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Some F1 NEWS

McLaren racing director Eric Boullier has rejected the claim from former Formula 1 team owner and current TV pundit Eddie Jordan that a deal has been struck to return to Mercedes engines for the 2018 season. McLaren ended its long-running partnership with Mercedes at the end of 2014 in favour of rekindling its famed partnership with Honda from the 1980s and early '90s, only for on-track results to take a hit amid ongoing reliability and performance issues. McLaren has been linked with a return to Mercedes power units for 2018 as its partnership with Honda remains strained, with Jordan claiming in Channel 4's coverage ahead of Russian Grand Prix qualifying that a deal has already been agreed.


What from this is true or false we will find out in next couple of week but evidently Honda is not that dominate power like in late 80s and early 90s

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Full Qualifying results for the Russian Grand Prix at the Sochi Autodrom, Round 4 of the 2017 Formula 1 World Championship. 

1. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 33.194s 
2. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 33.253s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 33.289s 
4. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 33.767s 
5. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    1m 34.905s 

6. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    1m 35.110s 
7. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    1m 35.161s 
8. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    1m 35.285s 
9. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   1m 35.337s 
10. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   1m 35.430s 

11. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 37.164s * 
12. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    1m 36.649s 
13. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 36.846s 
14. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    1m 36.619s 
15. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    1m 36.869s 

16. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    1m 36.462s 
17. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    1m 37.070s ** 
18. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 37.332s 
19. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 37.507s 
20. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    1m 41.480s

Maybe the rumor of Mercedes using oil burning to boost speed during qualifying is not true. Then maybe Ferrari has also learned how to use it. I speculate the start of the Ferrari dominance. Sebastian Vettel with a good and balanced car in qualifying will seldom lose during race day. This season will start to look like his days in Redbull for Sebastian.

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Some F1 NEWS

McLaren racing director Eric Boullier has rejected the claim from former Formula 1 team owner and current TV pundit Eddie Jordan that a deal has been struck to return to Mercedes engines for the 2018 season. McLaren ended its long-running partnership with Mercedes at the end of 2014 in favour of rekindling its famed partnership with Honda from the 1980s and early '90s, only for on-track results to take a hit amid ongoing reliability and performance issues. McLaren has been linked with a return to Mercedes power units for 2018 as its partnership with Honda remains strained, with Jordan claiming in Channel 4's coverage ahead of Russian Grand Prix qualifying that a deal has already been agreed.


What from this is true or false we will find out in next couple of week but evidently Honda is not that dominate power like in late 80s and early 90s

When there's smoke, there's fire.  Maybe McClaren has already informally decided to use the Mercedes PU starting next season but Boullier has yet to tell Honda about it.  Talk about Eddie Jordan ruining the show.  

And for the oil as fuel issue, most of the teams are doing it with Merc being the team that benefited to it most during the Q3's of this season.  But have the Ferraris found a better oil as fuel tactic?  Obviously yes.

[Dux2K]

Good start in F1 Alonso not starting Honda engine failure again, crashes in turn 3 with safety car in opening laps this look very promising race to be.

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Full Russian Grand Prix race results following Round 4 of the 2017 World Championship at the Sochi Autodrom

1. Valtteri Bottas   FIN Mercedes - Mercedes   51 laps
2. Sebastian Vettel   GER Ferrari - Ferrari   +0.617s
3. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN Ferrari - Ferrari   +11.000s
4. Lewis Hamilton   GBR Mercedes - Mercedes   +36.320s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG   +1m 00.416s

6. Sergio Perez   MEX Force India-Mercedes   +1m 26.788s
7. Esteban Ocon   FRA Force India-Mercedes   +1m 35.004s
8. Nico Hulkenberg   GER Renault - Renault   +1m 36.188s
9. Felipe Massa   BRA Williams - Mercedes   +1 lap
10. Carlos Sainz   ESP Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap

11. Lance Stroll   CAN Williams - Mercedes   +1 lap
12. Daniil Kvyat   RUS Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari   +1 lap
14. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL McLaren-Honda   +1 lap
15. Marcus Ericsson   SWE Sauber - Ferrari   +1 lap
16. Pascal Wehrlein   GER Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps

Did not finish

17. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG   5 laps completed
18. Jolyon Palmer   GBR Renault - Renault   0 laps completed
19. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari   0 laps completed
20. Fernando Alonso   ESP McLaren-Honda   DNS

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Great to see Bottas winning his first GP. Maybe Mercedes really need to extend his contract for more years, as Eddie Jordan adviced.
Ferrari made good decision to make Vettel pit stop few laps latter than Bottas - Vettel was faster in last laps, but Massa helped a bit for Bottas to increase gap.
And another terrible weekend for Alonso - but it's already usual thing.

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@LTU_btc. Felipe Massa is claiming that he was giving enough space for Sebastian to dive in and do the overtake. It did not look like he did. Sebastian was also graceful enough not to use that as an excuse for his 2nd place finish.

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Good start in F1 Alonso not starting Honda engine failure again, crashes in turn 3 with safety car in opening laps this look very promising race to be.

Alonso needs to retire until he finds a better deal, he is putting his life on risk everytime he goes out there with such a bad car, if he gets caught in the wrong moment, his car can get his brakes broken, or a wheel or something, and then you are going at 190 mph in a straight line against a wall and you are dead. Alonso deserves a better car, this is just the biggest disaster ever. The car looks great but performs like a Gokart.

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Standings Drivers after 4 races:

Vettel          86
Hamilton      73
Bottas          63
Raikkonen    49
Verstappen   35
Ricciardo      22
Perez           22
Massa          18
Sainz           11
Ocon             9


Standings Teams after 4 races:

 
Mercedes   136
Ferrari       135
Red Bull     57
Force India 31
Williams     18
Toro Rosso 13
Haas          8
Renault      6



Finally a convincing race for Bottas, but strangely in trouble Hamilton. Ferrari confirms that they are at the same level as the Mercedes, and perhaps have surpassed their rivals.
Finally we will see a balanced world championship until the last race.

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@cicciobtc. Lewis Hamilton has been having problems the whole week from the practice sessions until race day. There were rumors that he was not able to get the right balance for his car in the cold winds of Russia and the extra smooth asphalt.

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Good start in F1 Alonso not starting Honda engine failure again, crashes in turn 3 with safety car in opening laps this look very promising race to be.

Alonso needs to retire until he finds a better deal, he is putting his life on risk everytime he goes out there with such a bad car, if he gets caught in the wrong moment, his car can get his brakes broken, or a wheel or something, and then you are going at 190 mph in a straight line against a wall and you are dead. Alonso deserves a better car, this is just the biggest disaster ever. The car looks great but performs like a Gokart.

Alonso is just trying to win INDY 500 nothing else think that he wont continue next season with McLaren for sure unless they perform some miracle and create good car for next season whick is most likely not gonna happen. Rumors that he is going to Renault for next season is also bad for him, dunno what will happen to him but shame.

And on top of that we have Honda announcing that they will supply another team for next season. What a bummer.

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@cicciobtc. Lewis Hamilton has been having problems the whole week from the practice sessions until race day. There were rumors that he was not able to get the right balance for his car in the cold winds of Russia and the extra smooth asphalt.

It is rare to see Hamilton so in trouble! Also the comparison with the times made by Bottas has been exaggerated.
Hamilton doesn't really like this Gp.
I think we will see him again as a protagonist from the next Gp in Spain.

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Good start in F1 Alonso not starting Honda engine failure again, crashes in turn 3 with safety car in opening laps this look very promising race to be.

Alonso needs to retire until he finds a better deal, he is putting his life on risk everytime he goes out there with such a bad car, if he gets caught in the wrong moment, his car can get his brakes broken, or a wheel or something, and then you are going at 190 mph in a straight line against a wall and you are dead. Alonso deserves a better car, this is just the biggest disaster ever. The car looks great but performs like a Gokart.

Alonso is just trying to win INDY 500 nothing else think that he wont continue next season with McLaren for sure unless they perform some miracle and create good car for next season whick is most likely not gonna happen. Rumors that he is going to Renault for next season is also bad for him, dunno what will happen to him but shame.

And on top of that we have Honda announcing that they will supply another team for next season. What a bummer.

Well, Renault is more competitive than McClaren nowadays. Also Alonso won his 2 tittles with Renault back in the day, so Renault is able to deliver a good car, but I wonder how they created such a killer car back in the day? it was amazing to see the Renault overtaking the Ferraris.

Anyway, if he is not able to get a good car in the following 2 years, I think he will retire because you can only take a certain amount of frustration once you realize you are putting your life on risk every time you go out there, only to lose and see your car break. And he is richer than all of us combined already so he doesnt need money.

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@cicciobtc. Lewis Hamilton has been having problems the whole week from the practice sessions until race day. There were rumors that he was not able to get the right balance for his car in the cold winds of Russia and the extra smooth asphalt.

It is rare to see Hamilton so in trouble! Also the comparison with the times made by Bottas has been exaggerated.
Hamilton doesn't really like this Gp.
I think we will see him again as a protagonist from the next Gp in Spain.

I am not really sure about that now that we saw how Valtteri drives. We all thought that he will be happy playing a driver no.2 role after replacing Nico. Lewis has 2 competitors to worry about now. Sebastian and Valtteri.

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This week there will be the motogp in Jerez.
Valentino Rossi has already won 9 times on this track.

If he wins for the tenth time, he can really win his tenth world title this year!
Valentino Rossi (38 years old) is "the highlander" of Motogp!

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This week there will be the motogp in Jerez.
Valentino Rossi has already won 9 times on this track.

If he wins for the tenth time, he can really win his tenth world title this year!
Valentino Rossi (38 years old) is "the highlander" of Motogp!

Well try history of this track almost every one at the end was motgp title winner when they won this track, let see if like you say highlander Rossi can win this, but this track is favorite to Spanish drivers and I expect to see battle between all 3 of them Marquez, Lorenzo and Pendrosa, off course this time both Yamaha drivers are here and Zarco surprise me from race to race maybe even he wins this one.

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Who will win the GP of Jerez?

Vinales   @2.50
Marquez @3.00
V. Rossi  @3.50
Pedrosa  @15.00
Zarco      @25.00
Dovizioso @33.00
Lorenzo    @33.00
Crutchlow @33.00

Vinales, Rossi and Marquez are very close to this Gp! The quote at@3.50 for V.Rossi is really interesting

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Lewis Hamilton is seen congratulating Valtteri. He was nice and he was giving his teammate praise. But how long will it last? The battle for the driver's championship will intensify later when the end of the season is near. I cannot imagine Lewis still in full of praise when he is behind in points.

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Who will win the GP of Jerez?

Vinales   @2.50
Marquez @3.00
V. Rossi  @3.50
Pedrosa  @15.00
Zarco      @25.00
Dovizioso @33.00
Lorenzo    @33.00
Crutchlow @33.00

Vinales, Rossi and Marquez are very close to this Gp! The quote at@3.50 for V.Rossi is really interesting

jezerz is home base spanish rider, i think marques and vinales can batle win
valentino rossi can suprise this race, and now rossi point leader in championship
i hope rossi can stable performance and end season can win world championship in MOTOGP

[cicciobtc]

Who will win the GP of Jerez?

Vinales   @2.50
Marquez @3.00
V. Rossi  @3.50
Pedrosa  @15.00
Zarco      @25.00
Dovizioso @33.00
Lorenzo    @33.00
Crutchlow @33.00

Vinales, Rossi and Marquez are very close to this Gp! The quote at@3.50 for V.Rossi is really interesting

jezerz is home base spanish rider, i think marques and vinales can batle win
valentino rossi can suprise this race, and now rossi point leader in championship
i hope rossi can stable performance and end season can win world championship in MOTOGP

Last year here in Jerez won Valentino Rossi (9 times in total) so he is definitely one of the favorites. I think that they will play the win he and Marquez, but it does not seem to me a favorable track to vinales.
Also at this moment Rossi is in great shape and said that his feeling with the new motorbike has increased.