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August 21, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
 #981

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

 
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August 21, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
 #982

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

We want to make sure WHATEVER we go with, the community agrees it's fair and transparent. So let's get a consensus.

Regarding live video drarwing, this isn’t very efficient, we want an automated provably fair lottery, like we tried to build!

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August 21, 2016, 03:02:57 PM
 #983

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

Using random.org will still be considered as a non provably fair system. It is just the same/smilar as what they did on the Euro Lotteries. If they really want to apply for provably system so, I think they should ask/consult with Rhavar. I think he is the one on this forum who has the greatest knowledge about provably fair mechanism.

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August 21, 2016, 03:03:18 PM
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It is indeed far from the reality, so far I got around 200 mbtc of profit only from the badminton olympics game and of course my bet is not 1 mbtc otherwise I wont be able to get that amount, well he can go figure it himself that. Lotteries is not the only think that keep this sites alive, it is one of the sportsbooks that stand out quite high here
*Thing. [get your grammar right before coming up with useless lines]

This website is nothing but a scam run by BTC-Agency [Antonio] like their other grand kids,bitcasino/vegacasino.Directbet and Nitrogen sports are 1000 times better than this crap.Fooling users with fake lotteries and odds lesser than every other site in its domain.I'm about to post a long explanation why their lottery is fake and not based on the blocks as they've put it.I'm just losing my mind over the fact,how they try their best to make up stuff and convince people its all fair.
I never thought I'd see better odds and directbet in the same sentence. Have you even checked out their odds, and compared? Sportsbet.io is better a lot of the time, since they operate on a lesser margin compared the DirectBet.

The Sportsbet.io players, we are going to try something no one has ever tried before.

Due to players not thinking our new lottery is provably fair, we are looking for help from this community. We want lotteries and we want it to be crystal clear and externally verifiable that it's provably fair.

Are their any aspiring coders on here who would like to build it for us?

We will pay for the complete dev costs. If the community can come together and decide what it would take for the lottery to be proven fair and get it spec'd out and coded up the way you want to see it.

If you are NOT a coder or no coders step up, PLEASE spec out exactly what needs to be done and we will then get it programmed ourselves. Let's start the discussions!
Again, see my previous posts. I'll restate it again, with some changes that would probably be easier in this post:

1. Publish the list of tickets and who has which ticket, a bit before the actual draw. Make sure that tickets are numbered.
2. Wait for a specific block hash for the drawing. Once the block comes, take the last few digits of the block hash (maybe 7?) and convert it to a decimal, by using it as a hexadecimal. Next, use the number that you get and apply modulus (number of tickets - 1) to that number. You should get a number between 0 and the number of tickets, minus one. Add one to the number, and you have your first winner.  You can get the other winners in other blocks, or if that takes too long, use the last 8 digits, than 9, e.t.c repeating the entire process I just outlined.

Honestly, did you even read my previous posts? If you don't understand it, I will give an example later.

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August 21, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
 #985

It is indeed far from the reality, so far I got around 200 mbtc of profit only from the badminton olympics game and of course my bet is not 1 mbtc otherwise I wont be able to get that amount, well he can go figure it himself that. Lotteries is not the only think that keep this sites alive, it is one of the sportsbooks that stand out quite high here
*Thing. [get your grammar right before coming up with useless lines]

This website is nothing but a scam run by BTC-Agency [Antonio] like their other grand kids,bitcasino/vegacasino.Directbet and Nitrogen sports are 1000 times better than this crap.Fooling users with fake lotteries and odds lesser than every other site in its domain.I'm about to post a long explanation why their lottery is fake and not based on the blocks as they've put it.I'm just losing my mind over the fact,how they try their best to make up stuff and convince people its all fair.
I never thought I'd see better odds and directbet in the same sentence. Have you even checked out their odds, and compared? Sportsbet.io is better a lot of the time, since they operate on a lesser margin compared the DirectBet.

The Sportsbet.io players, we are going to try something no one has ever tried before.

Due to players not thinking our new lottery is provably fair, we are looking for help from this community. We want lotteries and we want it to be crystal clear and externally verifiable that it's provably fair.

Are their any aspiring coders on here who would like to build it for us?

We will pay for the complete dev costs. If the community can come together and decide what it would take for the lottery to be proven fair and get it spec'd out and coded up the way you want to see it.

If you are NOT a coder or no coders step up, PLEASE spec out exactly what needs to be done and we will then get it programmed ourselves. Let's start the discussions!
Again, see my previous posts. I'll restate it again, with some changes that would probably be easier in this post:

1. Publish the list of tickets and who has which ticket, a bit before the actual draw. Make sure that tickets are numbered.
2. Wait for a specific block hash for the drawing. Once the block comes, take the last few digits of the block hash (maybe 7?) and convert it to a decimal, by using it as a hexadecimal. Next, use the number that you get and apply modulus (number of tickets - 1) to that number. You should get a number between 0 and the number of tickets, minus one. Add one to the number, and you have your first winner.  You can get the other winners in other blocks, or if that takes too long, use the last 8 digits, than 9, e.t.c repeating the entire process I just outlined.

Honestly, did you even read my previous posts? If you don't understand it, I will give an example later.


if everyone agrees with your example and that this would be put an end to the debate, then yes! Let's proceed.

Let's see what the rest of the community says

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August 21, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
 #986

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

We want to make sure WHATEVER we go with, the community agrees it's fair and transparent. So let's get a consensus.

Regarding live video drarwing, this isn’t very efficient, we want an automated provably fair lottery, like we tried to build!

You cant make everyone happy at the same time. There will always be someone that put a disgrace at your sites no matter how hard you try, it is part of the process and people know that this site is honest though. Well I kinda agree with darkstar's idea however I would like to propose to wait for the blocks that will be mined around 6 hours after the countdown of the raffle stop to prevent something like  the previous incident of the drawing starts first before the countdown ended

PS : Im one of the few winners from the past lottery and Im happy with it

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August 21, 2016, 03:16:00 PM
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+1 to the post above mine, But I think this should be done in the future with future lotteries because we don't want any delay or change in the lottery of tomorrow "and no changing to the block number too".

A big fan of the site and their betting options specially on live, keep doing great Smiley !
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August 21, 2016, 03:17:41 PM
 #988

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

We want to make sure WHATEVER we go with, the community agrees it's fair and transparent. So let's get a consensus.

Regarding live video drarwing, this isn’t very efficient, we want an automated provably fair lottery, like we tried to build!

You cant make everyone happy at the same time. There will always be someone that put a disgrace at your sites no matter how hard you try, it is part of the process and people know that this site is honest though. Well I kinda agree with darkstar's idea however I would like to propose to wait for the blocks that will be mined around 6 hours after the countdown of the raffle stop to prevent something like  the previous incident of the drawing starts first before the countdown ended

PS : Im one of the few winners from the past lottery and Im happy with it



As long as we can get a majority that agree. I know we can't make everyone happy, but we damn sure want to try!

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August 21, 2016, 03:24:20 PM
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+1 to the post above mine, But I think this should be done in the future with future lotteries because we don't want any delay or change in the lottery of tomorrow "and no changing to the block number too".

A big fan of the site and their betting options specially on live, keep doing great Smiley !

Agreed. We won't stop or slow down what we currently have. We'll build this in parallel

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August 21, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
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Just a typo. You ought to say 'get your English right'. Grammar is to do with structure of sentences and stuff as far as I know. This puts you in the same position. Grin
Now,I can see personal hate coming out of that post.Did I hurt your emotions intentionally/unintentionally ? Not the first time I've seen you defending someone I try to have a reasonable argument with.

I have heard that accusation before.
I don't think the lottery is provably fair or it can ever be made provably fair.
Well,you really need to stop living under the rock and get your facts right.Provable/Verifiable lotteries do exists.What have you known about the RNG's ? There are more than 100 algos precisely crafted out by our so called "Mathematicians".You ought to prove all of them wrong by saying "it can ever be made fair".Do research about the RNG's,website devs can implement one of the existing algos to propose fairness.

I am sure Sportsbet offers better odds than Directbet. Tongue
Why are you backing up the site without concluding the facts ? Are you associated with them ?Their spokesperson ? Or just the urge to have a negative opinions against whatever is doubted about the website ?

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August 21, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
Last edit: August 22, 2016, 01:24:09 AM by DarkStar_
 #991

I am sure Sportsbet offers better odds than Directbet. Tongue
Why are you backing up the site without concluding the facts ? Are you associated with them ?Their spokesperson ? Or just the urge to have a negative opinions against whatever is doubted about the website ?
Why are you attacking ndnh over what you know is the truth? Are you associated with their competitor? Their competitior's spokesperson? Or just the urge to have negative opinions on whatever is said about the site? Sportsbet.io has better odds compared to Directbet over 90% of the time. And no, I am not affiliated with sportsbet.io.

Coding illitterate here.
Imo you should just assign a progressive number to every ticket issued and display a page , costantly updated , with players name and respective tickets' ID received.

Then just use sites like random.org to draw winners and record a video of the drawings.

PS: heard there is grammar police around....if there are mistakes in this post they are due to my cell phone automatic corrector  Tongue

We want to make sure WHATEVER we go with, the community agrees it's fair and transparent. So let's get a consensus.

Regarding live video drarwing, this isn’t very efficient, we want an automated provably fair lottery, like we tried to build!

You cant make everyone happy at the same time. There will always be someone that put a disgrace at your sites no matter how hard you try, it is part of the process and people know that this site is honest though. Well I kinda agree with darkstar's idea however I would like to propose to wait for the blocks that will be mined around 6 hours after the countdown of the raffle stop to prevent something like  the previous incident of the drawing starts first before the countdown ended

PS : Im one of the few winners from the past lottery and Im happy with it
Thanks. Rather than picking a block 6 hours later than the draw date, pick the block around 2 hours before the lottery should be drawn. Better accuracy that way. A live video drawing wouldn't be provably fair either, since they can edit the code of what ever drawing website they use.


Here is an example of the method I outlined:

For this example, I will be using the block that was mined right before this post (block 426230). Normally, a block that hasn't been mined would be used, but for convenience, I will use an already mined one.
The has of the block 426230 is
Code:
000000000000000000dd8a7bb73190bd8574df5f18966347a2094049e28c8cab
The last 7 characters are 28c8cab, and when converted to a decimal gives 42765483. Here is my imaginary ticket list (published before the block is mined)
Code:
1: darkstar
2: person2
3: person3
4: person4
5: person5
42765483 % 4 gives 3. 3+1 = 4, so person 4 would have won the 1 BTC prize in this case.
 

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August 22, 2016, 12:25:11 AM
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Let's try not to attack each other and figure out how we can make the lottery system more transparent, fun and fair in everyone's eyes.

Once we find a solution the majority agree on, we'll make it a reality.

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August 22, 2016, 12:33:21 AM
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Let's try not to attack each other and figure out how we can make the lottery system more transparent, fun and fair in everyone's eyes.

Once we find a solution the majority agree on, we'll make it a reality.
You are asking a lot here!!  I do agree that we should be able to find a solution that everyone will be happy with, however that is not always as easy as it seems.  There are still to many children here and they al want to play with their own toys without sharing.  The more transparent the system is the better for everyone as a whole it will be, but as an individual, those will not agree on that.

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August 22, 2016, 12:53:42 AM
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The final promotional Lottery draw of 2016 Olympics is now over. Too bad I did not win anything this time.

Now I am waiting for sportsbet to settle my bets, because I still have 2 Olympic bets set as 'Pending'.
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August 22, 2016, 01:03:23 AM
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The final promotional Lottery draw of 2016 Olympics is now over. Too bad I did not win anything this time.

Now I am waiting for sportsbet to settle my bets, because I still have 2 Olympic bets set as 'Pending'.

the same I also did not get any. but I think there's still the leaderboard promotion of the Premier league with the same reward.
so not so bad, I hope to get something there. because this depends on our strategy Smiley

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August 22, 2016, 01:22:53 AM
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The final promotional Lottery draw of 2016 Olympics is now over. Too bad I did not win anything this time.

Now I am waiting for sportsbet to settle my bets, because I still have 2 Olympic bets set as 'Pending'.

the same I also did not get any. but I think there's still the leaderboard promotion of the Premier league with the same reward.
so not so bad, I hope to get something there. because this depends on our strategy Smiley
Not really a strategy to the leaderboard. The easiest way would be to create a -EV arbitrage, so your guaranteed to get a certain amount of points for paying a ~5% fee, which has no/controlled variance. Leaderboard is also harder to do, so while it is same reward, it's higher risk.

Let's try not to attack each other and figure out how we can make the lottery system more transparent, fun and fair in everyone's eyes.

Once we find a solution the majority agree on, we'll make it a reality.
Define majority. So far, the 2-3 people that have commented said that what I mentioned could work. Honestly, you can't get a easier to verify method than what I said, and it's fair since it uses block hashes. A few others have posted, but haven't commented on anything regarding that. I'm guessing it's because a bunch of people don't care tbh.

I'd suggest you send RHavar or Dooglus a PM on the forums and see if they have a good method/are willing to develop it.

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August 22, 2016, 05:57:45 AM
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Let's try not to attack each other and figure out how we can make the lottery system more transparent, fun and fair in everyone's eyes.

Once we find a solution the majority agree on, we'll make it a reality.

Well there is only a small number of people that keep saying that the lottery is not fair. Unless those people agree to the new solution then it is pointless to find the solution. This is more like a personal grudge from those people that never win anything instead of a legit complaint to the lottery system
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August 22, 2016, 06:35:56 AM
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Let's try not to attack each other and figure out how we can make the lottery system more transparent, fun and fair in everyone's eyes.

Once we find a solution the majority agree on, we'll make it a reality.

Well there is only a small number of people that keep saying that the lottery is not fair. Unless those people agree to the new solution then it is pointless to find the solution. This is more like a personal grudge from those people that never win anything instead of a legit complaint to the lottery system

Although not many peoole complains about the lottery, it will be always better if they use provably fair system in the drawing and I think it is not only personal grudge. Being professional and fair will give them better reputation.




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August 22, 2016, 06:46:31 AM
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The final promotional Lottery draw of 2016 Olympics is now over. Too bad I did not win anything this time.

Now I am waiting for sportsbet to settle my bets, because I still have 2 Olympic bets set as 'Pending'.

the same I also did not get any. but I think there's still the leaderboard promotion of the Premier league with the same reward.
so not so bad, I hope to get something there. because this depends on our strategy Smiley
You guys are not alone I didn't win on the 17.08-21.08 Olympics our luck sucks pretty bad. Also I like darkstar's suggestion to make the lottery fair as possible.

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Last edit: August 22, 2016, 09:07:04 AM by hopenotlate
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- snip-
1. Publish the list of tickets and who has which ticket, a bit before the actual draw. Make sure that tickets are numbered.
2. Wait for a specific block hash for the drawing. Once the block comes, take the last few digits of the block hash (maybe 7?) and convert it to a decimal, by using it as a hexadecimal. Next, use the number that you get and apply modulus (number of tickets - 1) to that number. You should get a number between 0 and the number of tickets, minus one. Add one to the number, and you have your first winner.  You can get the other winners in other blocks, or if that takes too long, use the last 8 digits, than 9, e.t.c repeating the entire process I just outlined.

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Here is an example of the method I outlined:

For this example, I will be using the block that was mined right before this post (block 426230). Normally, a block that hasn't been mined would be used, but for convenience, I will use an already mined one.
The has of the block 426230 is
Code:
000000000000000000dd8a7bb73190bd8574df5f18966347a2094049e28c8cab
The last 7 characters are 28c8cab, and when converted to a decimal gives 42765483. Here is my imaginary ticket list (published before the block is mined)
Code:
1: darkstar
2: person2
3: person3
4: person4
5: person5
42765483 % 4 gives 3. 3+1 = 4, so person 4 would have won the 1 BTC prize in this case.

Am ok with this method.

In my opinion now it's needed a clear specification on how this method will go on for all the prizes paid (26 places if I remember correctly)

It has the features needed to silence all the controversy and speculations that have been raised (also by me to be honest) : fairness and trasparency.

This is way better than the rudimental one I suggested (video recording of random.org draw).

 
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