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[bbc.reporter]

Big difference on the odds of Sebastian and Ferrari before the start of the season and now. I should have made the bet for them while it was +1000 for Sebastian and +900 for Ferrari.

Also here is an interesting statistic. There was an article I read that said the winner of the Australian Grand Prix has become the champion for the past 2 seasons.

[PokerDiceMan]

after the first GP of F1 and convincing race of Vettel and Ferrari the bookamers have updated the odds significantly:

Drivers Championship Winner F1 2017:

Hamilton   @1.95
Vettel        @2.50
Bottas       @9.00
Raikkonen@18.00
Verstappen@20.00
Ricciardo   @30.00




Constructors Winner F1 2017:

Mercedes@1.55
Ferrari    @2.75
Red Bull  @17.00


The Mercedes has a slight advantage over Ferrari, however the Red Bull seems very far this year

I think is ferari this season is good improve car, and in the first serie this season ferari with sebastiaon vetllel is very impresive perfomance, can win first series in austalia, i think this season batle championship is good beetween hamilton and vettel and difference team
not same in 3 last season only 2 driver mercedes hamilton and roseberg

[cicciobtc]

Here is how the bookmakers have upgraded the odds after the first gp in MotoGP:

Vinales    @2.20
Marquez  @2.50
Rossi       @6.50
Dovizioso @10.00
Lorenzo   @15.00
Pedrosa   @20.00


Head to head between Vinales and Marquez, slightly behind Rossi.
Dovizioso than Lorenzo, who is quoted at 15!

[azguard]

Here is how the bookmakers have upgraded the odds after the first gp in MotoGP:

Vinales    @2.20
Marquez  @2.50
Rossi       @6.50
Dovizioso @10.00
Lorenzo   @15.00
Pedrosa   @20.00


Head to head between Vinales and Marquez, slightly behind Rossi.
Dovizioso than Lorenzo, who is quoted at 15!

Good but still think that ZARCO will be here to he show no matter if he crashed that he is capable of winning here as well is in motogp2. Predict that he will win one of next 3 races he got speed and everything but need to control better this is after all better ride and harder to control it. For others will wait next race to be certain in who will be the next to battle this season.       

[PokerDiceMan]

Here is how the bookmakers have upgraded the odds after the first gp in MotoGP:

Vinales    @2.20
Marquez  @2.50
Rossi       @6.50
Dovizioso @10.00
Lorenzo   @15.00
Pedrosa   @20.00


Head to head between Vinales and Marquez, slightly behind Rossi.
Dovizioso than Lorenzo, who is quoted at 15!

i think only 2 rider can compete in world champion vinales and marques, rossi only suprise can win wolrd champion, because rossi is old and can't stable performance in 17 series in one year, same with pedrosa because pedrosa performance under marques
and lorenzo and dovi only win series and imposible is win world champions

[cicciobtc]

Here is how the bookmakers have upgraded the odds after the first gp in MotoGP:

Vinales    @2.20
Marquez  @2.50
Rossi       @6.50
Dovizioso @10.00
Lorenzo   @15.00
Pedrosa   @20.00


Head to head between Vinales and Marquez, slightly behind Rossi.
Dovizioso than Lorenzo, who is quoted at 15!

Good but still think that ZARCO will be here to he show no matter if he crashed that he is capable of winning here as well is in motogp2. Predict that he will win one of next 3 races he got speed and everything but need to control better this is after all better ride and harder to control it. For others will wait next race to be certain in who will be the next to battle this season.       

Zarco for me is a very good driver and can be done in a few races some good results, but this year , hardly can fight for the podium in the World Championship.
This year he will experience as Vinales last year. Next year may be one of the favorites

[Dux2K]

Here is how the bookmakers have upgraded the odds after the first gp in MotoGP:

Vinales    @2.20
Marquez  @2.50
Rossi       @6.50
Dovizioso @10.00
Lorenzo   @15.00
Pedrosa   @20.00


Head to head between Vinales and Marquez, slightly behind Rossi.
Dovizioso than Lorenzo, who is quoted at 15!

i think only 2 rider can compete in world champion vinales and marques, rossi only suprise can win wolrd champion, because rossi is old and can't stable performance in 17 series in one year, same with pedrosa because pedrosa performance under marques
and lorenzo and dovi only win series and imposible is win world champions

Never think that for Rossi he is old but still is good remember that he almost took title ladt year, but i will say this if he takes it this year he will retire for sure.

[tokeweed]

It's another race weekend ladies and gents!  I, for one, am very happy we're having events across my favorite sports aka 'it's a good weekend if you're a fan of F1, the UFC and the EPL'.  

Anyway, who do you think will do well in qualifying and the race?  It's actually quite unpredictable and the odds given by the bookies don't justify making a bet, but I'm fairly confident it's gonna be Lewis Hamilton in both quali and the race.

Here's this weekend's race timetable.

The Chinese GP Timetable

All times are local (Shanghai GMT +8)

Thursday 6 April
15:00: FIA press conference
16:00: F1 drivers’ autograph session

Friday 7 April
10:00 – 11:30: First free practice
14:00 – 15:30: Second free practice
16:00: FIA press conference

Saturday 8 April
9:30 – 10:15: Team pit stop practice
12:00 – 13:00: Third free practice
15:00 – 16:00: Qualifying
16:00: FIA post qualifying press conference

Sunday 9 April
12:30: Drivers’ track parade
12:45 – 13:15: Starting grid presentation
13:46: National anthem
14:00 – 16:00: Chinese GP
16:00: FIA post race press conference


2017 Chinese Grand Prix | F1 Fast Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXRHNd5tYQ

Enjoy!  

[bbc.reporter]

Lewis will win this coming race. The Mercedes cars are faster in the straights and the track in China has one of the longest straights in Formula 1. He will win in qualifying and the race smoothly without any not so well timed pit stops this time. Sebastian will be 2nd and Valterri 3rd, but there is a chance Kimi could get to the podium.

[azguard]

Lewis will win this coming race. The Mercedes cars are faster in the straights and the track in China has one of the longest straights in Formula 1. He will win in qualifying and the race smoothly without any not so well timed pit stops this time. Sebastian will be 2nd and Valterri 3rd, but there is a chance Kimi could get to the podium.

For last season this is true but we saw that Ferrari improve quite a lot , but still giving more chances to Mercedes in this race maybe 60% for win this should be good track for them. Maybe even Red Bull drivers can get here podium but that is little less chances for this.

[cengsuwuei]

Lewis will win this coming race. The Mercedes cars are faster in the straights and the track in China has one of the longest straights in Formula 1. He will win in qualifying and the race smoothly without any not so well timed pit stops this time. Sebastian will be 2nd and Valterri 3rd, but there is a chance Kimi could get to the podium.

For last season this is true but we saw that Ferrari improve quite a lot , but still giving more chances to Mercedes in this race maybe 60% for win this should be good track for them. Maybe even Red Bull drivers can get here podium but that is little less chances for this.

i think lewis hamilton can win in china Grand prix
in first series only unlucky mercedes can't win, I think mercedes team still superior although another team example ferrari improve car and impresive performance

[tokeweed]

Lewis will win this coming race. The Mercedes cars are faster in the straights and the track in China has one of the longest straights in Formula 1. He will win in qualifying and the race smoothly without any not so well timed pit stops this time. Sebastian will be 2nd and Valterri 3rd, but there is a chance Kimi could get to the podium.

For last season this is true but we saw that Ferrari improve quite a lot , but still giving more chances to Mercedes in this race maybe 60% for win this should be good track for them. Maybe even Red Bull drivers can get here podium but that is little less chances for this.

i think lewis hamilton can win in china Grand prix
in first series only unlucky mercedes can't win, I think mercedes team still superior although another team example ferrari improve car and impresive performance

It's really unpredictable.  But I do think Hamilton has a slight edge here.  He has shown to be faster than Vettel in quali at Australia and I think this race would be no different.  But the lines that the bookies laid don't justify betting on either of them.  Give me either Hamilton or Vettel at 3.00 and above, I'll def take it.

[cicciobtc]

Who win the Chinese Gp of F1?

Hamilton     @2.20
Vettel         @2.70
Bottas        @8.00
Raikkonen  @12.00
Verstappen @20.00
Ricciardo    @25.00
Massa       @200.00



Important this Gp to understand the true values this year.
We'll see if Ferrari will confirm still competitive.

[tokeweed]

Who win the Chinese Gp of F1?

Hamilton     @2.20
Vettel         @2.70
Bottas        @8.00
Raikkonen  @12.00
Verstappen @20.00
Ricciardo    @25.00
Massa       @200.00



Important this Gp to understand the true values this year.
We'll see if Ferrari will confirm still competitive.

No value on Hamilton and Vettel.  And keep in mind that this grand prix could get very unpredictable due to the weather.  There's forecast of rain this Sunday and the wet track could get the Red Bulls in contention for a podium finish and even a win.  I hope it pours.  Verstappen would be so fun to watch in the rain.

[cicciobtc]

Bad weather in China with a lot of rain and fog.
It is very likely that even during the race there will be bad weather.
It will certainly be an unpredictable gp, and can win an outsider.
Up to this moment the first practice session has been interrupted, the second has been canceled.
Only 10 drivers made one good lap, with Verstappen who made the best time with 1'50 "491.

[tokeweed]

Yup.  Max Verstappen goes faster than the rest in wet track conditions.  Here are the times of FP1.  FP2 was red flagged.

FP1 Times
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:50.491 4 laps
2 Felipe Massa Williams 1:52.086 1.595    7 laps
3 Lance Stroll Williams 1:52.507 2.016    7 laps
4 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1:52.840 2.349 5 laps
5 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:53.039 2.548 6 laps
6 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:53.314 2.823 4 laps
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:53.520 3.029 5 laps
8 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:54.038 3.547 7 laps
9 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:54.664 4.173 4 laps
10 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:55.104 4.613 8 laps
11 Nico Hulkenberg Renault Sport 1:55.608 5.117 6 laps
12 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:57.445 6.954 4 laps
13 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 2:15.138 24.647 4 laps
14 Antonio Giovinazzi Sauber 2:15.281 24.79 4 laps
15 Jolyon Palmer Renault Sport no time 3 laps
16 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari no time 2 laps
17 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari no time 1 lap
18 Esteban Ocon Force India no time 2 laps
19 Sergio Perez Force India no time 3 laps
20 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes no time 2 laps

Those lap times don't really say much since they're so few.

[swogerino]

The layout of this track is completely different. In this track one thing is known for sure, Ferrari will be penalized and Mercedes will be advantaged from the layout of the track. If there is any bet that Ferrari will not win in this track I would bet on that outcome. By the way which casino gambling house offers betting on Formula 1 ?

[azguard]

Interesting was in MotoGP today here are free practice results

1.   =   Maverick Viñales   ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m 39.477s [Lap 18/20]   321km/h (Top Speed)
2.   ^9   Marc Marquez   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m 39.778s +0.301s   [16/19]   318km/h
3.   ^2   Karel Abraham   CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m 39.880s +0.403s   [14/17]   323km/h
4.   ^6   Alvaro Bautista   ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 39.922s +0.445s   [17/20]   328km/h
5.   ˅3   Danilo Petrucci   ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 39.960s +0.483s   [18/20]   322km/h
6.   ^15   Loris Baz   FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m 40.120s +0.643s   [17/20]   322km/h
7.   ^7   Cal Crutchlow   GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m 40.124s +0.647s   [15/18]   318km/h
8.   ˅4   Jonas Folger   GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m 40.157s +0.680s   [18/20]   319km/h
9.   ^3   Aleix Espargaro   ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m 40.175s +0.698s   [16/18]   322km/h
10.   ˅4   Andrea Iannone   ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m 40.250s +0.773s   [16/18]   318km/h
11.   ^2   Scott Redding   GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 40.338s +0.861s   [14/17]   324km/h
12.   ˅9   Johann Zarco   FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m 40.340s +0.863s   [12/20]   320km/h
13.   ^6   Dani Pedrosa   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m 40.345s +0.868s   [15/15]   320km/h
14.   ˅7   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 40.399s +0.922s   [16/16]   329km/h
15.   ˅7   Hector Barbera   ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 40.431s +0.954s   [13/14]   326km/h
16.   =   Valentino Rossi   ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m 40.531s +1.054s   [17/19]   322km/h
17.   ˅8   Jack Miller   AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m 40.588s +1.111s   [17/19]   319km/h
18.   ˅3   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 40.599s +1.122s   [18/20]   327km/h
19.   ˅1   Tito Rabat   ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m 40.908s +1.431s   [15/18]   320km/h
20.   ˅3   Alex Rins   ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   1m 41.083s +1.606s   [18/18]   318km/h
21.   ˅1   Pol Espargaro   ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m 41.632s +2.155s   [19/20]   319km/h
22.   =   Bradley Smith   GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m 42.074s +2.597s   [15/19]   317km/h
23.   =   Sam Lowes   GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m 42.179s +2.702s   [17/18]   317km/h

Key:
˄X Rider has X higher positions than end of FP1.
= Rider has the same position as FP1.
˅X Rider has X lower positions than end of FP1.

[PokerDiceMan]

Interesting was in MotoGP today here are free practice results

1.   =   Maverick Viñales   ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m 39.477s [Lap 18/20]   321km/h (Top Speed)
2.   ^9   Marc Marquez   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m 39.778s +0.301s   [16/19]   318km/h
3.   ^2   Karel Abraham   CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)   1m 39.880s +0.403s   [14/17]   323km/h
4.   ^6   Alvaro Bautista   ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 39.922s +0.445s   [17/20]   328km/h
5.   ˅3   Danilo Petrucci   ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 39.960s +0.483s   [18/20]   322km/h
6.   ^15   Loris Baz   FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)   1m 40.120s +0.643s   [17/20]   322km/h
7.   ^7   Cal Crutchlow   GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)   1m 40.124s +0.647s   [15/18]   318km/h
8.   ˅4   Jonas Folger   GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m 40.157s +0.680s   [18/20]   319km/h
9.   ^3   Aleix Espargaro   ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   1m 40.175s +0.698s   [16/18]   322km/h
10.   ˅4   Andrea Iannone   ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   1m 40.250s +0.773s   [16/18]   318km/h
11.   ^2   Scott Redding   GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 40.338s +0.861s   [14/17]   324km/h
12.   ˅9   Johann Zarco   FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*   1m 40.340s +0.863s   [12/20]   320km/h
13.   ^6   Dani Pedrosa   ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)   1m 40.345s +0.868s   [15/15]   320km/h
14.   ˅7   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 40.399s +0.922s   [16/16]   329km/h
15.   ˅7   Hector Barbera   ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)   1m 40.431s +0.954s   [13/14]   326km/h
16.   =   Valentino Rossi   ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)   1m 40.531s +1.054s   [17/19]   322km/h
17.   ˅8   Jack Miller   AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m 40.588s +1.111s   [17/19]   319km/h
18.   ˅3   Jorge Lorenzo   ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)   1m 40.599s +1.122s   [18/20]   327km/h
19.   ˅1   Tito Rabat   ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)   1m 40.908s +1.431s   [15/18]   320km/h
20.   ˅3   Alex Rins   ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   1m 41.083s +1.606s   [18/18]   318km/h
21.   ˅1   Pol Espargaro   ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m 41.632s +2.155s   [19/20]   319km/h
22.   =   Bradley Smith   GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)   1m 42.074s +2.597s   [15/19]   317km/h
23.   =   Sam Lowes   GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*   1m 42.179s +2.702s   [17/18]   317km/h

Key:
˄X Rider has X higher positions than end of FP1.
= Rider has the same position as FP1.
˅X Rider has X lower positions than end of FP1.

maverick vinales performance still amazing
i think this series maverick vinales can win again, and can batle with marck marques, and in argetina track, Yamaha still competiive and above honda
and ducati in argentina track still competitive but is good race not lorenzo but still dovisizioso

[tokeweed]

Weather conditions have definitely improved today compared to yesterday and all drivers went out and made up for the missed times they had for FP3.  The Ferraris are once again ahead of the Mercedes but we'll see in quali where it really matters.

FP3 Times
1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:33.336
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:33.389 0.053
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:33.707 0.371
4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:33.879 0.543
5 Felipe Massa Williams 1:34.773 1.437
6 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:34.946 1.610
7 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:35.092 1.756
8 Lance Stroll Williams 1:35.182 1.846
9 Jolyon Palmer Renault Sport 1:35.192 1.856
10 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1:35.223 1.887
11 Nico Hulkenberg Renault Sport 1:35.449 2.113
12 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:35.521 2.185
13 Sergio Perez Force India 1:35.626 2.290
14 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:35.680 2.344
15 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:35.804 2.468
16 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:35.811 2.475
17 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:35.912 2.576
18 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:36.063 2.727
19 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:36.221 2.885
20 Antonio Giovinazzi Sauber 1:36.705 3.369