[ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer

[beyinsi]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

[Evil-Knievel]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

[wizzardTim]

Thank you for the summary!

You're doing a great work. Keep it up!

[Limx Dev]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Great work....Here is a pic from my DK3 retargeting algorithm.

[HmmMAA]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Thanks for the update EK , keep up the good work !!!

[ttookk]

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The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

I think this calls for bug bounties, doesn't it. Something like

"You break the client and it is not due to complete inaptitude: 0.3 BTC",
"You break the network: 0.7 BTC",
"You break it, show how and others can reproduce it: 1 BTC",
"You abuse the retargetting algorithm or other parts of Elastic network: 1 BTC",
"You come up with another solution: 2 BTC",
"Your solution turns out to be the best: 5 BTC".

The numbers are arbitrary, as are the exact conditions regarding how to win a bounty, but maybe it's a start.

[coralreefer]

The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Hi EK, if you post your updates to a branch I'll test the retargetting this weekend when I'm working on the miner.

[ImI]

(…)

The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

I think this calls for bug bounties, doesn't it. Something like

"You break the client and it is not due to complete inaptitude: 0.3 BTC",
"You break the network: 0.7 BTC",
"You break it, show how and others can reproduce it: 1 BTC",
"You abuse the retargetting algorithm or other parts of Elastic network: 1 BTC",
"You come up with another solution: 2 BTC",
"Your solution turns out to be the best: 5 BTC".

The numbers are arbitrary, as are the exact conditions regarding how to win a bounty, but maybe it's a start.

sounds good to me

[chinadaye]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Great work

Whether to consider the development of smart phone client, the world's billions of smart phones, these phones together can provide a very powerful computing power, and most of the time in the night, these computing power is idle, if intelligent Mobile mining on the run, it will bring a huge number of users.

[m4nki]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Yes, thanks for that summary!

[cryptodv]

Hello Lannister, I've sent you several messages via bitmessage. Is there any other way of contacting you?

[inlovewith]

Can you play Crysis on this Super Computer?

[daylox]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

What testing methods do you use? Function testing, automated testing or performance testing?

[lda1000]

too much tecnical discussions...

What percentages ~ of the XEL project  completed? tell us for normal xel followers,

ek, pls make a summary for us

Hi beyinsi,

my personal point of view is that perhaps 90% are done. The remaining 10% are mostly details (e.g., the retargeting algorithm) which we all discussed on the last pages and still need to come to a consensus.

Website: Check
Blockexplorer: Check
Fast and efficient C based miner: Check
Wallet/Backend functionality: Check
Elastic PL Development Editor: Check
Elastic PL Parser (the core language): Check
Wallet Frontend: Missing parts (Claim from Genesis or Miner overview for example)
The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Thanks for the summary - it's really handy for people that don't follow the forum every day.
Can't wait to run the released software.

Great work.

[Evil-Knievel]

What testing methods do you use? Function testing, automated testing or performance testing?

I think there is no need for performance testing here, since we can assume that the NXT guys already did that so we can simply assume that the code is already peer-reviewed in terms of performance bottlenecks. Our additions at most can increase the overhead by a constant factor which is limited by the maximum allowed WCET.

Function tests, yeah! There are basic unit tests that check for correct block organisation and stuff, but if you ask me ... in my eyes the whole test driven development is just an illusion. Your tests only test what you can think of, they are no super intelligent AI logic. So if you cannot imagine (or see) all the different kinds of ways a system might be attacked, than your unit tests will test for them either.

What I am trying to say is: you can write 10000 unit tests which will all succeed but your software might still be riddled with holes like a Swiss cheese.

IMHO the only correct way to "test" is excessively trying to break the system. This is nothing a function or unit test can ever achieve 

[Evil-Knievel]

The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Hi EK, if you post your updates to a branch I'll test the retargetting this weekend when I'm working on the miner.

Sorry, I'm afraid I can push the changes not earlier than tomorrow evening. My internet connection was (and is) pretty limited as I am on the go right now. Taking the train tomorrow morning back home, and then I will sync everything. Until then, I am trying out several other ideas for the retargeting that I had ... I have written a small python "retargeting simulator" which will test the retargeting in various different scenarios. I will make that one public too, tomorrow!

Hope the Donna64 extension that I submitted to your miner turned out to be working fine 

[Evil-Knievel]

Can you play Crysis on this Super Computer?

If you mange to show, that the problem of "Playing Crysis" can be somehow reduced to a knowingly NP-complete problem, such as e.g. the Hamiltonian cycle problem, I am pretty sure you could then (somehow) express it as a brute force search over a 384 bit search space. If you succeed with that, chances are in your favor that you'll be able to play Crysis on this super computer!

[coralreefer]

The retargeting algorithm: Done, but not sure if flawed. Discussion is still open here

And of course testing testing testing ;-)

Hi EK, if you post your updates to a branch I'll test the retargetting this weekend when I'm working on the miner.

Sorry, I'm afraid I can push the changes not earlier than tomorrow evening. My internet connection was (and is) pretty limited as I am on the go right now. Taking the train tomorrow morning back home, and then I will sync everything. Until then, I am trying out several other ideas for the retargeting that I had ... I have written a small python "retargeting simulator" which will test the retargeting in various different scenarios. I will make that one public too, tomorrow!

Hope the Donna64 extension that I submitted to your miner turned out to be working fine 

Take your time on the retargetting updates.  In my opinion this is still the number one open issue we need to get nailed down right now so no need to rush.  The Donna64 extension worked great...thx for the tip!  Also, I redid my crypto logic so now I have a single build for the miner and crypto lib.  Unless you have any suggestions on an alternate approach for the alogs, I'll move forward incorporating them into this design.  Either way, it won't be hard to change it later.

[ttookk]

Can you play Crysis on this Super Computer?

If you mange to show, that the problem of "Playing Crysis" can be somehow reduced to a knowingly NP-complete problem, such as e.g. the Hamiltonian cycle problem, I am pretty sure you could then (somehow) express it as a brute force search over a 384 bit search space. If you succeed with that, chances are in your favor that you'll be able to play Crysis on this super computer!

Wow… Sounds a little far fetched at the moment and kinda off-topic, but just imagine what you could do if you could borrow computing power in real time and play a super complex, high definition game over it… I'd imagine a lot of people would pay good money for it.

Combine this with something similar to Upsilon Circuit and… well, need I say more?


I want E-Ks quote above written in calligraphy, to hang it on a wall, by the way. 

[allwelder]

Any timeline for working client release?
Thanks.