Syscoin vs Bitbay

[dadon]

1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting

[cryptohunter]

Now you claim to have no issue with SDC just the devs that you accused of ripping people off...are you mentally stable? serious question..because that was complete bi-polar shit
and btw i was talking fairly civilized too until someone tried to censor me on the internet on a thread he did not start..this is crypto..crypto is full of people like me who actually believe in things like free speach! check my post history see if i troll other coins threads...i don't..i don't need too.

I said I'd heard and it may be a conspiracy theory. Please read the post again. I have explained why an investor could feel scammed even if the bug was a genuine misake. It's a case of perspective.

I can't keep repeating myself. If you read all of my posts it will become clear, if not then just assume I have bi-polar, makes no different to me or him.

I see it as a weakness that you are not able to discuss the projects in their current form regardless of them being stolen from in the past or having code bugs. It seems you do not feel the sdc project can compete on its current merits alone? or do you?

[dadon]

Now you claim to have no issue with SDC just the devs that you accused of ripping people off...are you mentally stable? serious question..because that was complete bi-polar shit
and btw i was talking fairly civilized too until someone tried to censor me on the internet on a thread he did not start..this is crypto..crypto is full of people like me who actually believe in things like free speach! check my post history see if i troll other coins threads...i don't..i don't need too.

I said I'd heard and it may be a conspiracy theory. Please read the post again. I have explained why an investor could feel scammed even if the bug was a genuine misake. It's a case of perspective.

I can't keep repeating myself. If you read all of my posts it will become clear, if not then just assume I have bi-polar, makes no different to me or him.

I see it as a weakness that you are not able to discuss the projects in their current form regardless of them being stolen from in the past or having code bugs. It seems you do not feel the sdc project can compete on its current merits alone? or do you?

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

^^^
Who is this

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.

If you seek to make fair comparison now based on the tech of the projects at this date then fair enough. If you seek go outside of this and add other factors to the comparison then we must do the same. Your usual posting style is not suitable to cordial discussion. Tone it down else get the same in return.

[cryptohunter]

1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting

1. that's your choice - i wish others shared those sentiments.
2. you seem to care because you keep bringing it up?
3. you need improve on your comprehension ( and spelling). Matter of perspective.

it is 'you're disgusting'

I'm sorry you feel that way

[dadon]

so if sdc investors got ripped off because we had a bug...does tht mean bitbay investors got ripped off because they invested their money into a project they thought was solid when it was just a pump and dump?...because sdc devs didn't know the bug was there..and bitbay didn't know bob was going to rip them off (rofl) i remember when i saw bob involved with bitbay..openly!..he was a know scammer then...only 2 things explain that stupidity or deceitfulness....everyone knew about bobsurplus when he got involved with bitbay..everyone who was anyone..your dev either knew or was completely too stupid to handle anyone elses hard earned money....we had a bug! big difference

[dadon]

someone come forward and tell me bob surplus was not a known scammer before bitbay and someone come forward and tell me he wasnt openly involved with the project.. i remember..because i almost bought bitbay till i saw bobsurpluses account..

[dadon]

maybe i should open a thread about bob and if he was a known scammer before bitbay...and if anyone of the early community remember him being active in development..because i do

[dadon]

so what was it..stupidity...or deceit?

[erok]

1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting

1. that's your choice - i wish others shared those sentiments.
2. you seem to care because you keep bringing it up?
3. you need improve on your comprehension ( and spelling). Matter of perspective.

it is 'you're disgusting'

I'm sorry you feel that way

OK y'all are getting off topic af and need some real info here. SDC was deringed due to a bug in the ring sig implementation which means you did exaggerate things cryptohunter. The code is quite good and many improvements have been made which show that sidjwang also doesn't know what hes talking about. He is a pure troll. Stealth addresses were still intact, noone lost funds as in the new eth hack, no one person was even doxxed. All this happened before the market release so no risk really. It only affected a small portion of the chain. It was all patched in less than a week due to an active and smart community and devs.

Dadon cool your jets. DAAAAMN SON quadruple posts... knowwutimean?

I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:

Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?

and

Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.

Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

[dadon]

1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting

1. that's your choice - i wish others shared those sentiments.
2. you seem to care because you keep bringing it up?
3. you need improve on your comprehension ( and spelling). Matter of perspective.

it is 'you're disgusting'

I'm sorry you feel that way

OK y'all are getting off topic af and need some real info here. SDC was deringed due to a bug in the ring sig implementation which means you did exaggerate things cryptohunter. The code is quite good and many improvements have been made which show that sidjwang also doesn't know what hes talking about. He is a pure troll. Stealth addresses were still intact, noone lost funds as in the new eth hack, no one person was even doxxed. All this happened before the market release so no risk really. It only affected a small portion of the chain. It was all patched in less than a week due to an active and smart community and devs.

Dadon cool your jets. DAAAAMN SON quadruple posts... knowwutimean?

I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:

Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?

and

Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.

Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

Yeah your right...but if you want to start throwing accusations around expect them thrown back...sys got there ipo stolen..and bitbay must of knowingly or unwittingly( though i don't know how) associated with a scammer because everyone knew what he was for a long long long time before bitbay... just facts..nothing more nothing less

[cryptohunter]

1. would never be stupid enough to put my money with anyone who would even consider holding an ico..so don't really care your problem
2. since you don't know either don't care either
3. you clearly called the devs scammers i called your dev stupid...my opinion..yours is a baseless accusation almost slander.... your disgusting

1. that's your choice - i wish others shared those sentiments.
2. you seem to care because you keep bringing it up?
3. you need improve on your comprehension ( and spelling). Matter of perspective.

it is 'you're disgusting'

I'm sorry you feel that way

OK y'all are getting off topic af and need some real info here. SDC was deringed due to a bug in the ring sig implementation which means you did exaggerate things cryptohunter. The code is quite good and many improvements have been made which show that sidjwang also doesn't know what hes talking about. He is a pure troll. Stealth addresses were still intact, noone lost funds as in the new eth hack, no one person was even doxxed. All this happened before the market release so no risk really. It only affected a small portion of the chain. It was all patched in less than a week due to an active and smart community and devs.

Dadon cool your jets. DAAAAMN SON quadruple posts... knowwutimean?

I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:

Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?

and

Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.

Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

Yeah your right...but if you want to start throwing accusations around expect them thrown back...sys got there ipo stolen..and bitbay must of knowingly or unwittingly( though i don't know how) associated with a scammer because everyone knew what he was for a long long long time before bitbay... just facts..nothing more nothing less

But it was you that started with the accusations. You simply don't like your caustic approach aimed back at you do you?

Now let's return to the  project comparisons in their current form.

[dadon]

There are other projects like SDC with no ipo no premine no instamine no nothing just small community developments that have done just as much if not more then other coins with shady history's...we managed to get this far without anyone getting ripped off..why couldn't your devs/ maybe because there not quiet as competent i would dare say...the only people who get suckered are the ones who blindly follow things without question...clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

That's why your copy paste code breaks right yup competent devs alright.. you just keep digging further yet you trolls don't stop. Anyways sys essentially had no startup funds and did it just like you claimed sdc did yet actually released something that's working.

 NO he did i just finished it by exposing the fact that bob was known scammer by everyone here way before bitbay got scammed

[erok]

Again I post this with no reply

I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:

Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?

and

Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.

Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

[sidhujag]

I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worsed breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it. TRUST ME I've tried and I laughed my ass off at their tricks

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

[dadon]

I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worked breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it.

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

I'm not a troll if im a troll pull out 10x from my chat history where i troll! i have a lot of posts so shouldn't be too hard.

[dadon]

you got all these accusations..im a troll..sdc tech is shit..sdc dev team are scammers...no proof..all can see that...but what happend to the ICO bro?

[sickandtired]

I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worsed breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it. TRUST ME I've tried and I laughed my ass off at their tricks

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

That is the best advice,

I created a thread as well, i honestly believe shadow has become the cancer of crypto,
everyone in the crypto community can share their vote.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473811.0

[erok]

I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worsed breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it. TRUST ME I've tried and I laughed my ass off at their tricks

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

That is the best advice,

I created a thread as well, i honestly believe shadow has become the cancer of crypto,
everyone in the crypto community can share their vote.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473811.0

Says the shill account that's sole purpose is to troll sdc. Such reputable opinion. Such knowledge.

Again I post this with no reply

I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:

Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?

and

Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.

Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

Still waiting for a real reply from sidjwang.

[dzimbeck]

I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread

Hey I just started reading this thread and it is pretty interesting. Honestly, I think you underestimate how manipulative Bob is.

As anyone who knew anything about Bitbay, it was Steven Dai and Linn who approached me. Not Bob. Bob and Gekko only introduced themselves the day before. You can see this because Bob moronically dumped his chat logs on BCT with the txid of the 500 btc he kept.

When Bay started BTER was still a respected exchange. This was before their cold wallet hack.

I went into the project because of Steven. He promised me Chinese devs, financial support. I figured 5 people working on it made sense. It was not my project. The Halo business model included licensing which obviously now I see as a mistake since that puts my reputation on the line. You live, you learn.

I'm not a trader. I'm a coder and I had no clue who Bob surplus was. I've got better things to do than to waste time on forums. His Skype he goes by International Rob. So we only talked on Skype. Not to mention an investor and Gekko had flown out to China to meet Lin. But like I said I had not met Bob until days before. After meeting him I almost backed out cause he gave me the creeps. But Steven promised me it was okay. He said they would help with marketing as neither he or Lin wanted to do that. Since they only wanted me as project manager it made sense at the time.

So these guys gave me assurance that they were not going to fuck me over. And i did express concerns. Plus Steven paid a deposit on my work in advance. This is old news, you can read Bitbays Reddit and not to mention the news covered this in my favor I might add. Ian Demartino was the only news that desperately wanted to propagandize me. But he was unable to!! He read all of my chat logs, we spent like 5 hours on the phone and he found no proof that I was anything but a coder.

Besides why would I willingly let someone abuse my name and scam me. I'm not anonymous that's the stupidest thing ever. I would have to be masochist or retarded. I assure you I'm neither.

What happened to Bitbay was good old fashioned sabotage. And propaganda. Politics, smear campaigns your typical crap that makes the world as fucked as it is. Propaganda is evil hopefully a special place in hell is reserved for those that partake in it.

By the way, it wasn't less than a couple weeks of hell before I told everyone what went on. I would consider that pretty fast. It's been more than one year since then and I've been coding ever since.

[Wesiematic]

I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread

Hey I just started reading this thread and it is pretty interesting. Honestly, I think you underestimate how manipulative Bob is.

As anyone who knew anything about Bitbay, it was Steven Dai and Linn who approached me. Not Bob. Bob and Gekko only introduced themselves the day before. You can see this because Bob moronically dumped his chat logs on BCT with the txid of the 500 btc he kept.

When Bay started BTER was still a respected exchange. This was before their cold wallet hack.

I went into the project because of Steven. He promised me Chinese devs, financial support. I figured 5 people working on it made sense. It was not my project. The Halo business model included licensing which obviously now I see as a mistake since that puts my reputation on the line. You live, you learn.

I'm not a trader. I'm a coder and I had no clue who Bob surplus was. I've got better things to do than to waste time on forums. His Skype he goes by International Rob. So we only talked on Skype. Not to mention an investor and Gekko had flown out to China to meet Lin. But like I said I had not met Bob until days before. After meeting him I almost backed out cause he gave me the creeps. But Steven promised me it was okay. He said they would help with marketing as neither he or Lin wanted to do that. Since they only wanted me as project manager it made sense at the time.

So these guys gave me assurance that they were not going to fuck me over. And i did express concerns. Plus Steven paid a deposit on my work in advance. This is old news, you can read Bitbays Reddit and not to mention the news covered this in my favor I might add. Ian Demartino was the only news that desperately wanted to propagandize me. But he was unable to!! He read all of my chat logs, we spent like 5 hours on the phone and he found no proof that I was anything but a coder.

Besides why would I willingly let someone abuse my name and scam me. I'm not anonymous that's the stupidest thing ever. I would have to be masochist or retarded. I assure you I'm neither.

What happened to Bitbay was good old fashioned sabotage. And propaganda. Politics, smear campaigns your typical crap that makes the world as fucked as it is. Propaganda is evil hopefully a special place in hell is reserved for those that partake in it.

By the way, it wasn't less than a couple weeks of hell before I told everyone what went on. I would consider that pretty fast. It's been more than one year since then and I've been coding ever since.

Oh yes a year is long in crypto, my memory is coming back, it was a fascinating story.