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May 15, 2016, 08:21:36 AM
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Ah I misread the Google quote as "kilowatt hour" and rather it is referring to annual consumption. Still 1/100th is still a small fraction.
You're kidding, right? 1% of the electricity consumption of a country with more than a billion people is HUGE! It is a whole lot of power plants wasting their energy into something that can basically be done by 1 PC.
Without redoing the math for myself I assume the 5.6 GW is correct. See if you can get a tour in a 1 GW coal fired power plant, it is a huge facility where you can really feel the power.
Especially in China that also means lots of people will die for mining bitcoin: the miners who work in real life coal mines and do IRL mining.
Not a pleasant scenario.
Yeah 1 percent of over 1 billion is a fucking shit tonne. I really have no idea what you are talking about? Is 5.6 GW 1 percent?

Dudes the point was not whether it is a lot of waste, but whether it represents a sizeable fraction that would pressure China to abandon the alleged corruption. At 1%, it is not a pressure to abandon the alleged corruption.

Yeah it is still a lot of electricity but that wasn't the point being made.

I wish you guys would improve your reading comprehension.  Roll Eyes
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May 15, 2016, 08:43:57 AM
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... the only person more wrong on BTC than Anonymint is Armstrong.

You and Armstrong are both wrong on the future of BitCON:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1465136.msg14854131#msg14854131

As for the price action I predicted, stay tuned...

I think Armstrong will end up being correct about bitcoin (not surviving the other side of 2020) let's see..  Cheesy

It is not clear if it will destroyed or merely turned into a tool to confiscate wealth, and a better Paypal for the masses. My bet is the totalitarian variant of the future. Click the link above to find out why. Men need a tyrant.



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I think Armstrong will end up being correct about bitcoin (not surviving the other side of 2020) let's see..  Cheesy

It is not clear if it will destroyed or merely turned into a tool to confiscate wealth, and a better Paypal for the masses. My bet is the totalitarian variant of the future. Click the link above to find out why. Men need a tyrant.

I very much doubt it becomes a "better" Paypal for the masses for the simple reason that it isn't better.

I would be bet on failure over widespread usage of a coopted system. In fact I'd lay significant odds on that bet. (Though failure is somewhat difficult to define precisely -- let's say significant loss of value and usage.)

I see even an oligarchy controlled Bitcoin as better than Paypal, because:

1. Bitcoin is a global politik; and thus even the Chinese mining oligarchy (cum banksters pulling the strings behind the curtain) can't do anything which isn't politically correct globally.

2. Thus Bitcoin will retain many attributes that Paypal as a corporate offering can't provide such as inability to deny any person in any account equal opportunity to access, inability to enforce holdbacks, block certain industries, and other arbitrary shit Paypal does which make my head want to explode. Bitcoin is a trojan horse launched by the global elite to subvert any localized attempt to block/control the shift to digital currency.

3. Thus I predict enormous adoption for Bitcoin, but just remember it will be owned and controlled by the global elite (aka the banksters). And the global socialism will enforce a global confiscation/expropriation of those with wealth, in the coming years. It will be a bittersweet success.



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3. Thus I predict enormous adoption for Bitcoin, but just remember it will be owned and controlled by the global elite (aka the banksters). And the global socialism will enforce a global confiscation/expropriation of those with wealth, in the coming years. It will be a bittersweet success.

Meh, hardly anybody wants Bitcoin, and the only ones who do will just flee it and use something else if it becomes government controlled. Using Bitcoin now is a pain in the ass and something a relatively small number of people do at great inconvenience and only out of necessity (generally speaking holding it for as short a time as possible). They'll have no trouble switching to Zcash or whatever else if necessary for their purposes. The rest will just stick with actual Paypal and similar products.

The only ones with any real wealth in Bitcoin are speculators who treat Bitcoin like a Wall Street product (and often store it in easily-confiscatable form on exchanges anyway). Well yeah maybe their Bitcoin will get confiscated. Not really any different from any other Wall Street product, and not at all surprising (to me). A few of the smartest ones will probably be able to escape confiscation, again not so different from traditional finance.

For the moment Bitcoin is only a gambler's paradise, but the conversion to instant microtransactions is the key to launching it into mass adoption.

That is why the block chain size debate has been so contentious, because it is a battle over who (Chinese mining cartel + Blockstream, all controlled behind the curtain by the banksters) owns Bitcoin as it is scaled out.

It's pretty evident from the establishment embracing Bitcoin and things like this CME news, that TPTB will use Bitcoin as a golden parachute to escape the death trap fiat system they created.  They know it's extremely hard to do business using gold, and you would need to implode civilization back to the dark ages to make gold work again, so Bitcoin is their go to play to keep the wheels turning at an above caveman level.

Ever since humans stopped being hunter gatherers and settled land, it created abundance.  That's when the predator class arose to skim the abundance.  It's in TPTB' best interests to keep a high level of civilization running in order to skim it instead of having civilization implode back to ancient Babylon.  That would likely just implode their own standard of living as well once the caviar supply lines run out.

Yes, they create catastrophes to benefit from them, but I don't think they want ones so big that they become completely unpredictable and threaten their own power structure.  They always have some type of golden parachutes in mind, and Bitcoin is seemingly the only viable thing around for digital transactions in the coming great reset.  The world supply lines are very intertwined, and if you cannot do digital transactions on an international level because nobody trusts any of the currencies, then you immediately go back to the 1800's.  Do TPTB want to live in the 1800's?  Probably not.  They have to devise something to keep the wheels of the world turning.

Agreed, but they didn't create Bitcoin as the primary escape hatch from fiat collapse (which will instead be the one world currency reserve unit basket), but rather because they want to subvert any one nation's control over the digitalization of currency. They don't want a bastardized fragmentation of the digitalized commerce world. That is all good. The bad part is they control the global politik, and thus they control Bitcoin. They can easily incorporate capital controls and expropriation into the politics of regulation of Bitcoin and then they can easily implement it since they are funding and arranging the Chinese mining cartel and Blockstream's $74 million funding.

Edit: my take on the opportunities ahead:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14855669#msg14855669
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May 15, 2016, 10:12:49 AM
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Re: POLL - Which Crypto will be the first zero fee instant microtransaction coin with GUI that can scale to 100,000 Txns/sec and remain decentralized?

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Answer: none of the CC currently envisioned. Neither will Lightning Networks (Bitcoin) nor Dash Evolution meet those specifications.
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May 15, 2016, 10:54:14 AM
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There's still demand and supply. Now awaiting the results of halving Smiley

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May 15, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
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i dont think china would do anything to damage bitcoin if they control so much it seems like they would hurt themselves more than anyone else
don't you think a country which have 50% of total bitcoin miners in china can control bitcoin? they simply make a regulation that forbid bitcoin and bitcoin prices will falling,that's how they can control bitcoin

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May 15, 2016, 12:54:49 PM
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The title is misleading, as the quoted post was about the hypothesis that Bitcoin's decentralization is being destroyed.
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May 15, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
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The title is misleading, as the quoted post was about the hypothesis that Bitcoin's decentralization is being destroyed.

Bitcoin that's not decentralized is not Bitcoin but a berry berry inefficient bank. Stop with the pedantry.
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May 15, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
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There's still demand and supply. Now awaiting the results of halving Smiley

Halving is still pending and not happening yet. Demand today is very high because there are many buyers as for the coming halving.
But after the halving supply will decrease I think.
Well that'd be obvious since more than half of the bitcoin holders are expecting for an increase in value.
More and more people are getting into bitcoins because of possible profit.

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May 15, 2016, 05:05:33 PM
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I'm looking at those big letters DESTROYED..
I don't think this is th case for real, and i dont know why those nonsense topics are allowed at the first place? All this causing panic and fear..We don't need this. Without proper "evidence" we must close those topics almost immediately.
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May 15, 2016, 05:08:07 PM
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Well that'd be obvious since more than half of the bitcoin holders are expecting for an increase in value.

Sure, and if the price does increase they'll hold, because look how the price is going up.
And if the price doesn't increase, they'll also hold, because it takes a while for the price to adjust after the halvening.
And if the price tanks, they'll also hold, and buy more, because ideal buying opportunity, the price is clearly down-manipulated by Wall st. and bankster j00z, who'll eventually run out of coin and then CCMF! Bang, zoom! To the moon, Alice!
I remain cautiously optimistic.

I'm looking at those big letters DESTROYED..
I don't think this is th case for real, and i dont know why those nonsense topics are allowed at the first place?
It's called free speech and healthy debate. Don't be scaird.
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May 15, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
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Haha, Bitcoin was already destroyed 10 times and is still alive. Grin

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May 15, 2016, 05:38:16 PM
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After knowing bitcoin exist started to know more and when I found out about bitcoin mining specific hardware my first impression was,
Who ever suggested such system like bitcoin wanted big hardware manufacturers to sell and continue selling their products.

I mean bitcoin is going towards what end exactly? by the looks of it 5 years from now planet earth becomes a giant mining pool.
I wonder what would have happened if instead of computing and hash power every one could just use internet bandwidth and just listening on the open port then bitcoin could reward all the members equally.
By the way the smartest miners found cheapest electricity and best places to run huge mining farms and as I see it they all are adding to their hash rate  and again results in diff increase, it is just so fu**ed up when think about it but bitcoin never become central.
Whole point and idea and use of bitcoin is freedom and low fees, any one tries to take them away then people turn away from it.

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May 15, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
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There's still demand and supply. Now awaiting the results of halving Smiley

Halving is still pending and not happening yet. Demand today is very high because there are many buyers as for the coming halving.
But after the halving supply will decrease I think.
Well that'd be obvious since more than half of the bitcoin holders are expecting for an increase in value.
More and more people are getting into bitcoins because of possible profit.

Just to note isnt for possible profit is to make fast money with bitcoin,several companies offering their services and investing into bitcoin,whales as well making the pumps happend while in a while,if you lucky to be at the same coin that will be pumped well you can make 30x your investment,but its pure lucky ,i believe eth its on the radar of them ,soon or later it will achieve the 0.05btc its a question of when.
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Bitcoin is destroyed! Long live Bitcoin!

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May 16, 2016, 01:52:42 AM
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Why all the Chinese hate? Someone beat you up with chopsticks when you were a little boy?

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Just because China is controlling a large portion does not mean bitcoin is "ruined". Im sure more opportunities will come up, making bitcoin more accessible. It is growing in popularity however, and on an increase in value.




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May 16, 2016, 04:47:18 AM
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Why all the Chinese hate? Someone beat you up with chopsticks when you were a little boy?
hahaha! Or maybe they used their sharinggan eyes to him

Bitcoin is destroyed! Long live Bitcoin!

No way bitcoin is not destroyed it still on growing and growing. Don't believe rumors around.



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May 16, 2016, 09:41:51 AM
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Why all the Chinese hate? Someone beat you up with chopsticks when you were a little boy?

Nope but I had some Chinese-made goods go bad or not functioning right out of the box upon arrival  Grin
Jokes aside people should not hate on the Chinese because they are also human beings like us, the general concern is that they can control the Blockchain network at will and as we all know the Chinese condone unscrupulous business ethics.

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May 16, 2016, 10:02:44 AM
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Why all the Chinese hate? Someone beat you up with chopsticks when you were a little boy?

They fed me my own cat.
It's not China hate, it's frustration with Bitcoin being so fundamentally broken that it only makes sense to mine it in China.
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May 16, 2016, 10:14:02 AM
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Bitcoin is basically destroyed now with 70% of the mining controlled by China, soon to be 98+%, and with Blockstream implementing their SegWit soft fork Trojan Horse so as Matonis admits can end up increasing the 21 million coins limit.

The entire ecosystem is headed for a clusterfuck.

I honestly believe this is the truth.  What is there to add ?

~CfA~
many people talk about this,about china domination in bitcoin and bitcoin miner,also they have better bitcoin exchange and bitcoin price. but i think other country who care about bitcoin will never let this happen,country like US,brazil,argentina will have plan to make china domination fall,and this is should supported by us.
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