Syscoin vs Bitbay

[dadon]

thats the biggest load of shit i have ever heard hahaha....any proof to those claims?

[dadon]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

BTW i invested in SDC like 2 years ago and i never got ripped off so please explain what you are talking about the shady background of bitbay and sys are facts yes we had a small bug in our code that was fixed without a problem and we upgraded to pos 2.0 at the same time we fixed it...so....what are you talking about?

[dadon]

Here we go mate! I made a thread specially for all the people who you say got ripped off by SDC to voice their disgust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new

i will be waiting to see who got ripped off... hey if we got nothing to hide lets make these accusations..really...really..public.

[dadon]

I sure hope you got your facts straight or your going to lose a lot of credibility...and im going to keep bumping that thread....

[Munti]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

BTW i invested in SDC like 2 years ago and i never got ripped off so please explain what you are talking about the shady background of bitbay and sys are facts yes we had a small bug in our code that was fixed without a problem and we upgraded to pos 2.0 at the same time we fixed it...so....what are you talking about?

I'd say the question is what are you talking about? This is a thread that discusses differences between Syscoin and BitBay. Preferably in a respectful manner. So far I haven't seen you contribute to that discussion at all. Maybe you should let your team mate from sdc Kewde, inspire you. He was able to make some interesting contributions to the discussion. I believe that had a much better marketing effect for sdc than what you are doing.

[sickandtired]

Here we go mate! I made a thread specially for all the people who you say got ripped off by SDC to voice their disgust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new

i will be waiting to see who got ripped off...

Lol at this shadowcrash team, instead of delivering an overdue market you were suppose to bring out since early 2015,
instead of answer the questions of concerned users about the "market" (so far vaporware as have not delivered anything at all)
without being opensource at all (everything done on closed code, no other user can really do anything) so if that is not centralized
I dont know what is it, you fight every other project that is not shadow, ShadowCrash has become the cancer of Crypto.

And now you come to other projects that are really working hard, just to try get some PR for your ShadowCrash scam.
It lasted long already dont you think, either shut up and deliver what you offered or gtfo and continue to play your community as dumbs.

After all they ve been waiting for a year for a non existent market, and instead of focusing the resources to finish and
give the investors some trust, you just answer to any investor that asks about it: "Go dump, developers work for free they dont owe you a thing"

You guys are a joke  

[dadon]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

BTW i invested in SDC like 2 years ago and i never got ripped off so please explain what you are talking about the shady background of bitbay and sys are facts yes we had a small bug in our code that was fixed without a problem and we upgraded to pos 2.0 at the same time we fixed it...so....what are you talking about?

I'd say the question is what are talking about? This is a thread that discusses differences between Syscoin and BitBay. Preferably in a respectful manner. So far I haven't seen you contribute to that discussion at all. Maybe you should let your team mate from sdc Kewde, inspire you. He was able to make some interesting contributions to the discussion. I believe that had a much better marketing effect for sdc than what you are doing.

Im not trying to market SDC that shit is pointless...you are all invested in your own thing the fact is sdc gets ignored and its a legitmate project...maybe we need to re-read the OP!

I'm rather new to the altcoin scene and after a few days of looking at which coins to invest in i decided on ones that are working on decentralized marketplaces as I feel that's where there could be a  future for altcoins. I found and invested in Syscoin and Bitbay and both seen to be at the same stages of development but the difference in marketcap is huge? Bitbay is something like 12% of Syscoins price! Is the only difference here marketing? or that Syscoin is on Poloniex and Bitbay isn't?
 sounds like he want's investment advice to me...sdc is cheaper and imo better...why wouldn't i suggest it.

[dadon]

Here we go mate! I made a thread specially for all the people who you say got ripped off by SDC to voice their disgust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new

i will be waiting to see who got ripped off...

Lol at this shadowcrash team, instead of delivering an overdue market you were suppose to bring out since early 2015,
instead of answer the questions of concerned users about the "market" (so far vaporware as have not delivered anything at all)
without being opensource at all (everything done on closed code, no other user can really do anything) so if that is not centralized
I dont know what is it, you fight every other project that is not shadow, ShadowCrash has become the cancer of Crypto.

And now you come to other projects that are really working hard, just to try get some PR for your ShadowCrash scam.
It lasted long already dont you think, either shut up and deliver what you offered or gtfo and continue to play your community as dumbs.

After all they ve been waiting for a year for a non existent market, and instead of focusing the resources to finish and
give the investors some trust, you just answer to any investor that asks about it: "Go dump, developers work for free they dont owe you a thing"

You guys are a joke  

You say scam wheres your proof...iv'e been buying BTC since 2011...you act like im naive haha you make me laugh...and close source everything....you are too much...i swear to god...you have 11 posts have you been in crypto for a week? sdc completly closed source are you joking me?

[sickandtired]

Here we go mate! I made a thread specially for all the people who you say got ripped off by SDC to voice their disgust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new

i will be waiting to see who got ripped off...

Lol at this shadowcrash team, instead of delivering an overdue market you were suppose to bring out since early 2015,
instead of answer the questions of concerned users about the "market" (so far vaporware as have not delivered anything at all)
without being opensource at all (everything done on closed code, no other user can really do anything) so if that is not centralized
I dont know what is it, you fight every other project that is not shadow, ShadowCrash has become the cancer of Crypto.

And now you come to other projects that are really working hard, just to try get some PR for your ShadowCrash scam.
It lasted long already dont you think, either shut up and deliver what you offered or gtfo and continue to play your community as dumbs.

After all they ve been waiting for a year for a non existent market, and instead of focusing the resources to finish and
give the investors some trust, you just answer to any investor that asks about it: "Go dump, developers work for free they dont owe you a thing"

You guys are a joke  

You say scam wheres your proof...iv'e been buying BTC since 2011...you act like im naive haha you make me laugh...and close source everything....you are too much...i swear to god...you have 11 posts have you been in crypto for a week? sdc completly closed source are you joking me?

see, there you go to play dumb again, its clearly stated we were talking about your supposedly "Shadow Market"
where is the opensource code?

See, now you will just invent another excuse.. Know the history, you guys are hilarious

[dadon]

Here we go mate! I made a thread specially for all the people who you say got ripped off by SDC to voice their disgust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new

i will be waiting to see who got ripped off...

Lol at this shadowcrash team, instead of delivering an overdue market you were suppose to bring out since early 2015,
instead of answer the questions of concerned users about the "market" (so far vaporware as have not delivered anything at all)
without being opensource at all (everything done on closed code, no other user can really do anything) so if that is not centralized
I dont know what is it, you fight every other project that is not shadow, ShadowCrash has become the cancer of Crypto.

And now you come to other projects that are really working hard, just to try get some PR for your ShadowCrash scam.
It lasted long already dont you think, either shut up and deliver what you offered or gtfo and continue to play your community as dumbs.

After all they ve been waiting for a year for a non existent market, and instead of focusing the resources to finish and
give the investors some trust, you just answer to any investor that asks about it: "Go dump, developers work for free they dont owe you a thing"

You guys are a joke  

You say scam wheres your proof...iv'e been buying BTC since 2011...you act like im naive haha you make me laugh...and close source everything....you are too much...i swear to god...you have 11 posts have you been in crypto for a week? sdc completly closed source are you joking me?

see, there you go to play dumb again, its clearly stated we were talking about your supposedly "Shadow Market"
where is the opensource code?

See, now you will just invent another excuse.. Know the history, you guys are hilarious

uhmmmm the shadowmarket hasnt been released yet? its about to go into Alpha you can check the source then

[cryptohunter]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

BTW i invested in SDC like 2 years ago and i never got ripped off so please explain what you are talking about the shady background of bitbay and sys are facts yes we had a small bug in our code that was fixed without a problem and we upgraded to pos 2.0 at the same time we fixed it...so....what are you talking about?

Let's analyse the facts.

1. the shady past. - so we've ruled out the ethical pariah due to bitbay (dev and community) being scammed not the scammers.
                         - so now you say well if the community and david were scammed then that is now reason not to trust them with future decisions?
That makes no sense. One David is now in control and is the sole coder. If anything this will make him 100x more careful and less trusting. You are therefore left assuming david must be stupid and will again let himself be scammed and not take all precautions above and beyond what any other smart person would take. Perhaps you need to have a public debate with david to see how smart he is now that you are alleging he must be stupid and will be more likely to be scammed again than any other smart person?


2. the small bug?? - well as I heard it. The small bug was not a small bug. The person that found it said that huge amount of anonymous data was not anonymous any more? is that not correct?? I mean if that was correct on a anonymous market place I'm sure that would not be classed as a small??? I also heard  they stole code from eclipse to solve their issues. Of course this could all be false and no truth there at all?

If you want to compare the current tech of these 3 projects then go ahead.

[dadon]

Anybody who got ripped by the supposed sdc scam can post their proof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new ...still waiting

[sickandtired]

Anybody who got ripped by the supposed sdc scam can post their proof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new ...still waiting

No need, there is an uncensored thread already:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1200091.new#new

No one will fall in your game and pathetic attempt of bringing Shadowcrash some pr.

Drops the Mic, Im out.

[dadon]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

BTW i invested in SDC like 2 years ago and i never got ripped off so please explain what you are talking about the shady background of bitbay and sys are facts yes we had a small bug in our code that was fixed without a problem and we upgraded to pos 2.0 at the same time we fixed it...so....what are you talking about?

Let's analyse the facts.

1. the shady past. - so we've ruled out the ethical pariah due to bitbay (dev and community) being scammed not the scammers.
                         - so now you say well if the community and david were scammed then that is now reason not to trust them with future decisions?
That makes no sense. One David is now in control and is the sole coder. If anything this will make him 100x more careful and less trusting. You are therefore left assuming david must be stupid and will again let himself be scammed and not take all precautions above and beyond what any other smart person would take. Perhaps you need to have a public debate with david to see how smart he is now that you are alleging he must be stupid and will be more likely to be scammed again than any other smart person?


2. the small bug?? - well as I heard it. The small bug was not a small bug. The person that found it said that huge amount of anonymous data was not anonymous any more? is that not correct?? I mean if that was correct on a anonymous market place I'm sure that would not be classed as a small buy when droves of people are herded into prison? I also heard  they stole code from eclipse to solve their issues. Of course this could all be false and no truth there at all?

If you want to compare the current tech of these 3 projects then go ahead.


So now we

1. your devs got there communitys money ripped off because they are stupid i never said not to trust them just that they shouldnt be trusted with anyones hard earned money..because they have already proven tht there too stupid to trust with it and thats evident because people got ripped off.
2.
the bug took like less then 2 weeks to fix and they released the fix with pos 2 so wasn't that big...clearly....and no body was using the anon transactions hahaha the market hasn't been released...nobody's sensitive information was leaked?? and that was the reason their was a bug bounty...because the devs are busy...the bug bounty was paid..and it's not an issue anymore..being busy an overlooking minor issues that can turn into bigger ones..is a mistake anyone can make..intelligent or stupid...blind following is only reserved for one of those two

[dadon]

Anybody who got ripped by the supposed sdc scam can post their proof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new ...still waiting

No need, there is an uncensored thread already:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1200091.new#new

No one will fall in your game and pathetic attempt of bringing Shadowcrash some pr.

Drops the Mic, Im out.

oh drops the mic.... well they can post it here also then..still yet too see anyone come forward..im sure you will rally a few sock puppet accounts soon no doubt

[dadon]

I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread

[cryptohunter]

Anybody who got ripped by the supposed sdc scam can post their proof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new ...still waiting

No need, there is an uncensored thread already:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1200091.new#new

No one will fall in your game and pathetic attempt of bringing Shadowcrash some pr.

Drops the Mic, Im out.

oh drops the mic.... well they can post it here also then..still yet too see anyone come forward..im sure you will rally a few sock puppet accounts soon no doubt

Nobody cares about your silly thread. It's a matter of perspective really. I don't have a big issue with SDC and have some in my collection. However you need to be more friendly in your discussions. You can't expect friendly back when you come over so hostile.

However if you invest in something you think is solid and you have faith in the devs ability to code. If that code has a bug and you lose financially then...... let's say it's not a positive thing.

Let's continue with the techincal and features comparison between the 3 projects  if you wish to join the syscoin vs bitbay thread. No need to take a cordial discussion and turn it into a war zone.

[dadon]

Anybody who got ripped by the supposed sdc scam can post their proof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473778.new#new ...still waiting

No need, there is an uncensored thread already:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1200091.new#new

No one will fall in your game and pathetic attempt of bringing Shadowcrash some pr.

Drops the Mic, Im out.

oh drops the mic.... well they can post it here also then..still yet too see anyone come forward..im sure you will rally a few sock puppet accounts soon no doubt

Nobody cares about your silly thread. It's a matter of perspective really. I don't have a big issue with SDC and have some in my collection. However you need to be more friendly in your discussions. You can't expect friendly back when you come over so hostile.

However if you invest in something you think is solid and you have faith in the devs ability to code. If that code has a bug and you lose financially then...... let's say it's not a positive thing.

Let's continue with the techincal and features comparison between the 3 projects  if you wish to join the syscoin vs bitbay thread. No need to take a cordial discussion and turn it into a war zone.

Crypto hunter im going to quote what you just wrote about SDC to show the world how utterly bi-polar you are

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

If you seek to make fair comparison now based on the tech of the projects at this date then fair enough. If you seek go outside of this and add other factors to the comparison then we must do the same. Your usual posting style is not suitable to cordial discussion. Tone it down else get the same in return.

[dadon]

Now you claim to have no issue with SDC just the devs that you accused of ripping people off...are you mentally stable? serious question..because that was complete bi-polar shit
and btw i was talking fairly civilized too until someone tried to censor me on the internet on a thread he did not start..this is crypto..crypto is full of people like me who actually believe in things like free speach! check my post history see if i troll other coins threads...i don't..i don't need too.

[cryptohunter]

I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread

I don't want you to give me back the thread. The thread is not yours to give.

1.This was not just a pump and dump this was theft and fraud involving a complicit exchange. In theory since the tokens are almost at ico level the only person scammed was david now. He has worked essential for nothing for years to rectify this. This point of attack is weak at best and pathetic at worst. I mean the counter argument to this is a/ it will make an already smart person even less trusting than a person that has not been scammed and made to pay for it with years of his life. b/ it demonstrates just how trustworthy and hardworking he is and what morals he has. It totally nullifys your point and reverses it into a strength for the project.

2. syscoin i think was ripped off by an exchange too. But i am not so familiar with their story

3. I said I'd heard and that it could be a conspiracy theory not that the bug was intentional. However with that being said if you invest in something you are told is anonymous and it turned out it was not anonymous you have been scammed or duped. If you lost your anonymous position and that landed you in prison that could be an issue. If you lost money because the market dipped on this news and you bailed then again you have lost. Either way to me ANY bugs like that in such a sensitive project are NOT positives.


Now either join the technical discussion of the projects where they are now or keep trying to bring in the past it's your choice but I would say sys and bay have less to worry about in the past than shadowcrash.  So let's all get along and stick to the comparison of the projects in current form.