Service Discussion > New sections.

[Cyrus]

Starting this thread to discuss the interest of introducing new sections in the Service Discussion board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0
Current board description:

Comments and questions about specific Bitcoin services or about all Bitcoin services.

This is very broad and some services got their own section eventually(ie: Micro Earnings). The purpose is to reduce clutter and to help users find similar threads more easily.
Talked to theymos about it and if there's enough interest new sections will be added.
Here are some suggestions for new sections, mainly based on the number of threads about these services.

• Service Discussion > Exchanges (Discussion about individual exchanges)
• Service Discussion > Online Wallets (Discussion about online wallets)
• Service Discussion > Stores (Online and brick and mortar stores that accept Bitcoin)

Please only post suggestions for Service Discussion for now.
PS: haven't included signature campaigns  as there are a small number of active threads(plus, this has been brought up before).

[Mitchell]

Yes please. Adding more sections is always good. It makes it easier to find stuff within the forum without having to go through loads of pages. Also, it allows me to block the section that I don't care about, thus improving what I see on the forum.

[achow101]

Definitely exchanges and and online wallets. There are plenty of threads on those two, not sure about stores though.

[irfan_pak10]

Yes vote for it. Same is the case for service section, if you want to find some specific service you will have to go through first 10-15 Sig campaigns and than hoping the best to find it at 2nd or third page.please make sub section about Signature campaigns. Etc.

[yahoo62278]

If a stores section is added will that lead to the goods section merging with the stores section?

[Cyrus]

If a stores section is added will that lead to the goods section merging with the stores section?

No. If a Stores section would be added, then all the threads relevant to that section would be moved there. Such as announcement threads from Service Announcements, or discussion threads from Service Discussion(the Goods section is where buying/selling occurs between members, not between a member and a service).
Same would go for Exchanges and Online Wallets or whatever.
Same thing happened when Micro Earnings was introduced.

[lottery248]

i would recommend the 'comparison' board, due to some of the people made a board and the people who are wanting such information, cannot classify it because the thread is not be easily seen.
like 'list of signature campaign' will fit that kind of board.

[Quickseller]

There is only around 10 or so major-ish exchanges currently (and a large amount of the exchange discussion is done by the signature spammers), so I am not quite sure that there are enough demand for exchanges to have their own subsection. Plus there are really not active threads about all of the exchanges.

There are currently even less online wallet services, however online wallets are heavily used by (newer) users, and I believe that the number of online wallet services will grow over time. There are also often numerous active threads about individual online wallet services. So I think there is probably sufficient demand for online wallets to have it's own subsection.

Over time, there will be more and more bitcoin related stores as adoption grows, and there is currently too many online stores that accept bitcoin, both exclusively and along with fiat. I think it should be fairly clear that there is enough demand for bitcoin stores to have it's own subsection.

Regarding signature campaigns, I understand that many people are annoyed by signature campaigns, however I do strongly feel that many people are able to earn their first bitcoin, and to get involved in bitcoin from signature campaigns. I do think that signature campaigns having their own subsection would be overall beneficial to bitcoin

[Vod]

• Service Discussion > Exchanges (Discussion about individual exchanges)
• Service Discussion > Online Wallets (Discussion about online wallets)
• Service Discussion > Stores (Online and brick and mortar stores that accept Bitcoin)

How about

• Service Discussion > Giveways (Faucets and other sites that give away coins)

[minifrij]

If I'm being honest, I don't completely think this is needed at all. However, I don't frequently browse that sub-section so perhaps I do not have the right idea.
Looking at the first page or two though, a significant number of the topics wouldn't fit in to either of the sections mentioned in the OP. I think that maybe a:

• Service Discussion > Mining (Discussion for both physical and cloud minimg services)

Could be useful, as I see a number of threads relating to that throughout the first two pages of the board.

How about

• Service Discussion > Giveways (Faucets and other sites that give away coins)

Isn't that covered by the Micro Earnings section?

[OmegaStarScream]

I'm with the idea , however, I'm not sure about the "Stores" section and how active it's going to be. Moderators should be ready btw because we all know how much it's going to take users to start posting in the right section.

but I think that moving everything (including the posts in service announcements) to the new sections will bring some chaos , don't you think? It will be kinda hard to find announcements from anything else.

[Lauda]

If I'm being honest, I don't completely think this is needed at all. However, I don't frequently browse that sub-section so perhaps I do not have the right idea.

Neither do I. I'd imagine that it is a mess. However, someone should try making some statistics to check what kind of threads (what type) actually represent most of the threads on a decent number of pages. That way, it would be 'insured' that the best call is made regarding the choice of new sub-sections. An example would be:

There is only around 10 or so major-ish exchanges currently (and a large amount of the exchange discussion is done by the signature spammers), so I am not quite sure that there are enough demand for exchanges to have their own subsection.

This.

How about

• Service Discussion > Giveways (Faucets and other sites that give away coins)

Isn't that covered by the Micro Earnings section?

Yes it is.

[Cyrus]

If I'm being honest, I don't completely think this is needed at all. However, I don't frequently browse that sub-section so perhaps I do not have the right idea.

Neither do I. I'd imagine that it is a mess. However, someone should try making some statistics to check what kind of threads (what type) actually represent most of the threads on a decent number of pages. That way, it would be 'insured' that the best call is made regarding the choice of new sub-sections. An example would be:

I do frequent that sub-section and also move a lot of threads in there regarding individual exchanges and online wallets.

There is only around 10 or so major-ish exchanges currently (and a large amount of the exchange discussion is done by the signature spammers), so I am not quite sure that there are enough demand for exchanges to have their own subsection.

This.

We're not making a section only for those announcement threads, but rather for all the discussion about those services. Similarly, this is what happened with Micro-earnings, Collectibles and even Investor-based games. In all three cases I've went through hundreds of pages of threads and moved them in the newly created sections. In the long run it turned out to be a beneficial addition to the forum. It's a big forum and branching out(in a slow, calculated pace) is not a bad thing.
Discussion about exchanges is found in Service Discussion(individual exchanges) and in Trading Discussion(general discussion), not counting announcement threads in Service Announcements and off-topic threads in Bitcoin Discussion and Currency Exchange(moving them as I see them). Here's a list of threads based on the first 5 pages of Service Discussion only(block of text incoming). The list comprises about half of the threads in the first 5 pages(similar to the number of threads I've moved in Micro Earnings and Collectibles in the first few pages back then), and around half(or under) have a paid sig:

Online Wallets(36 threads):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1525092.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508202.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902526.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1416222.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1506618.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519100.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1520757.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519100.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519988.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518003.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516588.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508879.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1477531.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516825.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1439729.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1514959.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1065373.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1514980.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1513739.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508604.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1513395.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1512984.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1510800.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1483640.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508171.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133213.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1506661.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145797.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1505823.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504769.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1502258.0

Exchanges(56 threads):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523484.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1525042.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1496194.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523501.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1524199.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523290.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156402.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1521538.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1521419.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1522828.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1515276.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1520821.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519637.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378867.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519348.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519064.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1520410.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1515871.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523376.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1519345.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103900.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1261707.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812397.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516097.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516763.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1467061.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516565.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516177.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229438.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1461564.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1514569.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1512385.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1510097.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1510860.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1513927.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708622.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1511961.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1512485.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1512075.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1511995.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1509034.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508805.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97272.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1160323.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508454.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1120816.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508856.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508856.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1428790.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1505595.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1508363.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1503860.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1502923.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373878.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500639.0

[Jet Cash]

A board for worthless response high activity threads would be useful. The discussion forum is clogged with the same old threads that nobody will read. I've taken to ignoring most threads with over 100 responses.

[Monnt]

Yes, yes, yes! The service discussion board is used to discuss services that you are interested in or want to share your knowledge about. It's hard to do that with a dog's breakfast of a board.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think it's a good idea. Lots of posters start threads about online wallets in the wrong parts of the forum. An onlime wallet discussion sub section would clear up the spam/shit posts.

An exchanges discussion only would also be good.

[From Above]

I also think that this is a good idea - having everything structured nicely is a good thing.  It happens more often than not that I have to google for a particular topic because it's easier to find that way than trying to dig it up on Bitcointalk. So yes, please, new thought out sections are a good thing

~CfA~

[Quickseller]

There is only around 10 or so major-ish exchanges currently (and a large amount of the exchange discussion is done by the signature spammers), so I am not quite sure that there are enough demand for exchanges to have their own subsection.

This.

We're not making a section only for those announcement threads, but rather for all the discussion about those services. Similarly, this is what happened with Micro-earnings, Collectibles and even Investor-based games. In all three cases I've went through hundreds of pages of threads and moved them in the newly created sections. In the long run it turned out to be a beneficial addition to the forum. It's a big forum and branching out(in a slow, calculated pace) is not a bad things.
Discussion about exchanges is found in Service Discussion(individual exchanges) and in Trading Discussion(general discussion), not counting announcement threads in Service Announcements and off-topic threads in Bitcoin Discussion and Currency Exchange(moving them as I see them). Here's a list of threads based on the first 5 pages of Service Discussion only(block of text incoming). The list comprises about half of the threads in the first 5 pages(similar to the number of threads I've moved in Micro Earnings and Collectibles in the first few pages back then), and around half(or under) have a paid sig:

Online Wallets(36 threads):
--snip--

Exchanges(56 threads):
--snip--

Hmmm, it seems that I might not have realized just how many exchange discussion threads there are. I think that some of the exchange related threads are probably attempting to promote their scam exchange (somewhat similar to how, on reddit, people post some random website claiming that they are offering 5% better rates then is available on coinbase for the next 2 hours), however with that many threads there probably would be sufficient demand for exchanges to have their own sub

edit: a quick review of the linked exchange related threads reveals that most of the exchange related threads are not very active. Out of the 56 threads listed, I counted 11 with 3 or more pages, 6 with exactly 2 pages, and the rest with only one page of posts.

[RocketSingh]

No please. Service Discussion seems alive when all are together. If u split them up, individual sub-sections will appear dead.

[Lauda]

I do frequent that sub-section and also move a lot of threads in there regarding individual exchanges and online wallets.

I should publicly stated my opinion: I agree with two of the proposed sections, Exchanges and Online wallets.

No please. Service Discussion seems alive when all are together. If u split them up, individual sub-sections will appear dead.

If by 'active' you mean spammed by signature spammers and a huge mess, then I agree. Finding the content that you're looking for on a forum should be easy (which is not the case in that section - as seen in the statistic provided), especially for new members.