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[bbc.reporter]

The Spanish grand prix might be Mercedes' race. They still have the engine power advantage and if they start pushing hard, Lewis and Valtteri has shown that they are quick enough at qualifying and at the race. The Ferrari is also quick but not very dominating.

[tokeweed]

Watch the fast facts vid for the Spanish GP.

2017 Spanish Grand Prix | F1 Fast Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AisBLnW2Kc

Towards the end it pointed out that 'Verstappen became the 10th different winner in the last 10 years in Spain'.  That's an interesting statistic because there's a chance that there could be an 11th.  And the only names I don't see there are Bottas and Ricciardo who are valued at 4.50 and 23.00 respectively.  

[swogerino]

Starting from Spain GP and to Montreal GP and a few other races clearly should support the Mercedes power unit because these tracks have a lot of straights. I don't know you but for me I thought about it and I am going to place a bet on Mercedes as winning car in these races. The odd should be decent now that Mercedes in these last races have lost some credibility that they are unbeatable and the odds for a Mercedes winning car was 1.20 . Time to make some profit.

[Dux2K]

Watch the fast facts vid for the Spanish GP.

2017 Spanish Grand Prix | F1 Fast Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AisBLnW2Kc

Towards the end it pointed out that 'Verstappen became the 10th different winner in the last 10 years in Spain'.  That's an interesting statistic because there's a chance that there could be an 11th.  And the only names I don't see there are Bottas and Ricciardo who are valued at 4.50 and 23.00 respectively. 

Interesting fact this time we may have same winery.  But to respected to all drivers think that here it could be Bottas this time.

[tokeweed]

Was Ferrari 'sand bagging'?  During FP1 and FP2 the Mercedes were ahead of Vettel and Raikonen.  Come FP3 both drivers pulled out the stops and ended up one and two with Raikonen at the helm.

Ferrari may have discovered the right balancing for their cars in qualifying.  With Vettel's consistency, we could see them get pole position in almost all the races.

2017 Spanish GP FP3 Time Sheet

1 K Raikkonen 1:20.214
2 S Vettel 0.242s
3 L Hamilton 0.381s
4 V Bottas 0.654s
5 M Verstappen 0.811s
6 D Ricciardo 1.035s
7 N Hulkenberg 1.456s
8 F Massa 1.532s
9 C Sainz 1.621s
10 F Alonso 1.879s
11 R Grosjean 1.914s
12 K Magnussen 2.000s
13 S Perez 2.023s
14 E Ocon 2.083s
15 D Kvyat 2.177s
16 M Ericsson 2.299s
17 L Stroll 2.360s
18 J Palmer 2.541s
19 S Vandoorne 2.639s
20 P Wehrlein 2.760

[bet-1x2]

Big Value Here is Hamilton win pole position is Spanish GP.

Good luck

[Dux2K]

Full Qualifying Results for the Spanish Grand Prix at the Circuit de Catalunya

1. Lewis Hamilton    GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 20.149s 
2. Sebastian Vettel    GER   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 20.200s 
3. Valtteri Bottas    FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   1m 20.373s 
4. Kimi Raikkonen    FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari    1m 20.439s 
5. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG    1m 21.706s 
6. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG    1m 21.175s 
7. Fernando Alonso    ESP   McLaren-Honda    1m 22.048s 
8. Sergio Perez    MEX   Force India-Mercedes   1m 22.070s 
9. Felipe Massa    BRA   Williams - Mercedes    1m 21.232s 
10. Esteban Ocon    FRA   Force India-Mercedes   1m 22.272s 
11. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari    1m 21.329s 
12. Carlos Sainz    ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 21.371s 
13. Nico Hulkenberg    GER   Renault - Renault    1m 21.397s 
14. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari    1m 21.517s 
15. Pascal Wehrlein    GER   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 21.803s 
16. Marcus Ericsson    SWE   Sauber - Ferrari    1m 22.332s 
17. Jolyon Palmer    GBR   Renault - Renault    1m 22.401s 
18. Lance Stroll    CAN   Williams - Mercedes    1m 22.411s 
19. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda    1m 22.532s 
20. Daniil Kvyat    RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault    1m 22.746s 

[tokeweed]

<3 Alonso.  So...  Does that mean Honda has finally started being more effective in improving their engine or is Fernando Alonso just that awesome? 

[pereira4]

Alonso looked great today, I can't believe he managed to score a 7th place with that car. Unfortunately it seems it's going to be really sunny tomorrow in Spain or so they say, so I think the possibility for him to place high are next to impossible since he would need the chaotic of a rainy day to take advantage of that since he is really good in the rain.

But let's hope he can at least finish. 4 races, 4 car failures. He deserves better.

[LTU_btc]

Alonso looked great today, I can't believe he managed to score a 7th place with that car. Unfortunately it seems it's going to be really sunny tomorrow in Spain or so they say, so I think the possibility for him to place high are next to impossible since he would need the chaotic of a rainy day to take advantage of that since he is really good in the rain.

But let's hope he can at least finish. 4 races, 4 car failures. He deserves better.

It's really great result for Alonso. When he got engine problems on free practice, I tought it will be another terrible weekend for Alonso. I hope finally he will reach finnish finally and maybe get few points. It's his home GP and he deserves a good result.

[Dux2K]

Alonso looked great today, I can't believe he managed to score a 7th place with that car. Unfortunately it seems it's going to be really sunny tomorrow in Spain or so they say, so I think the possibility for him to place high are next to impossible since he would need the chaotic of a rainy day to take advantage of that since he is really good in the rain.

But let's hope he can at least finish. 4 races, 4 car failures. He deserves better.

It's really great result for Alonso. When he got engine problems on free practice, I tought it will be another terrible weekend for Alonso. I hope finally he will reach finnish finally and maybe get few points. It's his home GP and he deserves a good result.

It would be great to see Alonso in top ten this race he is god driver maybe best but he don't have team that can produce good car

[tokeweed]

Who's watching the race right now?  Vettel is widening the gap and is ahead of Hamilton at around 6 seconds or so.  I guess the German is shutting up lots of haters who said he can't race.

I think Mercedes should start talking to him soon.  His contract with Ferrari finishes at the end of the season, right?

[pereira4]

Solid performance by Hamilton, did what he had to do. Alonso finished 12, a very decent result. I was expecting him to fight for points zone but he didn't had a good start.

Poor Raikkonen had a fatal start, that bump in the read broke his wheel.

[swogerino]

This championship looks wide open as who will be the winner this year. Strange enough Ferrari put up a really good fight against Mercedes at a track which clearly favors the silver arrows. I think Ferrari needs to wait for more technical tracks to be positive about a win, at Canada they can't win at all as it is full of straights. I think in the tracks like Nurburgring can try to win.

[LTU_btc]

This championship looks wide open as who will be the winner this year. Strange enough Ferrari put up a really good fight against Mercedes at a track which clearly favors the silver arrows. I think Ferrari needs to wait for more technical tracks to be positive about a win, at Canada they can't win at all as it is full of straights. I think in the tracks like Nurburgring can try to win.

Ferrari often have problems with their strategy. Ferrari often choose not the best time to make pit stop. Today when Hamilton overtaked Vettel, he had big tyres advantage. Mercedes have speed advantage against Ferrari on straights and I agree with, they will have more chances to win at technical tracks.
Today Wehrlein got his first points for Sauber team. Only Mclaren is still without points.

[tokeweed]

WTF happened?  I got too drunk (again) and stopped watching at around lap 30 or so thinking Vettel had it in the bag.  I saw the result and was shocked on how Hamilton finished first.  Gonna watch the replay now.

And it's nice to see Wehrlein finish in the top 10 driving that Sauber.  I feel he'll be driving in a Mercedes in the future partnering with none other than Vettel.

Edit:  Ah it all started in lap 38.  Vettel's exit from the pits and Hamilton closing in...  Classic.

Edit:  Lap 44, Hamilton finally got Vettel who was in the mediums.  Was it the wrong tire choice?

[azguard]

Full Spanish Grand Prix race results following Round 5 of the 2017 World Championship at the Circuit de Catalunya

1. Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes - Mercedes   66 laps
2. Sebastian Vettel   GER   Ferrari - Ferrari   +3.4s
3. Daniel Ricciardo AUS   Red Bull - TAG   +1m 15.8s
4. Sergio Perez   MEX   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
5. Esteban Ocon   FRA   Force India-Mercedes   +1 lap
6. Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault - Renault   +1 lap
7. Carlos Sainz   ESP   Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
8. Pascal Wehrlein   GER   Sauber - Ferrari   +1 lap *
9. Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Toro Rosso-Renault   +1 lap
10. Romain Grosjean FRA   Haas-Ferrari   +1 lap
11. Marcus Ericsson   SWE   Sauber - Ferrari   +2 laps
12. Fernando Alonso   ESP   McLaren-Honda   +2 laps
13. Felipe Massa   BRA   Williams - Mercedes   +2 laps
14. Kevin Magnussen DEN   Haas-Ferrari   +2 laps
15. Jolyon Palmer   GBR   Renault - Renault   +2 laps
16. Lance Stroll   CAN   Williams - Mercedes   +2 laps

Did not finish
17. Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes - Mercedes   39 laps completed
18. Stoffel Vandoorne   BEL   McLaren-Honda   34 laps completed
19. Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Ferrari - Ferrari   0 laps completed
20. Max Verstappen NED   Red Bull - TAG   0 laps completed

[Dux2K]

Not good race for Vettel,  bad tactics was problem and shame that Alonso got hit at start after that he didn't find the rhythm.

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 5 races:

Vettel          104
Hamilton       98   -6
Bottas          63   -41
Raikkonen    49   -55
Ricciardo      37   -67
Verstappen   35   -69
Perez           34   -70
Ocon            19   -85
Massa          18    -86
Sainz           17    -87



Standings Teams after 5 races:

 
Mercedes   161
Ferrari       153
Red Bull      72
Force India  53
Toro Rosso  21
Williams    , 18
Renault       14
Haas            9
Sauber         4

Head to head until the end of the season between Hamilton and Vettel.
Raikkonen and Bottas after five races confirm that they are inferior to Hamilton and Vettel.
Nice challenge for the fifth place between Ricciardo, Verstappen and Perez

[ArdiPrabowo]

Standings Drivers after 5 races:

Vettel          104
Hamilton       98   -6
Bottas          63   -41
Raikkonen    49   -55
Ricciardo      37   -67
Verstappen   35   -69
Perez           34   -70
Ocon            19   -85
Massa          18    -86
Sainz           17    -87

amazing is ferari team, can incraese develop is good car
is now ferari is equal wit mercedes, i think until end season batle champhionship hamilton vs vettel

i hope nex time redbull can develop good car too, so is very exciting is 3 team can competition in world championship