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January 04, 2014, 04:45:05 AM
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Just saying this isn't magic, its ddos

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January 06, 2014, 02:49:06 PM
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UPDATE for everyone:
We most likely have 2-3 full days left of work to complete the database conversion for all the sites (bitbillions, bitfeud, iwantacar, mybitcoinrewards). Then, we will handle the blog post, email to fund members, flash sales, drawings, points, etc. Please let people know.
Fortunately, we have been able to keep the site live overall during this process.

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January 08, 2014, 02:29:12 PM
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kakobrekla found it surprising that after servers were upgraded there was strain on the site just months later. It is worth looking at the Alexa rating and seeing how the traffic has jumped in that time. The daily traffic rate is now inside the top 5000 sites on the internet. It previously peaked twice at around 20,000 but has steadily grown in the last two months.

Mybitcoinrewards has jumped to a daily traffic rate apx 5,000 while Bitfeud and Iwantacar websites have all jumped up to around 15,000.

The past week or so has involved updating the databases and making improvements which are supposed to be finished possibly tomorrow.

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January 08, 2014, 03:47:14 PM
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kakobrekla found it surprising that after servers were upgraded there was strain on the site just months later. It is worth looking at the Alexa rating and seeing how the traffic has jumped in that time. The daily traffic rate is now inside the top 5000 sites on the internet. It previously peaked twice at around 20,000 but has steadily grown in the last two months.

Mybitcoinrewards has jumped to a daily traffic rate apx 5,000 while Bitfeud and Iwantacar websites have all jumped up to around 15,000.

The past week or so has involved updating the databases and making improvements which are supposed to be finished possibly tomorrow.


Lol you idiot.

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January 09, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
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Latest update

SERVER MODIFICATION UPDATES


We are getting very near the completion of the modification of our server environments and databases. If all continues to go well, the following should come true:

Fully Completed by Friday, January 10
  • Server environment modifications
  • Security and anti-DDOS enhancements
  • Database modifications
  • Enhanced reports for members on all sites
  • Enhanced communication between all sites

Fully Completed by Monday, January 13
  • All membership upgrades processed within 24 hours of receipt of payment
  • All customer service emails answered within 24 hours of receipt
  • All points processed and displayed properly
  • New article in blog
  • Important email to shareholders of the GBBG Bitcoin Fund
  • Resume drawings on mybitcoinrewards.com
  • Resume flash sales on bitfeud.com
  • Resume ‘normal’ operations

Thank you for being patient during this major overhaul of our server environments and databases. We appreciate your continued support! From time to time we may be forced to jump difficult hurdles such as these. Just remember, this means GBBG is GROWING and this is GREAT NEWS!

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January 12, 2014, 02:03:25 AM
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SERVER MODIFICATION UPDATES

Unfortunately we hit a snag on Friday, January 11 that set us back about 24 hours. So, we will work over-time this weekend and the following should come true:
Fully Completed by Monday, January 13

  • Server environment modifications
  • Security and anti-DDOS enhancements
  • Database modifications
  • Enhanced reports for members on all sites
  • Enhanced communication between all sites
  • All membership upgrades processed within 24 hours of receipt of payment
  • All customer service emails answered within 24 hours of receipt
  • All points processed and displayed properly
  • New article in blog
  • Important email to shareholders of the GBBG Bitcoin Fund
  • Resume drawings on mybitcoinrewards.com
  • Resume flash sales on bitfeud.com
  • Resume ‘normal’ operations

Thank you for being patient during this major overhaul of our server environments and databases. We appreciate your continued support! From time to time we may be forced to jump difficult hurdles such as these. Just remember, this means GBBG is GROWING and this is GREAT NEWS!

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January 12, 2014, 02:10:38 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26TRIz2d1m8&feature=youtu.be&t=3m

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January 17, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
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Latest Update on site

COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN PAID.
We truly appreciate your patience during this time. We are growing very fast and working hard to keep up with demand.

STILL IN PROGRESS

    Site modifications – iwantacar.com
    Database modifications – iwantacar.com
    Points reporting – iwantacar.com
    Blog post explaining all changes and upcoming events

FULLY COMPLETED

    Commissions reports/payments for January
    Server modifications: bitbillions.com, bitfeud.com, iwantacar.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Site modifications: bitbillions.com, bitfeud.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Database modifications: bitfeud.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Security & Anti-DDOS enhancements

Thank you for being patient during this major overhaul of our server environments and databases. We appreciate your continued support! From time to time we may be forced to jump difficult hurdles such as these. Just remember, this means GBBG is GROWING and this is GREAT NEWS!

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January 17, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
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Just remember, this means GBBG is GROWING and this is GREAT NEWS!

You gonna put this in your epitaph?

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January 17, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
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Latest Update on site

COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN PAID.
We truly appreciate your patience during this time. We are growing very fast and working hard to keep up with demand.

STILL IN PROGRESS

    Site modifications – iwantacar.com
    Database modifications – iwantacar.com
    Points reporting – iwantacar.com
    Blog post explaining all changes and upcoming events

FULLY COMPLETED

    Commissions reports/payments for January
    Server modifications: bitbillions.com, bitfeud.com, iwantacar.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Site modifications: bitbillions.com, bitfeud.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Database modifications: bitfeud.com, mybitcoinrewards.com
    Security & Anti-DDOS enhancements

Thank you for being patient during this major overhaul of our server environments and databases. We appreciate your continued support! From time to time we may be forced to jump difficult hurdles such as these. Just remember, this means GBBG is GROWING and this is GREAT NEWS!


Great! Keep the good work.

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January 19, 2014, 11:57:33 AM
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The only way to check something out is to check it out.. I've already made an idiot of myself with BTC and got suckered my very first day.

I accept that it takes a special mind to be a scammer - a mind that can shut out the shock and hurt their victims feel - and I know I dont want to understand that kind of mind, so rather than fighting it I am now exploring my gift for walking into the bizarre and calling a few bluffs while gathering material for my writing.

I paid for a co-founder position at BitBillions a month ago which gave me access to a members area where no members ever communicate with each other and no-one from the website communicates with members (the announcements on the blog and the pop up screen are the same for my house-mates free account as well so its not really communicating so much as a general website announcement)

In fact, the only communication I have ever seen from GBBG about BitBillions is here on this post.. not even a formal announcement (that I can find), anywhere. Apart from the flags already mentioned (and noted, thanks for the material!),  this is probably the most intriguing, frustrating and telling part of this whole experience.

The only real sniff of genuine communication is offered on the VIP page of the BitBillions website; if one is willing to pay a further $250 and apply for approval for membership. Writer=too poor to explore that far folks, Sorry. But if anyone wants to raise the funds I would be delighted to though....super curious if its as wonderful and mystical as my dreams.....  Cool

The only reasons that I can understand for GBBG hiding (and I welcome any additional suggestions) is either fear of being found; or something to hide. A legitimate company or organisation the size suggested by their website information, should have nothing to fear of being discovered and in fact would suffer loss of reputation due to the lack of any historical or supporting reputation. This suggests having something to hide being the motivator for anonymity.

In addition, the particular method of promoting their expertise as "expert in gaming logic and advanced algorithms or experts in cryptography and payment processing" yet no profiles, resume, biography or qualifications proudly displayed anywhere suggests this is an entirely unique global business to have such a blanket of anonymity on the world wide web....

So... as there are only 227 positions left to fill according to the information in the members area, it shouldn't take too much longer to determine which way this review will go....


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Membership update as yesterday the 50K was passed.

Total Members    50,328
Founders    3,285
Co-Founders    2,245
Reserves    227
Free    44,571

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A few interesting points however a lot of information you supplied here is incorrect. I will deal with it point by point.

I paid for a co-founder position at BitBillions a month ago which gave me access to a members area where no members ever communicate with each other and no-one from the website communicates with members (the announcements on the blog and the pop up screen are the same for my house-mates free account as well so its not really communicating so much as a general website announcement)

The member area is not for communication as such. It shows you your referrals, points, earning sources activated, has the compensation plan as well as the blog. Later it will also have the marketplace to be able to sell Founder and co-founder positions. Free members get the same information as paid members and why shouldn't they? The difference between free members and co-founders or Founders is the revenue pools they will share in. There is a major blog post that has been delayed and is said to be explaining all the updates, changes to the sites that have happened over the last month or so.

In fact, the only communication I have ever seen from GBBG about BitBillions is here on this post.. not even a formal announcement (that I can find), anywhere. Apart from the flags already mentioned (and noted, thanks for the material!),  this is probably the most intriguing, frustrating and telling part of this whole experience.

GBBG have not communicated on this post so I am not sure which parts you think are from them. I have put forward information about the business and announcements as they have come onto the member area (which you think has no communication. There is one place however that has had GBBG directly communicate with members on occassion and that is the Bitbillions Forum. It is also linked from the member area but in case you cannot find the link (on the top menu) it is http://alertinform.com/bitbillionsforum/ It is not run by GBBG but they do have a profile called GBBGadmin. I just checked and so far GBBGAdmin has 60 posts, mostly answering members issues that have been brought up in the forums. It is the only place that there is a real GBBG presence that you may get to answer a question. Most questions are answered by other members first though.

The only real sniff of genuine communication is offered on the VIP page of the BitBillions website; if one is willing to pay a further $250 and apply for approval for membership. I would be delighted to though....super curious if its as wonderful and mystical as my dreams.....  Cool

I am a member of the VIP Club and as such have previously posted in here things that have been discussed there. It isn't what I would call mystical. Most of the time it is a case of voting on certain changes. The most recent big vote was whether to try to start the matrix before all the co-founder positions were sold and the vote went against it. To be honest I thought more people would want to start that earlier but it was a very one sided vote against. Everytime a member applies to join the VIP Club all the current members vote whether to accept that member in and over 50% must vote in favour for them to be accepted.

The only reasons that I can understand for GBBG hiding (and I welcome any additional suggestions) is either fear of being found; or something to hide. A legitimate company or organisation the size suggested by their website information, should have nothing to fear of being discovered and in fact would suffer loss of reputation due to the lack of any historical or supporting reputation. This suggests having something to hide being the motivator for anonymity.
In addition, the particular method of promoting their expertise as "expert in gaming logic and advanced algorithms or experts in cryptography and payment processing" yet no profiles, resume, biography or qualifications proudly displayed anywhere suggests this is an entirely unique global business to have such a blanket of anonymity on the world wide web....

This one is a more difficult one to answer. When GBBG originally was promoted they did so in a way that was all about anominity. That was in line with the way bitcoin itself was promoted (no one could know who has bitcoins, who uses them etc). Things seem to have changed a bit since then. As for historical or supporting reputation, I do not think GBBG as such can have any yet. They are building that. So far, by my records, there has been over 275 BTC paid out in commissions to members. There has been a few cases where I have seen members report they did not receive commissions and all of them were because either;
a. They didn't have any commissions to earn,
b. They were mistaken and they did receive them,
c. They did not put their bitcoin address information in so their commission could not be sent, or
d. They had a mistake in their bitcoin address where they wanted commissions sent.

I have not seen or heard of any person that has not received their legitimate commission. I am on forums, facebook pages etc.
The second part you are referring to GBBG-Ware with the software development. I think once they release details of sites they have developed that may give a lot more credibility. In the VIP room we have been told about a couple of the developments currently being done however the full details cannot be released.

So... as there are only 227 positions left to fill according to the information in the members area, it shouldn't take too much longer to determine which way this review will go....

I can only assume the 227 you mention is from seeing that number of reserve positions. That is not co-founder positions, it is a different membership that was offered early on. The co-founder positions left right now is shown on the desktop when you login to your member area and is quite clearly shown

Co-Founder Positions Remaining: 4,470

So it will still take awhile to fill them. I am trying to track the progress by recording member figures shown on the site most days. Because I have done that I can say that there has been 597 co-founder upgrades so far this month. So it is averaging around 30 per day. If the rate stays like that they all should be gone in about 5 months but I expect as it gets closer the speed of upgrades will probably increase as members realize that it is finally getting there.

I hope this clears up a lot of your misinformation. If you have any other question regarding it let me know and I will see if I know the answer.

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A few interesting points however a lot of information you supplied here is incorrect. I will deal with it point by point.

If bitbillions clients/customer/members/victims? have incorrect information, whose fault might that be?

The member area is not for communication as such.

I didnt say it was. simply pointed out there is no communication with members...although I think its quite acceptable one would assume if you pay membership you get something more than an account page, its just a personal observation.

GBBG have not communicated on this post so I am not sure which parts you think are from them. I have put forward information about the business and announcements as they have come onto the member area (which you think has no communication.

Yes, you said you were quoting info from the VIP room in an earlier post as well... wasn't that from GBBG then?

There is one place however that has had GBBG directly communicate with members on occassion and that is the Bitbillions Forum. It is also linked from the member area but in case you cannot find the link (on the top menu) it is http://alertinform.com/bitbillionsforum/ It is not run by GBBG but they do have a profile called GBBGadmin.


See, there, right there is an issue Id love you to explain.... I build websites and can even build forums with profiles, membership, social media connection, and even  paid subscriptions...so how come this Global IT company cant? A forum offsite is hardly secure, nor does it provide any kind of legitimacy when added to their Gmail address. No mail servers in all that high tech equipment?

I just checked and so far GBBGAdmin has 60 posts, mostly answering members issues that have been brought up in the forums. It is the only place that there is a real GBBG presence that you may get to answer a question. Most questions are answered by other members first though.

So much free material here...writer gold I tell ya! Writer gold Cheesy

I am a member of the VIP Club and as such have previously posted in here things that have been discussed there.


yes, I got that...please see above.

It isn't what I would call mystical.

sarcasm, ˈsɑːkaz(ə)m/ .... Google can help here x

The most recent big vote was whether to try to start the matrix before all the co-founder positions were sold and the vote went against it. To be honest I thought more people would want to start that earlier but it was a very one sided vote against. Everytime a member applies to join the VIP Club all the current members vote whether to accept that member in and over 50% must vote in favour for them to be accepted.

Unstable corporate structure that allows members to call the shots on who gets what information. Huge risk of collusion... I wont go further here, will add to the review though Wink

This one is a more difficult one to answer. When GBBG originally was promoted they did so in a way that was all about anominity. That was in line with the way bitcoin itself was promoted (no one could know who has bitcoins, who uses them etc). Things seem to have changed a bit since then. As for historical or supporting reputation, I do not think GBBG as such can have any yet. They are building that. So far, by my records, there has been over 275 BTC paid out in commissions to members.

yet they have successfully pulled in the big projects they keep hinting at... without a reputation or any corporate trust?

There has been a few cases where I have seen members report they did not receive commissions and all of them were because either;
a. They didn't have any commissions to earn,
b. They were mistaken and they did receive them,
c. They did not put their bitcoin address information in so their commission could not be sent, or
d. They had a mistake in their bitcoin address where they wanted commissions sent.

Commissions on members who sign  up underneath me... since I cant finish my review hyet I cant refer anyone.. but thats ok the forced matrix means I dont have to Smiley

The second part you are referring to GBBG-Ware with the software development. I think once they release details of sites they have developed that may give a lot more credibility. In the VIP room we have been told about a couple of the developments currently being done however the full details cannot be released.

I am now repeating myself: yet they have successfully pulled in the big projects they keep hinting at... without a reputation or any corporate trust?

I can only assume the 227 you mention is from seeing that number of reserve positions. That is not co-founder positions, it is a different membership that was offered early on. The co-founder positions left right now is shown on the desktop when you login to your member area and is quite clearly shownCo-Founder Positions Remaining: 4,470

Oops, my bad.... got a bit too excited to maybe be getting some commissions soon..

I hope this clears up a lot of your misinformation. If you have any other question regarding it let me know and I will see if I know the answer.

Not really, but if you believe everything you say here, - I have this old bridge in Sydney Harbour you might be interested in..... Cheap! Tongue

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If bitbillions clients/customer/members/victims? have incorrect information, whose fault might that be?

In this case it is yours since all of the information you need is on the website. There is also the forum as stated, but probably more improtantly in your view would be that there is an email address that you can contact and they do answer emails there. I'm sorry I did not mention that before as I would have expected you already knew that and in all honesty the information is available for 95% of peoples questions elsewhere anyway.

I'm sorry but your flippant brushing aside of my factual answers left me feeling you may be just another of the trolls trying to stir up trouble on this forum. If not you have a strange way of replying to someone trying to help and answer your questions, or give you the correct facts.

Hold onto the co-founder position. It will be worth more once they all are gone and the matrix is set. To be honest I expect the first revenue share after that happens to be small because of the points in the system plus the projects in early stages. I think the 2nd revenue share will be much better. Just remember though that you will only earn if you gain points (which you can do as a free member as well). I don't know of any scam that pays free members.

 

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I'm sorry but your flippant brushing aside of my factual answers left me feeling you may be just another of the trolls trying to stir up trouble on this forum. If not you have a strange way of replying to someone trying to help and answer your questions, or give you the correct facts.

While I may have a sense of humour, I am certainly not being flippant when I ask you to explain to me why GBBG have a Gmail email address and why their forum is offsite? I will ignore the troll comment ...

See, there, right there is an issue Id love you to explain.... I build websites and can even build forums with profiles, membership, social media connection, and even  paid subscriptions...so how come this Global IT company cant? A forum offsite is hardly secure, nor does it provide any kind of legitimacy when added to their Gmail address. No mail servers in all that high tech equipment?

Your response below, shows you did not even read my post and yet you accuse me of flippancy with no regard to the time it took; or the thought that went into my post?

There is also the forum as stated, but probably more improtantly in your view would be that there is an email address that you can contact and they do answer emails there. I'm sorry I did not mention that before as I would have expected you already knew that and in all honesty the information is available for 95% of peoples questions elsewhere anyway.

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There is now a separate Customer Service department and a Technical Support department. Contact details for each department are on the sites now.

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Now that server and database modifications are complete, we are gearing up for the future. We anticipate several blog posts over the next few weeks to let our members know of all the changes made and plans for the future. Some of these items include our new customer service department, projects GBBG|Ware is developing, additional revenue sources for the Matrix, and the fact the Matrix is planned to go into development ahead of schedule.

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January 30, 2014, 10:31:24 AM
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The latest Blog Post has been released.


The Long Overdue Post
January 30, 2014

By bitadmin

From an inside management perspective, Bitcoin, GBBG, and bitbillions have been an extremely interesting, and challenging experience thus far, to say the least. What began as a hodge-podge of unorganized, unfunded dreamers filled with grand visions and expansive projects has slowly become a more organized, focused core. We are still very unfunded and understaffed, but that is changing quickly.

Much has been happening behind the scenes the past 6 months. Some things very positive and uplifting. Other things have been a bit sad. Overall, we feel the organization is moving in a direction that points to attainable goals, achievable profits, and a solid, dependable future for our members. To explain this view we will bite off several chunks in different blog posts over the next few weeks.

Today, we will talk about technology development, product vision, and how this affects our company and our membership.

When we began, we mistakenly predicted we would sell over 50,000 Founder positions around $50 each and easily have $2.5 million capital to begin cranking out products and developing extremely disruptive technology. As you all know, this vision was far from reality. So, we have spent the past 6 months continuing to raise capital while evaluating every technology opportunity for the absolute best we have to offer. This resulted in a massive reduction in project planning, product concepts, manpower, and items on our plate.

As of today, most of our original core of developers with various product/technology visions have had to continue without us. Many of them are attempting to raise their own funding through various means and will take their ideas to the market without GBBG. It is a mutually beneficial reality. GBBG cannot afford to fund several projects, we do not have the manpower or capital to spread over many avenues, and yet these people deserve the opportunity to take their concepts toward reality. We simply have not raised the projected capital to be involved in several different development projects.

However, this is not bad news. What we have accomplished is the ability to pick what we feel is the very best project, and pour our resources into it. We have raised the funding and technical manpower to focus intently on a disruptive technology we feel will entirely change the bitcoin, crypto-currency, and financial marketplace forever. We feel we have sufficient seed capital, manpower, technical vision, and a blueprint to accomplish a very focused, driven, and important mission.

We feel 2014/2015 will see GBBG release a product into the global marketplace that will rock the entire core of the bitcoin community. And you, our current members, will gain the most over the life of this project. Our inside teams have been evaluating and discussing product concepts, business models, technical revolutions, and overall practical applications for the bitcoin protocol for nearly a year now. The entire purpose of these discussions: to weed out all but the very best idea, and then focus 100% of our capital, resources, and future upon it.

However, before this becomes reality, we all need to go through a few major obstacle courses together. First, we must continue to grow our core bitbillions membership community. After all, this is the community that will provide some of the seed capital for our project, the entire beta testing population, and the original users and marketers of our upcoming, revolutionary product. Second, we need to transform GBBG’s current software into a long-term application capable of scale in areas such as data, content, and security. Finally, we must capitalize major engineering, legal, regulatory, and marketing plans. This is going to be a daunting task.

Together, we can do it. There are over 50,000 of us working together now. If we all pull together behind one vision, we can accomplish anything. When we started GBBG we set a goal to achieve 50,000 supporters. We dreamed this number would be the core basis needed to actually pull off a grand project. Today, we have that number. So, we are 100% confident we can work together, with you, to change the financial world forever.

Let’s move for a moment from the dream and look at current reality. We are far behind the original $2.5 million we thought we would have by now. However, we have 50,000 supporters, growing daily. We don’t have 10 or 20 projects to develop at this stage. However, we have one focused idea we think will rock the entire bitcoin/e-currency/financial world and produce massive profits for our organization.

Our original plan was to launch GBBG to the world through bitbillions with as much free, open-source coding as possible. Therefore, we chose systems such as Ajax, MySQL, and PHP for their ease of deployment, no-cost open-source environments, and wide-array of available developers. We knew these systems would not carry us into mass scale, but we also assumed we would have over $2.0 million in capital and teams of developers to quickly move from free, open-source environments into costly, enterprise quality environments. Boy were we ever wrong about that!

January has been a set-back technologically. A lack of capital, combined with a reduction of manpower has forced us to rely on free, open-source technology too long. We are still managing everything through a free, PHP driven CMS system. This is not only incredible, but entirely illogical. We should be running proprietary content management, client management, data, security, and other processes. We just can’t at this time due to funding and staffing. But that is about to change.

During the month of January we entirely rewrote our data and content/customer management processes to create a more robust environment. It is still free and open-source, but it is better constructed and better stabilized. However, all our managers and developers know it is not scalable and will never be a long-term solution. Therefore, we are already writing the blueprint to convert our entire operation to a solid, proprietary coding that will be scalable and have long-term potential. We are laying the ground now to quickly begin development of our Matrix Stage systems.

This means we will continue to have bugs, glitches, and growing pains in the current software for at least 6-9 months. It also means when we roll out our long-term Matrix Stage system we will again go through a period of testing, fine-tuning, and bug fixing. If you are unable to bear with uncertainty, glitches, system outages, and other growing pains through the next 12-18 months, we recommend you wait until after January 2017 to participate in all GBBG projects.

We are not a fly-by-night company. We are not a get rich quick scheme. We do not promise you will make money fast. We guarantee you will not make money over-night. We actually project that most of our members will not earn much at all over the next 12 months. What we do promise is that we are building a product so revolutionary, so important, and so overwhelmingly disruptive that those of you who are willing to bear with us through 18-24 months of development will gain so much you will laugh at every other opportunity you ever saw before.

If you need income now, you should look elsewhere. This is not the place for immediate income, unless you are capable of generating huge numbers of referrals who upgrade their accounts. For the next 9-12 months, most members who earn immediate income will do so only through referring commissions. If you need fast returns on your “investment” or want someone to give you unbelievable hype and unattainable promises, you should go somewhere else and look for the person willing to sell that to you. If you are trying to profiteer by leading people down some magical dream of a fairyland world where they deposit a few dollars, click a few buttons, and “poof” they are suddenly rich, you really need to exit the GBBG train immediately. We happen to live in reality. We happen to understand that real wealth comes slowly and methodically through a controlled, managed process. We do not promise anything else. Our only plan is to deliver undeniable, unimaginable wealth, to those willing to go the long-haul with us. And this means we are looking at a minimum of 2015 before things start to become palatable.

On April 4, 1975 a man had a vision to create a company that would affect the entire world forever. He promised his original investors they would see unimaginable results, but they would have to wait until after 2005 to receive their first dividend. Some people jumped on the opportunity, investing millions of dollars into his dream. Others, too impatient to see beyond 1975 called him a buffoon. Today, Microsoft still remains one of the most powerful, influential life-changers on earth.

We feel the overall bitcoin community is developing hasty, ill-planned, rapidly constructed concepts and using the overall human community as massive guinea pigs in a global economic experiment. Far too many products have been released, far too quickly. And almost every single one of them have been destroyed by security flaws, outright hacking, or criminal inside corruption. Just like the “dot-com” boom of the early 1990’s, bitcoin will have a similar story. History truly repeats itself and we know it will with this protocol.

Hundreds of thousands of products will hit the market over the next 24 months. The vast majority of them will die sudden and painful deaths. Billions of dollars will be lost in hopelessly ill-planned ventures. In the same way billions of dollars died rapid, painful deaths with Webvan.com or Pets.com or the hundreds of other dot-com flashes in the early 90’s, hundreds of millions of dollars will die in flashes such as first-to-market blockchain concepts, countless e-currencies, and other crypto-currency products. And then, the real winners will begin to emerge.

Over 500 search engines came and died through the 1990’s, until some unheard-of team of college kids dreamed of the search engine called Google in September of 1998. Thousands of email clients, web browsers, and online content providers came and died in the 1990’s, until true visionaries brought forth products such as Hotmail, Netscape, and Yahoo. We believe thousands of e-currency companies will come and die over the next 4-6 years. It is purely a natural, predictable, expected occurrence. Any person believing otherwise is a fool and should be avoided. Any person who projects long-term growth and stability on a fledgling, immature, infant-stage protocol such as bitcoin should seriously have their head checked.

Bitcoin is just like TCP/IP and MIME and the other revolutionary protocols that came before them, in the fact that it is an ingenious, revolutionary, ground-shattering way of doing something. But it is very new, very young, and extremely far from its true purpose. If you think bitcoin is a commodity, a currency, or a method of processing monetary transactions, you are simply a part of the stupidity and wackiness that would have tried to define what the “Internet” was in 1989. Yes, the Internet existed then.

Bitcoin is far too young, far too underdeveloped, and far too under-engineered to be regulated, poured into the foundation of any system, or especially mass-utilized. However, we do happen to live in a time when protocols such as TCP/IP and MIME have been fully vetted, therefore producing an incredible juxtaposition for bitcoin. We are too connected and too capable of accessing bitcoin to allow it to properly develop without regulation, flawed foundational attempts at the expense of the uninformed general public, and far-reaching visions of mass adoption, way before it is ready.

So, what is GBBG doing? Where do we fit into this picture? How will we earn money and allow our membership to gain from this reality? That is a topic that will be more completely discussed with the next blog post. But to help you dream a little, we will leave you with this.

GBBG understands bitcoin is too much an infant protocol for mass consumer adoption. Yet we understand an important step toward this is mass consumer access in a much more simple, user-friendly manner. GBBG understands bitcoin and all e-currencies are too far from the security, consumer protection, and regulatory compliance standards that will make them capable of truly disrupting banking/investment/global finance, yet we understand an important step toward this is street-level exchange.

In our next post, we will begin to describe how GBBG, and YOU, are going to make bitcoin so accessible, and so street-level usable, that current manner of obtaining bitcoin through exchanges will seem pointless, absurd, and down-right stupid. We are going to rock the bitcoin community so hard that every person currently participating in any manner of business related with the process of exchanging fiat currency into bitcoin will be shaking in their knees.

The current Banking Industry is going to be changed forever. For many of the archaic establishments, this may only mean death. The current Credit Card, Merchant Processing, and Payment Remittance industries will undergo painful, sweeping modifications. ATM and other currency machines, especially bitcoin ATM’s, could be absolute dinosaurs that may vanish as quickly as they came into existence. And you, with GBBG are in position to be a massive, powerful, extremely profitable part of this process.

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January 31, 2014, 06:58:17 AM
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Bitcoin is far too young, far too underdeveloped, and far too under-engineered to be regulated, poured into the foundation of any system, or especially mass-utilized. However, we do happen to live in a time when protocols such as TCP/IP and MIME have been fully vetted, therefore producing an incredible juxtaposition for bitcoin. We are too connected and too capable of accessing bitcoin to allow it to properly develop without regulation, flawed foundational attempts at the expense of the uninformed general public, and far-reaching visions of mass adoption, way before it is ready.

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