every time you make a payment, and they will not allow you to spend more money than your balance.
In a decentralized payment network what happens if you send the same amount of money on two users of the network in the same time? Since their database takes time to update for a small amount of time they both will receive the payment and accept it. In a later moment, when the network tells them that you double spent your money, they will cancel the payment, this is possible because every payment is broadcasted to the entire network, not only the receiver.
Without any other security layer, if a malicious user double spends his money and succeeds to block a payment receiver to know that he sent the same money to someone else (or even better, to another wallet of his own), the payment receiver will accept the payment and ship the good. This is so bad, since even a network connection problem could temporarily lead a payment receiver to undetect double spendings.

3. The Bitcoin Solution
To solve this problem, Bitcoin relays on the fact that after you receive a payment you need to wait a confirmation block, the confirmation block tells you that the payment you have received has been accepted by the entire network and you are allowed to spend it. To create a confirmation block, the miners create a list of all the pending unconfirmed transactions and solve a very difficult mathematical puzzle. The miner who solves the puzzle first, sends the block he found with all the list of confirmed transaction and the solved puzzle to the network, the users of the network will check if the puzzle solution is valid and then reward him with some free coins plus the sum of all the payment fees of each transaction in the block. The miners must create a valid list of payments to be accepted by the network, so double spend attempts are just discarded.

In Bitcoin an attacker,  to make a succesful double spending, should not just stop you from receiving a double spend attempt message, but he should also solve the puzzle to create a confirmation block in a reasonable time frame. Currently solving that puzzle with a single computer would take years; at writing time to solve that puzzle a network of thousands dedicated hardware is used, an attacker would require a billionaire investment to replicate that network. Moreover, it would not only need to create one confirmation block but six of them (6 confirmation blocks are required in the Bitcoin network to trust a payment).

Critics of Bitcoin say that all the computation power used to make the Bitcoin network secure is just a waste of energy because there are other reliable and better technologies. Is that true?

4. What is RaiBlocks?
RaiBlocks is a crypto currency that advertises itself as a fast, fee-less and secure currency, unlikely Bitcoin which is currently slow and high-fee (usually requires 1 hour to a full payment confirmation).
But the key point is that Bitcoin has been made that way to guarantee his users a certain amount of security to prevent double spendings. 
 
RaiBlocks completely ignores the Bitcoin technology and relies on a special version of the Proof Of Stake concept.
When you receive a payment in the RaiBlocks network you have to wait a certain amount of time to be sure that a double spending has not been attempted (and remember the first problem, if an attacker stops you from receiving the double spend you would never know!)
When a double spent is detected, the RaiBlocks network starts a vote. Every peer connected to the network vote to accept the payment A or payment B; every user vote is weighted with the amount of his balance. Usually each peer votes for the first transaction he receives. The transaction which the sum of votes reaches the 51% of online amount of currency wins. The winning transaction is accepted by the network and the other one is discarded. (Reference https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation)

The payment receiver, if his network has not been compromised, will then know if he can trust the payment or not, and will ship the good accordingly. This system leads to an unsolvable problem.

5. The Man in the Middle attack.

If an attacker succeeds to put himself between a merchant and the RaiBlocks network he can just filter the double spending payment packets, and the merchant will never know that he is receiving a double spending. The Raiblocks network will discard that payment while the merchant will accept it.

https://s18.postimg.org/7pnm6yweh/doublespend.png

6. Solutions proposed by the RaiBlocks team

a) The merchant should ask a vote for each payment he receives and wait for the confirmation. 
The problem is that the attacker could manipulate the vote by telling the merchant that only his peers are connected to the network thus he will win the vote by filtering only his votes. Plus, asking a vote for each payment would cause a huge increment of bandwidth usage that many peers could not handle.

b) The merchant should have a remote node verifying the payment.
The attacker could just attack that network too.

c) The merchant should ask the RaiBlocks.net website if the payment has been accepted.
The attacker can hack the RaiBlocks.net website. Also if you have to rely on a website you can no longer consider RaiBlocks a decentralized network.

Other solutions

1) A payment to be accepted should require a vote with a minimum weight quorum.
It's difficult to establish a correct quorum, and if that quorum is offline no payments will be processed.

2) A payment need to be accepted by some trusted representatives.
This will stop the network on being decentralized. Also, if those representatives are offline the payments are not processed.

7. Why Bitcoin is not vulnerable to this type of attack
Simply because an attacker, to be trusted by a merchant, would require to solve a very difficult puzzle for six times. An attacker cannot alter the difficulty of that puzzle.

8. Other observations

a) RaiBlocks is just Bitcoins without the Bitcoin securing algorithm. The creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, describes the double spending problem in the original Bitcoin paper: https://Bitcoin.org/Bitcoin.pdf. The developer of RaiBlocks just thinks to solve the problem by ignoring the problem.

b) The official representatives of the RaiBlocks network own more than 52% of total voting weight, allowing the developer to manipulate every vote on his will.
Source: https://dev.RaiBlocks.net/page/representatives.php


9. References
https://RaiBlocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf
https://github.com/clemahieu/RaiBlocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation

Thanks for bringing this to notice. But have a look at the whitepaper again. (https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper__English.pdf)

Look closer at Page 4. They have considered double spending attack. And in that case two new blocks/transactions have same predecessor. So, here comes the voting. After all, the send block can be redeemed only once.  Smiley Smiley
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January 03, 2018, 10:49:53 AM
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https://twitter.com/BitGrail/status/948495062081658880

XRB deposits and withdrawals available.
Pending ones should be completed (in a while).

that's good news friends, thank you
very helpful at all
how the future progress of this token do you think this is good

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January 03, 2018, 11:40:01 AM
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Daily update of data.ldb (save Seed, check Guide & Readme if you are going to use it to speed up 1st wallet sync!)
Now for version 9.0!
https://yadi.sk/d/fcZgyES73Jzj5T
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sP1z9S011f1W_0nK1KJ-UCJbjaNmk8GQ?usp=sharing

RaiBlocks_Win64_2018_01_03_10.7z (for version 9.0)   
SHA1: 7DA0335A684686303440620814B6B879328E3B54       
SHA256: AF3616CAF28222CA6195E3F3085909F98ECCA19D0AB6EBD0AC00976F8516B6C3   
     
RaiBlocks_Linux64_2018_01_03_10.7z (for version 9.0)   
SHA1: DBFA4E1EBBAE2E33361BBB17910A53F85DE251E1     
SHA256: BF95A0C0FA4B51085AD21B73DC9CF58D0713066D792C20A6723861A27B669B82     
     
Version_8_0_RaiBlocks_Win64_2018_01_03_10.7z (for version 8.0)   
SHA1: 2E8EDFBEA2CAAE2BE720F6739E8A1654B577F4C2       
SHA256: CD342A9B3A123E8C9C3986F0D1AFD6D5C4CB28CFE8FD38C02EFD3D3ECCAD9980     

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January 03, 2018, 12:48:28 PM
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The speculation around the coin has raised a lot the interest, its due to binance coin of the month we are disputing those listing, if raiblocks will get listed it will be exposed to several whales wich can make the coin to reach any value, as some of them will search about as well will buy and test it, the thing is we still have 3 more days before the vote ends and well i dont know wich damage it may cause if we loose into the coin listing, but 2018 raiblocks has a lot things coming.
Light wallet is being done this year, a new website is being done, a lot improvements are coming into raiblocks, soo even if we wont win the coin of the month at binance im pretty sure once light wallet released it will allow us to reach more exchanges.

If you liked the project and believe or wanna to support go vote:(cost is 0,10 bnb)
https://www.binance.com/vote.html
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January 03, 2018, 01:02:40 PM
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https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/946175898029395968/video/1

Mainnet Lightning Network paying my actual phone bill with actual Mainnet funds on @bitrefill. Speed: Instant. Fee: Zero. Future: Almost Here.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/ktorpey/2017/12/28/will-bitcoins-lightning-network-kill-off-altcoins-focused-on-cheap-transactions/#1518b5da7dab

You still have to pay fee to open channels.

XRB has no fee at all.
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January 03, 2018, 01:09:48 PM
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Lol, do you seriously believe the price is gonna pump forever? It's clear from sell book someone is manipulating everything.

LOL another newbie account made to bash XRB.
ok...
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January 03, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
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To all newcomers to Raiblocks

If you are new to Bitcointalk you may not realize how things work around here. Ask yourself this - why would someone who states that Raiblocks is crap/a pump and dump/full of flaws, etc. keep coming on here posting the same thing over and over again even though it has already been addressed numerous times before? Because they care about noobs and want to protect them from the big bad Raiblocks dev stealing their money? LOL, I think not.

There are 3 reasons for these FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) posts:

1) Usually the person posting the FUD is actually holding the coin they are bashing - they make negative posts in an attempt to drive down the price so they can buy more.

2) They may also be holding a competing coin (IOTA for example) and they are angry that another coin has taken the spotlight away from them. You can spot people in this group as they will often have a signature advertising another coin or they will shill it directly in their post.

3) Pure saltiness. This forum has really gone downhill over the years and it is now filled with desperate, salty children who are angry that they missed the boat.

The world is full of toxic people who cannot accomplish anything on their own so they try to make themselves feel better by attacking other people's accomplishments. Ignore them and DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
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