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Why would you freeze the account in the first place, just let it between the police and the ftards that send their bitcoin to a random dude on the interweb.
I don't know laws of your country of residence, but in my country I have the right to stop a crime if I have reasons to think a crime is happening. Even more, I get extra protection from the law in this case. So I took an active position in this very case by providing technical assistance to the company which sold iotas. You guys have made up your mind, which is your perogative since it is your project. I wanted to express my concerns and opinion on the matter and possible problems that could emerge out of this action. In my country a judge discides if a crime has been committed. |
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June 26, 2016, 03:37:33 PM |
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In my country a judge discides if a crime has been committed.
How does the police decide if they should put handcuffs on someone in the first place? I bet a judge is not involved. |
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Seccour (OP)
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June 26, 2016, 03:40:53 PM |
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I have decided that we will freeze CH's account for a month, if he comes back in the meantime and clears everything up and makes good on his promises that's fine, if not we will complete the trades on his behalf.
Whether his abscence is because he's a scammer or something occured in his life is quite irrelevant, what we do know is that he took the effort to delete all his accounts, meaning he did not just fall into a coma or was forcibly admitted to a mental asylum, it was a deliberative and conscious decision on his part, while he was 100% aware of the fact that he had a lot of pending trades. CH was always a troll and instigator of drama, I am whole-heartedly convinced that he does not care at all about IOTA, he cares soley about his own potential for profit and executed what seems to be a scam on the naive and inexperienced in order to achieve the biggest amount of profit he could get, then he decided to vanish.
This decision is made due to the fact that we want as many good active people in IOTA as possible, and it seems he got a long list of victims. I expect these people to be active contributors to the IOTA ecosystem.
As for those worried about legal issues, CH is welcome to try to take legal action on a refunded software sale here in Norway if he feels he has a case ( he does not ).
And those who bring up the tired argument of decentralization vs centralization: IOTA hasn't been released yet, thus it's not decentralized yet, it's a moot point. After IOTA is live it will permanently be impossible for us to alter anything, this is 'written in code'.
Finally to those talking about the PRINCIPLE, I will repeat once more; IOTA is a distributed ledger project focused on achieving a tech standard in Internet-of-Things and other areas that require a scalable, flexible ledger with no fees, it's decentralized as a necessity of this economy being trustless, but it's not some anarcho-capitalist movement about principles, if you want that I suggest Bitcoin.
Its your decision, but i don't understand why you made the problems of stupid people to yours. You are often very rude to the people here in the forum and in this case you are the good samaritan. I think this the best outcome @iotatoken thanks for being considerate to the newer users who i don't think are stupid, just naive to how it all works. This shows that you have the users best interests in mind and is a great way of showing your intentions to do right by us. I look forward to the launch. Kind Regards, FT Giving money to a complete stranger over the internet ( that is btw a complete alcoholic and an asshole ) is not being naive. It's being stupid. |
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LitcoinCollector
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June 26, 2016, 03:58:47 PM |
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In my country a judge discides if a crime has been committed.
How does the police decide if they should put handcuffs on someone in the first place? I bet a judge is not involved. We have the trias politica. Police enforce laws made by the government. They don't descide if an actual crime was committed because everybody is innocent until proven guilty, this is where the judge come in to play to descide if the alledged crime is in fact a crime. This is to prevent an absolute authoroty. |
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June 26, 2016, 04:02:07 PM |
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I never thought I would say this, but I encourage everyone to just go back on the topic of speculation that this thread is for. CH was an asshole, some people were dumb to trust him, we have decided to 'fix it' and not devote more time to this issue.
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June 26, 2016, 04:22:10 PM |
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What was the price of 1 IOTA in the ico stage? Btw, what is with giota, I mean only 1 billion iota was sold....
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June 26, 2016, 04:27:42 PM |
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What was the price of 1 IOTA in the ico stage? Btw, what is with giota, I mean only 1 billion iota was sold....
the price of the ICO doesnt matter anymore. We are in a different planet now. |
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June 26, 2016, 04:44:25 PM |
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I have decided that we will freeze CH's account for a month, if he comes back in the meantime and clears everything up and makes good on his promises that's fine, if not we will complete the trades on his behalf.
Whether his abscence is because he's a scammer or something occured in his life is quite irrelevant, what we do know is that he took the effort to delete all his accounts, meaning he did not just fall into a coma or was forcibly admitted to a mental asylum, it was a deliberative and conscious decision on his part, while he was 100% aware of the fact that he had a lot of pending trades. CH was always a troll and instigator of drama, I am whole-heartedly convinced that he does not care at all about IOTA, he cares soley about his own potential for profit and executed what seems to be a scam on the naive and inexperienced in order to achieve the biggest amount of profit he could get, then he decided to vanish.
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June 26, 2016, 04:54:59 PM |
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What was the price of 1 IOTA in the ico stage? Btw, what is with giota, I mean only 1 billion iota was sold....
In the crowdsale we used a very easy to comprehend number to make buying as easy as possible for users. I.E. 1 billion, but this was just a 'placeholder' number. Then as we started development we naturally evolved it to be optimized for programmers and efficiency of the network, this gave rise to the new number: 2779530283277761 aka: 2.77 Peta-iotas (Pi), but everyone still got their exact same proportionate percentages, so it's not inflation, just change of numbers terminology. We use the scientific SI system which is universally used across the globe, thus making it way easier to comprehend for developers and users than some made up terms like 'Wei, 'Shannon' 'Satoshis' etc. You are probably already familiar with from storage with Kilobyte, Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte, Petabyte and so on. In IOTA we got: iotas (i) = any number from 1 to 999. Kilo-iota (Ki) = 1 000 = 10^3 Mega-iota (Mi) = 1 000 000 = 10^6 Giga-iota (Gi) = 1 000 000 000 = 10^9 Tera-iota (Ti) = 1 000 000 000 000 = 10^12 Peta-iota (Pi) = 1 000 000 000 000 000 = 10^15. |
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June 26, 2016, 04:56:20 PM |
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What was the price of 1 IOTA in the ico stage? Btw, what is with giota, I mean only 1 billion iota was sold....
the price of the ICO doesnt matter anymore. We are in a different planet now. It does matter - this is a speculation thread. Anyone wishing to speculate would be wise to find out where it started. |
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June 26, 2016, 07:00:27 PM |
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BTW this thread is turning into something completely different than the intended topic. I think you guys should create a separate thread if you want to talk about CH.
@CFB I highly recommend getting CK's seed if possible. I HOPE he's not a scammer but I feel he is.
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June 26, 2016, 07:11:02 PM |
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@CFB I highly recommend getting CK's seed if possible. I HOPE he's not a scammer but I feel he is.
How can I get his seed? |
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June 26, 2016, 07:12:51 PM |
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Get your horse up to the gates. Official Greenlight Imminent!!
Do you know the gravity of the first successful Tangle ledger? Iota going great, holders claiming, transfers occuring. Your Iotas will be sent at launch when risk of rollback, etc are cleared.
It will easily be in the Top 10. Look at Lisk!, It will pale in comparison to Iota.
Do the math!!!
125G Iota per batch.
(125,000,000,000 iota) or 44,972 for those learning new notations
.75 BTC per Batch
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OLD NEW PRICE
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 2 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 3,125G IOTA BTC Mr. E straight-sale
NEW 625G IOTA 3 BTC Olloman straight-sale
SPECIAL OFFER
Buy 4 BATCHES AND GET ONE FREE!!
Congrats to Niemand for his two batch purchase
Thanks for the business!!
You too, can still squeak in at the last moment and join us as an early adopter!!! Be Smart and ......
BUY NOW!!!
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achimsmile
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June 26, 2016, 08:12:13 PM |
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What was the price of 1 IOTA in the ico stage? Btw, what is with giota, I mean only 1 billion iota was sold....
In the crowdsale we used a very easy to comprehend number to make buying as easy as possible for users. I.E. 1 billion, but this was just a 'placeholder' number. Then as we started development we naturally evolved it to be optimized for programmers and efficiency of the network, this gave rise to the new number: 2779530283277761 aka: 2.77 Peta-iotas (Pi), but everyone still got their exact same proportionate percentages, so it's not inflation, just change of numbers terminology. We use the scientific SI system which is universally used across the globe, thus making it way easier to comprehend for developers and users than some made up terms like 'Wei, 'Shannon' 'Satoshis' etc. You are probably already familiar with from storage with Kilobyte, Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte, Petabyte and so on. In IOTA we got: iotas (i) = any number from 1 to 999. Kilo-iota (Ki) = 1 000 = 10^3 Mega-iota (Mi) = 1 000 000 = 10^6 Giga-iota (Gi) = 1 000 000 000 = 10^9 Tera-iota (Ti) = 1 000 000 000 000 = 10^12 Peta-iota (Pi) = 1 000 000 000 000 000 = 10^15. Just noticed that in the client I can choose if I want to send i, Ki, Mi, Gi or Ti. Nice and convenient! |
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Seccour (OP)
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June 26, 2016, 08:41:41 PM |
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Get your horse up to the gates. Official Greenlight Imminent!!
Do you know the gravity of the first successful Tangle ledger? Iota going great, holders claiming, transfers occuring. Your Iotas will be sent at launch when risk of rollback, etc are cleared.
It will easily be in the Top 10. Look at Lisk!, It will pale in comparison to Iota.
Do the math!!!
125G Iota per batch.
(125,000,000,000 iota) or 44,972 for those learning new notations
.75 BTC per Batch
===================================================
OLD NEW PRICE
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 2 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 3,125G IOTA BTC Mr. E straight-sale
NEW 625G IOTA 3 BTC Olloman straight-sale
SPECIAL OFFER
Buy 4 BATCHES AND GET ONE FREE!!
Congrats to Niemand for his two batch purchase
Thanks for the business!!
You too, can still squeak in at the last moment and join us as an early adopter!!! Be Smart and ......
BUY NOW!!!
How many IOTAs do you have ? Because you already sold more than 12 Ti and that's a lot of IOTAs. |
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June 26, 2016, 09:22:14 PM |
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Get your horse up to the gates. Official Greenlight Imminent!!
Do you know the gravity of the first successful Tangle ledger? Iota going great, holders claiming, transfers occuring. Your Iotas will be sent at launch when risk of rollback, etc are cleared.
It will easily be in the Top 10. Look at Lisk!, It will pale in comparison to Iota.
Do the math!!!
125G Iota per batch.
(125,000,000,000 iota) or 44,972 for those learning new notations
.75 BTC per Batch
===================================================
OLD NEW PRICE
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 2 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 3,125G IOTA BTC Mr. E straight-sale
NEW 625G IOTA 3 BTC Olloman straight-sale
SPECIAL OFFER
Buy 4 BATCHES AND GET ONE FREE!!
Congrats to Niemand for his two batch purchase
Thanks for the business!!
You too, can still squeak in at the last moment and join us as an early adopter!!! Be Smart and ......
BUY NOW!!!
How many IOTAs do you have ? Because you already sold more than 12 Ti and that's a lot of IOTAs. And how many times did he said it was his last batch...  |
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June 26, 2016, 09:26:18 PM |
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those two fuckheads really annoyed me with their silly style of selling their stuff. now i know why.
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June 26, 2016, 09:45:15 PM |
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those two fuckheads really annoyed me with their silly style of selling their stuff. now i know why.
wasn't cryptoknightt using escrow for his trades? |
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ImI
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June 26, 2016, 09:51:47 PM |
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those two fuckheads really annoyed me with their silly style of selling their stuff. now i know why.
wasn't cryptoknightt using escrow for his trades? does that look like escrow to you?  22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Skormie straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Wesgen straight-sale
46,000 NOW 127,858,426,000 1.50 BTC peer2peer360 Seccour
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC peer2peer360 straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC csdndownload straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC nextblast straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC CryptoMrM straight-sale
22,500 NOW 62,539,447,500 0.75 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
120,000 NOW 333,543,720,000 2.80 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
90,000 NOW 250,157,790,000 2.10 BTC Nanuk straight-sale
218,602 NOW 607,611,035,662 5.10 BTC Nextblast straight-sale
180,000 NOW 500,315,580,000 4.20 BTC passtracker straight-sale
270,000 NOW 750,473,370,000 5.70 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC AlphaDet straight-sale
100,000 NOW 277,953,100,000 1.90 BTC Emperor of Man straight-sale
150,000 NOW 416,929,650,000 2.85 BTC Aragoon straight-sale
50,000 NOW 138,976,550,000 0.95 BTC Termie straight-sale
45,000 NOW 125,078,895,000 0.95 BTC BlackFor3st straight-sale
500,000 NOW 1,389,765,500,000 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
PRIVATE DEAL 28.5 BTC Bubbletea789 straight-sale
NEW 750G IOTA 5 BTC Ruiz straight-sale
NEW 375G IOTA 2.55 BTC arjen01 straight-sale
NEW 500G IOTA 3.4 BTC bitcoinuserz straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC CryptKeeper straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA 0.85 BTC koYnsta straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 1.7 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 125G IOTA .8 BTC Bloomsy straight-sale
NEW 300G IOTA 2 BTC VanLan straight-sale
NEW 250G IOTA 2 BTC Niemand straight-sale
NEW 3,125G IOTA BTC Mr. E straight-sale
NEW 625G IOTA 3 BTC Olloman straight-sale
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twistelaar
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June 26, 2016, 10:05:32 PM |
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once again! cryptoknight refused to use escrow and somebody else also posted that cryptoknight refuses to use escrow.
NEVER buy without escrow, unless you are damn sure that it is legit.
He is also the ONLY one here lowering his prices, while there are more and more releases.
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