What do you think about 9/11 mystery?

[Spendulus]

Why do people always have to have some conspiracy theories about terrible happenings? Is it because they can't face the fact that something this horrible can happen or is this something else?

Why does the government/police always have to have conspiracy theories about criminal activity? Unless of course it´s a question of a single perpetrator, lone gunman that sort of thing.

Well put.  Few people believe the Warren report "magic bullet" theory.  But to stretch that to a mass conspiracy with governments involved makes no sense.

9/11 is understood to have been a conspiracy carried out by Islamic terrorists, followers of Sayyid Qutb's brand of Wahhibi fundamentalism.

[galdur]

Why do people always have to have some conspiracy theories about terrible happenings? Is it because they can't face the fact that something this horrible can happen or is this something else?

Why does the government/police always have to have conspiracy theories about criminal activity? Unless of course it´s a question of a single perpetrator, lone gunman that sort of thing.

Well put.  Few people believe the Warren report "magic bullet" theory.  But to stretch that to a mass conspiracy with governments involved makes no sense.

9/11 is understood to have been a conspiracy carried out by Islamic terrorists, followers of Sayyid Qutb's brand of Wahhibi fundamentalism.

Well, I think the government´s conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the dumbest one of them all which of course is understandable because everything in that theory had to be signed off by ALL members of the government appointed commission tasked with preparing that theory.

[galdur]

In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."


With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.


We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

[Spendulus]

Why do people always have to have some conspiracy theories about terrible happenings? Is it because they can't face the fact that something this horrible can happen or is this something else?

Why does the government/police always have to have conspiracy theories about criminal activity? Unless of course it´s a question of a single perpetrator, lone gunman that sort of thing.

Well put.  Few people believe the Warren report "magic bullet" theory.  But to stretch that to a mass conspiracy with governments involved makes no sense.

9/11 is understood to have been a conspiracy carried out by Islamic terrorists, followers of Sayyid Qutb's brand of Wahhibi fundamentalism.

Well, I think the government´s conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the dumbest one of them all which of course is understandable because everything in that theory had to be signed off by ALL members of the government appointed commission tasked with preparing that theory.

Any such report would contain SOME covering up to protect classified sources.  Read that: To prevent spies from getting killed.  That's the way it is.  Some of Farmer's stuff is crazy talk.  I'll go over one such thing, the crap about NORAD.  Only on the subject of 911 do people totally completely ignorant about aircraft and aviation talk with such certain knowledge.  Read that:  Total bullshit artists, and poor ones at that.

Here is wikipedia on the 911 norad issue:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
Actions taken by the hijackers on 9/11 was to turn off or disable each of the four aircraft's on board transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplane's tail number, altitude, and speed, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD’s radar screens, making them very difficult to track.[72][66]

On 9/11, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD.[73] A passenger airline had not been hijacked in the U.S. since 1979.[74] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Only one civilian plane—a chartered Learjet 35 with golfer Payne Stewart and five others on board—was intercepted by NORAD over North America in the decade prior to 9/11, which took one hour and 19 minutes.[75]

Rules in effect at that time, and on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," says FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. After 9/11, the FAA and NORAD increased cooperation. They set up hotlines between command centers while NORAD increased its fighter coverage and installed radar to watch airspace over the continent.[2]

The longest warning NORAD received of the hijackings was some eight minutes for American Airlines Flight 11, the first flight hijacked. The FAA alerted NORAD to the hijacked Flight 175 at just about the same time it was crashing into the World Trade Center's South Tower. The FAA notified NORAD of the missing – not hijacked – Flight 77 three minutes before it struck the Pentagon. NORAD received no warning of the hijack of United Flight 93 until three minutes after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.[76]

[galdur]

There are countless holes in the government´s conspiracy theory. But trying to convince those who for some reason believe the government (presumably because of its long standing record of integrity and truthfulness as perceived by the believers) is simply hopeless. It´s blind faith. Not wasting more time on it for now.

[Zeke2345]

I am more interested in what was implemented after 9/11 then if it was not what it seemed.
One swoop and we lost a lot of liberty and will never get it back with the current world government.
Always roll back and recall how many people instantly fell in line with the stripping of rights.
The natural order of doing what the group is doing,really was on full display the few years after.

Read something interesting relating the amount of engineers based on percentages that are drawn to terrrorism.
Its a interesting reflection on the mindset that is attracted to the mentality. I know thats a bit off topic but it came to mind as I was typing.

If 9/11 happened the way we where told is really not a issue now,its what we do from here on in.

[Spendulus]

I am more interested in what was implemented after 9/11 then if it was not what it seemed.
One swoop and we lost a lot of liberty and will never get it back with the current world government.
Always roll back and recall how many people instantly fell in line with the stripping of rights.
The natural order of doing what the group is doing,really was on full display the few years after.

Read something interesting relating the amount of engineers based on percentages that are drawn to terrrorism.
Its a interesting reflection on the mindset that is attracted to the mentality. I know thats a bit off topic but it came to mind as I was typing.

If 9/11 happened the way we where told is really not a issue now,its what we do from here on in.

Never let a good crisis go to waste, they say.

[BADecker]

There are countless holes in the government´s conspiracy theory. But trying to convince those who for some reason believe the government (presumably because of its long standing record of integrity and truthfulness as perceived by the believers) is simply hopeless. It´s blind faith. Not wasting more time on it for now.

I find that people who have been in the military, especially in the wars, like Nam and the first Iraq, but even the few remaining from WWII and Korea... they simply will not accept the idea of government doing it.

[Spendulus]

There are countless holes in the government´s conspiracy theory. But trying to convince those who for some reason believe the government (presumably because of its long standing record of integrity and truthfulness as perceived by the believers) is simply hopeless. It´s blind faith. Not wasting more time on it for now.

I find that people who have been in the military, especially in the wars, like Nam and the first Iraq, but even the few remaining from WWII and Korea... they simply will not accept the idea of government doing it.

A rather interesting observation, since not a few of them think war and their part in it was a mistake.

If the US government found it desirable to create a false flag scenario to justify invading Afganistan, lot of easier ways to do it, on foreign soil too, than what happened on 9/11.

What I find amusing about the 911 conspiracy theories is the way they keep asking questions but can't answer them.

"But there must be something..."

"It just seems so mysterios..."

"Oh, the EVIL Jewwwwwwsssss..."

On and on ad nauseum.

I repeat my invitation, go ahead, come up with a plausible theory that is in accordance with evidence, physics and chemistry.  Because so far it has not been done.

[BADecker]

There are countless holes in the government´s conspiracy theory. But trying to convince those who for some reason believe the government (presumably because of its long standing record of integrity and truthfulness as perceived by the believers) is simply hopeless. It´s blind faith. Not wasting more time on it for now.

I find that people who have been in the military, especially in the wars, like Nam and the first Iraq, but even the few remaining from WWII and Korea... they simply will not accept the idea of government doing it.

A rather interesting observation, since not a few of them think war and their part in it was a mistake.

If the US government found it desirable to create a false flag scenario to justify invading Afganistan, lot of easier ways to do it, on foreign soil too, than what happened on 9/11.

What I find amusing about the 911 conspiracy theories is the way they keep asking questions but can't answer them.

"But there must be something..."

"It just seems so mysterios..."

"Oh, the EVIL Jewwwwwwsssss..."

On and on ad nauseum.

I repeat my invitation, go ahead, come up with a plausible theory that is in accordance with evidence, physics and chemistry.  Because so far it has not been done.

That's because most of the popular, formal media won't tell it like it is... that the official 9/11 story is a conspiracy as well. This makes the whole formal story to be much closer to a lie, simply because they won't admit the truth, that they don't have the correct story.

Like you say, so far it has not been done. But especially with the official story.

[mikehersh2]

I do not think this was an inside job by our own government. With mysteries there always comes conspiracy theories, and this one just happened to become more popular than any other.

[BADecker]

I do not think this was an inside job by our own government. With mysteries there always comes conspiracy theories, and this one just happened to become more popular than any other.

The term "the government" means many things to many people. If the term means that government did it by official, formal policy, then NO. The government under that understanding did not do it (9/11).

If government means "some government people behind the scenes, using some of their governmental power," then yes, definitely... government did it.

[Spendulus]

I do not think this was an inside job by our own government. With mysteries there always comes conspiracy theories, and this one just happened to become more popular than any other.

The term "the government" means many things to many people. If the term means that government did it by official, formal policy, then NO. The government under that understanding did not do it (9/11).

If government means "some government people behind the scenes, using some of their governmental power," then yes, definitely... government did it.

If xxx means yyy then yes, blah blah blah.  Assertions without proof can be made all day long and are not only ridiculous but boring...

[BADecker]

I do not think this was an inside job by our own government. With mysteries there always comes conspiracy theories, and this one just happened to become more popular than any other.

The term "the government" means many things to many people. If the term means that government did it by official, formal policy, then NO. The government under that understanding did not do it (9/11).

If government means "some government people behind the scenes, using some of their governmental power," then yes, definitely... government did it.

If xxx means yyy then yes, blah blah blah.  Assertions without proof can be made all day long and are not only ridiculous but boring...

Even if NOBODY in government had a formal hand in it, or formal knowledge of it, in any way, they still did it by not protecting the people.

The fact that the official story has more holes in it than the proverbial Swiss cheese, and that the people in government whose responsibility it is to protect the people of the nation, would rather cover up investigations than dig further into them (airplane crashes, size for size, are always investigated thoroughly... except this one), proves by implication that they are behind it.

Some air crashes take years to figure out what happened. It isn't in any realm of logic to sweep the 9/11 thing under the rug in the ways that government did and does. By implication alone this incriminates them.

[Spendulus]

I do not think this was an inside job by our own government. With mysteries there always comes conspiracy theories, and this one just happened to become more popular than any other.

The term "the government" means many things to many people. If the term means that government did it by official, formal policy, then NO. The government under that understanding did not do it (9/11).

If government means "some government people behind the scenes, using some of their governmental power," then yes, definitely... government did it.

If xxx means yyy then yes, blah blah blah.  Assertions without proof can be made all day long and are not only ridiculous but boring...

Even if NOBODY in government had a formal hand in it, or formal knowledge of it, in any way, they still did it by not protecting the people.
....

Got it.  So they're guilty even if they are not guilty.

Brilliant.

[WhatTheGox]

More than 15 years passed after 9/11 disaster.
After 9/11 Coalition Forces occupied Afghanistan and Iraq. More than 1,5 million people died. Iraq regime collapsed with Saddam's dicta.
Coalition Forces encashed even every single bullet's price from Iraqi Puppet Government.
If we think today,  who get benefit from 9/11 and who lost, i leave it to your imagination and mind.
It was a terrorist attack?
There are many suspicious points
What about flight number 11, 175 and number 73 passengers hit Pentagon?
There are so many questions
Are you satisfied for explanations?
Actually what, happened there?

Initiated by elites but then they didn't control the situation entirely which is fine they didn't need to at that point.  All you have to do is fund a few crazy people and the rest sorts itself out right.

[RobFre]

I think 9/11 was a terrorist attack, nothing more. Usually I don't have faith in conspiracy theories.

[Hganz11]

This 9/11 conspiracy/mystery theory people just use when they can't understand why this tragedy occured so I believe that there is no conspiracy what so ever

[BADecker]

The term "conspiracy theory" is used in a wrong way. Whenever there are two or more people doing something in secret, there is a conspiracy. If it is not known what or how they are conspiriing, people might make theories about it.

Government and the media have twisted the minds of people to understand "conspiracy" as a bad thing. This twisting is to make people fear stuff. Fearful people are easier to control. Since government and the media have conspired to make people fearful, they are the conspiracy.

The official government story regarding 9/11 is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories ever.

[galdur]

The term "conspiracy theory" is used in a wrong way. Whenever there are two or more people doing something in secret, there is a conspiracy. If it is not known what or how they are conspiriing, people might make theories about it.

Government and the media have twisted the minds of people to understand "conspiracy" as a bad thing. This twisting is to make people fear stuff. Fearful people are easier to control. Since government and the media have conspired to make people fearful, they are the conspiracy.

The official government story regarding 9/11 is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories ever.

Idiocracy is really here. It´s very evident reading this thread that some people, god knows how many in the population at large, don´t understand at all what the concept conspiracy means.