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[azguard]

Could be good pick on winner for qualifying this is good option and nice odds, we saw that he and Hamilton will take this season for sure for battle each other.
From at least these first two races I dont think that anyone is up to the challenge for now.

[Dux2K]

Sure Vettel and Hamilton are the ones that are here to take title this year dont see any driver that could do anything.
But i might for this race weekend expect maybe Red Bull to do something.

[tokeweed]

Sure Vettel and Hamilton are the ones that are here to take title this year dont see any driver that could do anything.
But i might for this race weekend expect maybe Red Bull to do something.

Not until they get their engine upgrades.  So according to them it's gonna either be by the Canadian Grand Prix or the Monaco Grand Prix.  And it's gonna be a process.  The gap is kinda huge between Merc/Ferrari and Redbull.  You can't really expect Redbull to suddenly be in contention starting at Bahrain.  That kind of thinking would be dumb.

[Dux2K]

Sure Vettel and Hamilton are the ones that are here to take title this year dont see any driver that could do anything.
But i might for this race weekend expect maybe Red Bull to do something.

Not until they get their engine upgrades.  So according to them it's gonna either be by the Canadian Grand Prix or the Monaco Grand Prix.  And it's gonna be a process.  The gap is kinda huge between Merc/Ferrari and Redbull.  You can't really expect Redbull to suddenly be in contention starting at Bahrain.  That kind of thinking would be dumb.

You got right but it might be then but still these two will be main ones fr title.

Not good 1st practice for Kimi engine failre not god at all.

[cicciobtc]

Sure Vettel and Hamilton are the ones that are here to take title this year dont see any driver that could do anything.
But i might for this race weekend expect maybe Red Bull to do something.

Not until they get their engine upgrades.  So according to them it's gonna either be by the Canadian Grand Prix or the Monaco Grand Prix.  And it's gonna be a process.  The gap is kinda huge between Merc/Ferrari and Redbull.  You can't really expect Redbull to suddenly be in contention starting at Bahrain.  That kind of thinking would be dumb.

In this gp there are extreme conditions with high temperatures (asphalt temperatures above 45° C).

Perhaps with these conditions, the Red Bull can be closer to Mercedes and Ferrari, but I am convinced that even this time Vettel and Hamilton will fight for victory.

Who wins the GP of Bahrain?

Hamilton     @2.15
Vettel          @2.50
Bottas         @8.50
Raikkonen   @10.00
Verstappen  @25.00
Ricciardo     @35.00

[cicciobtc]

Here's the best times of free practice today in the Bahrein Gp:

1 VETTEL FERRARI 1:31.310
2 BOTTAS MERCEDES +0.041
3 RICCIARDO RED BULL +0.066
4 RAIKKONEN FERRARI +0.168
5 HAMILTON MERCEDES +0.284
6 HULKENBERG RENAULT +0.573
7 MASSA WILLIAMS +0.769
8 VERSTAPPEN RED BULL +0.915
9 GROSJEAN HAAS +1.195
10 KVYAT TORO ROSSO +1.397
11 MAGNUSSEN HAAS +1.544
12 OCON FORCE INDIA +1.565
13 PALMER RENAULT +1.566
14 ALONSO MCLAREN +1.587
15 PEREZ FORCE INDIA +2.009
16 STROLL WILLIAMS +2.051
17 ERICSSON SAUBER +2.634
18 SAINZ TORO ROSSO +2.762
19 WEHRLEIN SAUBER +2.807
20 VANDOORNE MCLAREN +2.920

Ferrari very fast but with reliability problems for both Raikkonen and Vettel.
Red Bull , especially with Ricciardo, seems close to ferrari and mercedes

[tokeweed]

Hmmm...  It looks like Bottas has other ideas.    I was under the impression that Merc gave him a drive so Hamilton could have a partner who's consistent enough to give them a 1 - 2 on each race.  A stable partnership.  But it looks like we'll have another interesting season for Mercedes.

Bahrain GP Qualifying Times
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:28.769
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:28.792 0.023
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:29.247 0.478
4 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:29.545 0.776
5 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:29.567 0.798
6 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:29.687 0.918
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault Sport 1:29.842 1.073
8 Felipe Massa Williams 1:30.074 1.305
9 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:30.763 1.994
10 Jolyon Palmer Renault Sport 1:31.074 2.305
11 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:30.923
12 Lance Stroll Williams 1:31.168
13 Pascal Wehrlein Sauber 1:31.414
14 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:31.684
15 Fernando Alonso McLaren no time
16 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1:32.118
17 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:32.313
18 Sergio Perez Force India 1:32.318
19 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:32.543
20 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:32.900

[Dux2K]

Hmmm...  It looks like Bottas has other ideas.    I was under the impression that Merc gave him a drive so Hamilton could have a partner who's consistent enough to give them a 1 - 2 on each race.  A stable partnership.  But it looks like we'll have another interesting season for Mercedes.

It looks that way to me to. First time this season I saw Hamilton to make mistake under pressure of team driver. This is gonna be good for rest of season if he continues to do this.

[bbc.reporter]

After 3 races it is now showing that team Mercedes might dominate the whole field for another year. I speculate Ferrari will go down in performance and Redbull will improve. It will be a close fight for 2nd place for both constructors.

[Loepuenkyou]

Here's the best times of free practice today in the Bahrein Gp:

1 VETTEL FERRARI 1:31.310
2 BOTTAS MERCEDES +0.041
3 RICCIARDO RED BULL +0.066
4 RAIKKONEN FERRARI +0.168
5 HAMILTON MERCEDES +0.284
6 HULKENBERG RENAULT +0.573
7 MASSA WILLIAMS +0.769
8 VERSTAPPEN RED BULL +0.915
9 GROSJEAN HAAS +1.195
10 KVYAT TORO ROSSO +1.397
11 MAGNUSSEN HAAS +1.544
12 OCON FORCE INDIA +1.565
13 PALMER RENAULT +1.566
14 ALONSO MCLAREN +1.587
15 PEREZ FORCE INDIA +2.009
16 STROLL WILLIAMS +2.051
17 ERICSSON SAUBER +2.634
18 SAINZ TORO ROSSO +2.762
19 WEHRLEIN SAUBER +2.807
20 VANDOORNE MCLAREN +2.920

Ferrari very fast but with reliability problems for both Raikkonen and Vettel.
Red Bull , especially with Ricciardo, seems close to ferrari and mercedes

this season ferari develop car is amazing
this season ferari can competitive to competition champion with mercedes

[azguard]

Full Bahrain Grand Prix race results following Round 3 of the 2017 World Championship at the Bahrain International Circuit

1. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   57 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +6.660ss
3. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   +20.397s
4. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +22.475s
5. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   +39.346s

6. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +54.326s
7. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1m 02.606s
8. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   +1m 14.865s
9. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1m 20.188s
10. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1m 22.252s

11. Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari   +1 lap
12. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
13. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   +1 lap
14. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   +3 laps

Did not finish

15. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   50 laps completed
16. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   12 laps completed
17. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   12 laps completed
18. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   11 laps completed
19. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   8 laps completed
20. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   0 laps completed

[btc_angela]

Looks like Ferrari driver Sebastian Vettel held off a tremendous late charge From Mercedes rival Lewis Hamilton to take the Bahrain Grand Prix and took the overall lead in the Formula one title. The 5 second penalty Hamilton took away any hopes for him to win this race.

[LTU_btc]

It looks that that fight for drivers championship title will be very interesting and this is what we waited for years. Hamilton got 5 second penalty but it was only him and his team fault. And still, Vettel was faster today even without this penalty. Also, Safety car helped a bit for Vettel. I'm disappointed that Ricciardo lost many positions after safety car left track, because I believed that he can fight for podium today.
Also, it's very sad to see Alonso in poor Mclaren car, he even can't reach finnish. I understant why he choose to race in Indy 500 instead of Monaco GP.

[cengsuwuei]

unbeliveable with ferari performance
baharin series, sebastian vettel win again, i think this season can competitive batle sebastian vettel and hamilton
because two car ferari and mercedes is equal an d same quality

[bbc.reporter]

@cengsuwuei. Did you really watch it? Sebastian has won again because of making the right decision of doing a pitstop early in the race. In raw power, I do not believe the Ferrari is faster than the Mercedes on a 1 on 1 race. Mercedes' power unit is still the best on the grid.

[azguard]

@cengsuwuei. Did you really watch it? Sebastian has won again because of making the right decision of doing a pitstop early in the race. In raw power, I do not believe the Ferrari is faster than the Mercedes on a 1 on 1 race. Mercedes' power unit is still the best on the grid.

Last season ws good pit decisions by Mercedes but this time seem like Ferrari made good research and good tactics preparation for this season think that they slowly regain confidence from Schumacher era when they didnt make mistakes in pit. But this season will be win win for both drivers only if they mess up or engine failure then it will be hard for other to reach up.

[bbc.reporter]

@azguard. What do you think of the Redbulls, especially Max Verstappen? Before he pitted and lost his brakes in Bahrain he said on the radio that they were faster than them. I assume that would be the Ferrari of Sebastian. If he did not lose his brakes, at what place do you think will Max be at the finish?

Do you think the Redbulls can still bring a good challenge?

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 3 races:

Vettel         68
Hamilton     61
Bottas         38
Raikkonen   34
Verstappen  25
Ricciardo     22
Massa          16
Perez           14
Sainz           10
Grosjean      4
Magnussen   4
Ocon            3
Kvyat           2
Hulkenberg   2

Standings Teams after 3 races:

Ferrari       102
Mercedes   99
Red Bull     47
Force India 17
Williams     16
Toro Rosso 12
Haas          8
Renault      2

Ferrari and Red Bull are perfectly equal as values this year! finally we will see a point to point season fought until the end for both championships (drivers and teams).

[bbc.reporter]

@cicciobtc. Yes they are equally matched in racing pace. But Ferrari won only because they had the advantage of pitting early, undercutting the Mercedes. If they were both compared on raw power and speed alone, the Mercedes power unit is a little better than the Ferrari.

[cicciobtc]

@cicciobtc. Yes they are equally matched in racing pace. But Ferrari won only because they had the advantage of pitting early, undercutting the Mercedes. If they were both compared on raw power and speed alone, the Mercedes power unit is a little better than the Ferrari.

these first 3 gp had different characteristics and have shown that there is so much balance.
Vettel and Hamilton will be played the Championship win until the last race. probably the reliability of the Car will determine the winner.