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[m33]

Waves team , are you serious . You want to hire devs , pm me .

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[Ziskinberg]

I am kinda surprised that no one knew this was a scam from the get-go...or maybe you knew it was a scam and just wanted to go along for the pump n dump /get rich quick ride. IMO that's a level of risk I'm not interested in because I know that:

1. The vast majority of crowdsales fail.
2. The vast majority often don't survive past the first dump
3. The vast majority of scams don't go beyond a first homepage.
4. And so on and so on.

This coin met all the suspicious criteria plus tax. The only funny bit was that they showed their faces, but that means nothing to me as how many people have shown their faces and still left people holding the bag? What matters to me is community reputation and results, and even that doesn't guarantee anything. They claimed they were partners with Merkle, and other 'name brands' but only linked to a badly written article that was part of the 'hype'. And then they mysteriously cease communication after the crowdsale and people with complaints can't reach them? They climbed ranks on coinmarketcap and that has given them 'some' legitimacy, but we know the truth.

It's for this reason why I rarely 'angel invest' in crowdsales, and prefer to simply watch from the sidelines. Some of them have promise and actual reputation....In very rare cases will I invest in a crowdsale or ICOs, (1) If I truly believe in the viability of it's future and see it as useful to me and others (in which case it has to meet other criteria for me to jump in). (2) I believe that the hype being generated will carry it away such that it will be pump n dumped quickly so I can enter and exit quickly + the backing of 'name brand' people which increases the potential for reward. (i.e in such a case it doesn't matter if it's a pump n dump because I myself plan to dump it at the first exit).

I don't tend to enjoy being the 'first user' of something since price always goes down after initial launch. But you can still get your money back...

There's a lot going in your favor. People still believe in the coin, the currency is at a steady price, and it can stay that way if you guys don't panic. Realize that there is no bad news about this coin floating around outside of facebook comments and this forum, and it only takes some good news to bring it up. Go write a paper about why you believe Waves will be a great coin and submit it.

Right now because the coins are so cheap and because it cost relatively nothing to participate, there are bound to be whales who own the coin and will pump then dump, so be patient and exit then. If the coin is truly valuable and not a scam then it'll survive the pump and eventually bounce back from the dump.

I myself have a love for amassing cheap coins during panics and selling back to people when it goes up IF the coin has a pattern/history to compare it against.... Try to be more confident about your choices and if you really want a profit now. Work together and whale the prices. That's the best I can tell you otherwise, lots of great suggestions about holding. And if the price remains steady it could hedge against any volatility in bitcoin.

Great write-up. I couldn't agree more. It's just that some who invested in ICOs profit right after selling like those who participated in Lisk so they thought it will be the same for every ICOs and see it as an opportunity to double or even triple their money in a few months time. Well, at least this failure made everyone realize that not all ICOs are the same.

I've noticed that.  I don't think many people realize that all ICOs are is a donation attached with a promise. "If you invest in my coin and IF we profit from it, you can get a reward." It's a big 'if' an unknown, with no guarantees. They don't even realize that the market sets the price... The reward itself IMO is just a promise like a rebate or receipt. Typically ICOs are launched by start-ups who haven't done much to raise their own capital, offer nothing of value in the moment, have no previous works to show for and are crowdfunding to say, "we have not yet created anything, haven't even raised much of our own money, but give us money and we can do just that."

Very rarely do they have previous works and developments to back up their claim, and when they do very rarely do people check to see how that worked out for them and what they did.

How is it that when running a kickstarter people need to see something tangible to see how something works, but here in the cryptocommunity by majority we just take their word for it using the existence of a coin on an exchange as evidence that it's the real deal?

This works this way in all walks of life. How many people buy games pre-sale before launch, and then watch as that game shoots down in price shortly after launch or a year later? Combine this with the fact that most ICOs are start-ups and that 90% of start-ups actually fail.

It's interesting how many people will give money to someone they haven't met just because they have a nice webpage a picture and give you a I.O.U coin, and then get upset because that I.O.U/ICO didn't do what they wanted it to do after launch for whatever reason.

Most people who are just 'gambling' and don't have a strategy or plan that works (other than closing their eyes and throwing a dart hoping it hits something) are better off looking at existing coins that are in the accumulation phase and have an obvious pattern, and then purchasing those than they are taking a thoughtless gamble on ICOs. There are so many coins right now that spend more time accumulating than they do in distribution and have an obvious pattern. The payouts can be just as good with less risk if people learn how to read the charts and question/scrutinize the developers.

I see people make these mistakes and I cringe. Sometimes I want to write a book just to keep people from making the same mistakes and thinking smart. But maybe their mistakes will someday pay off for them, better than putting money into a lottery I suppose

I personally trade by the philosophy that trading bitcoin etc. doesn't have to be a big gamble, loss can be minimized and mitigated. But people don't think and sometimes they get lucky, and sometimes they don't. If they have money to lose they just throw it in a pot and hope the developer doesn't light a match. There are ways to mitigate the risk so that the loss is negligible but that requires thought. The biggest asset people can have is educating oneself and completely tearing apart and dissecting any company or business that asks for your money with critical questions and a request for tangible proof.

If those questions aren't answered properly or can't be answered move onto the next thing.

At the end of the day there will always be opportunities, patience is a virtue. What goes up, always goes down, and history repeats itself.

Maxxed out my word count for the day.

-The End-

Bravo

This is the right statement, I like people who post like this so that those who invested just because they expect they can make profit in a short period of time or basically after the ICO is over will realize that the real value is not today, it is on the future and you need to hold your waves.

[oneyesoneno]

No, my ico page still has them stuck just sitting there?

I have added a withdraw address and confirmed but no love?

Come on sasha35625 please get it sorted, coins have been trading for a week now?

try to double check ur address on
http://wavesexplorer.com/

see if it is confirm or not... or else u can direct message Sasha on slack.
 

[electronicash]

This is the right statement, I like people who post like this so that those who invested just because they expect they can make profit in a short period of time or basically after the ICO is over will realize that the real value is not today, it is on the future and you need to hold your waves.

The problem is that this coin won't gonna have future if these dumpers get to dump every time the value rises even for just cents.
so they'd be squeezing every pennies from the devs. thus probably the reason why the DEV is currently buying waves back to the very minimum price just so they can set up the buy back wall that these dumpers can't break.

[poornamelessme]

The problem is that this coin won't gonna have future if these dumpers get to dump every time the value rises even for just cents.
so they'd be squeezing every pennies from the devs. thus probably the reason why the DEV is currently buying waves back to the very minimum price just so they can set up the buy back wall that these dumpers can't break.

I honestly think the devs plan all along was for the coin to get dumped to smithereens. That's why Bittrex makes sense.

Dump, chomp up cheap coins, get listed on larger exchange, then cash out. Timing of any walls would correspond to Polo, or similar news... but don't think that will happen for a while yet. The question is what is the bottom.

The buy back wall at 30K was pulled, not broken by the way.

[electronicash]

The problem is that this coin won't gonna have future if these dumpers get to dump every time the value rises even for just cents.
so they'd be squeezing every pennies from the devs. thus probably the reason why the DEV is currently buying waves back to the very minimum price just so they can set up the buy back wall that these dumpers can't break.

I honestly think the devs plan all along was for the coin to get dumped to smithereens. That's why Bittrex makes sense.

Dump, chomp up cheap coins, get listed on larger exchange, then cash out. Timing of any walls would correspond to Polo, or similar news... but don't think that will happen for a while yet. The question is what is the bottom.

The buy back wall at 30K was pulled, not broken by the way.

30K may not just be the minimum they are looking. if dumpers get to dump it all I say if I'm part of the dev team i would love to buy all if its worth just 1k maybe even less.
And if that ain't happen, they'll leave and create another coin for all the dev cares. They are on the win-win side.

[poornamelessme]

30K may not just be the minimum they are looking. if dumpers get to dump it all I say if I'm part of the dev team i would love to buy all if its worth just 1k maybe even less.
And if that ain't happen, we'll leave and create another coin for all the dev cares. They are on the win-win side.

Oh, I definitely agree with that. Just mentioning it was pulled in regard to your comment that the devs would make a buy back wall that dumpers can't break. If they wanted to, they could have already done that. But since they haven't, and in fact went out of their way not to do that... yeah, their min will be less than 30K.

And that makes sense really. With a pump-dump coin, it's a lot easier to create a dump (for argument's sake, let's say 10K) and then get back to 30K on a new exchange listing ... 3x profit. The alternative is going from 30K to 90K on a coin that hasn't been doing so well... that way is harder.

I'm also not saying that will happen, as who knows... don't want to get accused of FUD. Just an observation.

[usukan]

the buy back wall was EATEN in one mouthful

The problem is that this coin won't gonna have future if these dumpers get to dump every time the value rises even for just cents.
so they'd be squeezing every pennies from the devs. thus probably the reason why the DEV is currently buying waves back to the very minimum price just so they can set up the buy back wall that these dumpers can't break.

I honestly think the devs plan all along was for the coin to get dumped to smithereens. That's why Bittrex makes sense.

Dump, chomp up cheap coins, get listed on larger exchange, then cash out. Timing of any walls would correspond to Polo, or similar news... but don't think that will happen for a while yet. The question is what is the bottom.

The buy back wall at 30K was pulled, not broken by the way.

[poornamelessme]

the buy back wall was EATEN in one mouthful

I stand corrected then. One moment it was there, next it was gone. I assumed it was pulled, as a ton of btc was still remaining on that wall.


Although whales selling to themselves isn't exactly something new here, so we don't really know if it was the equivalent to being pulled or eaten.

[electronicash]

the buy back wall was EATEN in one mouthful

The problem is that this coin won't gonna have future if these dumpers get to dump every time the value rises even for just cents.
so they'd be squeezing every pennies from the devs. thus probably the reason why the DEV is currently buying waves back to the very minimum price just so they can set up the buy back wall that these dumpers can't break.

I honestly think the devs plan all along was for the coin to get dumped to smithereens. That's why Bittrex makes sense.

Dump, chomp up cheap coins, get listed on larger exchange, then cash out. Timing of any walls would correspond to Polo, or similar news... but don't think that will happen for a while yet. The question is what is the bottom.

The buy back wall at 30K was pulled, not broken by the way.

exactly the reason. that one big greedy mouth will one day chomp a bulk of waves more than it can handle while the devs are about to leave the waves project and give it to someone else greedier.
this ain't a good picture.

[poornamelessme]

exactly the reason. that one big greedy mouth will one day chomp a bulk of waves more than it can handle while the devs are about to leave the waves project and give it to someone else greedier.
this ain't a good picture.

Usually large amounts like that gulped up all at once is just a whale selling to himself... with the idea of creating a dump (which did occur). Although really, it doesn't matter either way. Neither situation is a good one... either it was a real sale, so a whale dumped into the dev, or the dev dumped to himself.

Guess the dev playing manipulation games is actually the better alternative when I think of it, at least it means he's still in control of the price.

[electronicash]

exactly the reason. that one big greedy mouth will one day chomp a bulk of waves more than it can handle while the devs are about to leave the waves project and give it to someone else greedier.
this ain't a good picture.

Usually large amounts like that gulped up all at once is just a whale selling to himself... with the idea of creating a dump (which did occur). Although really, it doesn't matter either way. Neither situation is a good one... either it was a real sale, so a whale dumped into the dev, or the dev dumped to himself.

Guess the dev playing manipulation games is actually the better alternative when I think of it, at least it means he's still in control of the price.

Dev controlling the price sounds a lot better than a greedy whale who just keep milking the sack. This coin isn't like the one we can mine thru GPUs, so it can easily be manipulated.

Funny thing is that those users who shout waves to be scam are the ones greedier.

[patronis]

exactly the reason. that one big greedy mouth will one day chomp a bulk of waves more than it can handle while the devs are about to leave the waves project and give it to someone else greedier.
this ain't a good picture.

Usually large amounts like that gulped up all at once is just a whale selling to himself... with the idea of creating a dump (which did occur). Although really, it doesn't matter either way. Neither situation is a good one... either it was a real sale, so a whale dumped into the dev, or the dev dumped to himself.

Guess the dev playing manipulation games is actually the better alternative when I think of it, at least it means he's still in control of the price.

Everyone assumes the worst with the dev. manipulating the price but I'm sure Sasha is just trying to make Waves a success and build a successful project.

[Wilhelmer]

Meanwhile.... WAVES is being listed in China on 28th June at Touzibi

http://www.touzibi.com/news/view/23

[Sam123]

Meanwhile.... WAVES is being listed in China on 28th June at Touzibi

http://www.touzibi.com/news/view/23

Why Touzibi not poloniex ?

[hiddensphinx]

Why Touzibi not poloniex ?

Touzibi will be providing the Chinese Yuan exchange functionality in the wallet 

[Mouse020]

it is not good for that Touzibi..

[Wilhelmer]

Meanwhile.... WAVES is being listed in China on 28th June at Touzibi

http://www.touzibi.com/news/view/23

Why Touzibi not poloniex ?

The WAVES team has already provided everything Poloniex needs to list it. Everything is in Polo's court now. Not sure why they are delaying listing but it's a good idea to send them a request: https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

That should speed up the process.

[Wilhelmer]

it is not good for that Touzibi..

May I ask in what sense?

[4theLOVEofCrypto]

This thread is a train-wreck.  So much FUD.  So many unhappy.  Kind of wish I would have held out of the ICO and just bought on market, but you never know.  Oh well, lets see what the future holds.