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July 31, 2016, 04:50:57 PM
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People who have promoted ponzis in their signature have received negative trust in the past...
I doubt if a disclaimer like this would have worked.

Even people who have never promoted ponzi received negative trust in the past...
I'm among them...
now it is ptoven that my site were never a ponzi...
but my red trust is always here...and the red trusters are disappeared...
so is life...what can you do against?
Nothing...

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July 31, 2016, 05:22:32 PM
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Signature campaigns give sites credibility.  So does advertising on this forum through paid ads.  The fact that Theymos denied Betcoin.ag from advertising on this forum is totally relevant information that should be considered when making your own opinion on the situation.  But in the end, we each have our own opinion of the situation and have the right to leave whatever trust we see fit.

Just a small point. Theymos did not accept ads from bitmixer. But Bitmixer's signature campaign is alive and kicking.
The forum did carry ads of Bitcoin Black Friday, which turned out to be a scam.
So we shouldn't be linking everything to the forum's ad policy.

Exactly. What theymos does is his call, not mine & not anybody Else's. Someone is a fan of him ? sure follow him but don't censor others to do it too.

Fortune jack openly lied about their video contest & didn't payed the 50+ btc bonuses but nobody has problems with them. Their campaign runs smoothly too.

'Extorting participants & saying what is acceptable and what is not' is not your right.What duties do you fulfill so you get the rights to say me what is wrong or what is acceptable ? do u pay my taxes ? do u pay my rent ? do u pay forum bills ? do u pay forum taxes ? do you come and speak in the court for me ? updating that fucking signature thread are your Duties ? are you even fucking serious ?


Telling people what I think is or is not acceptable is my right. Trusting or untrusting someone based on their actions is my right.

If you don't like what I think or do, then untrust me. 

 Same with Luptin.

Just because more people trust Luptin than me doesn't mean you have to or that he has any more rights than me.

Lutpin could of easily just neg repped all of them immediately.  I suspect (not speaking for him) he didn't because he doesn't want to create drama.

 Do you have any relevant questions?


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July 31, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
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You're getting paid to promote an exceptionally scummy site.  

Maybe you are able to fool yourself into thinking it's ok as long as A) you put disclaimer in profile  and B) you haven't looked into the accusations against the site but plan on doing so whenever you don't have more important things to do.

it's all bullshit. when you put the ad in your Sig you drive traffic and increase the reputation of the site. that's why they pay you. duh.

You're setting a bad example as a staff member, sending the message "we don't have to accept responsibility for the decision we make to promote a site (or not promote a site)"

Just because you haven't taken the time to research the situation for yourself doesn't make it ok.

I tried handling this privately but I find your "I won't be able to research this site for a while, but will keep promoting them anyway" attitude unacceptable.

My last pm to you over 24 hours ago got no response so here we are:

It's irresponsible to advertise a business without any due diligence.

Please, stop promoting Betcoin in your signature until you are confident enough to take a stance.  


By your logic, Bitcointalk.org is endorsing every company they've ever allowed to advertise.  Get a grip on reality Twitchy.

Here's how some of my players feel about his posts in my thread yet he continues to spam for malicious reasons, and he's even acknowledged to me he's purposely being malicious and "attacking" me.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.



Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.



Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


This +1.

Xiaoxiao has always been great with his service, always paid the right amount in time and responded to queries very quickly and professionally. I dont know why one or two people have made it their purpose of life to bash him and his service all day long, its quite sad to see really. Ive had nothing but good experiences with the OP, he always paid what he promised and on time (which is a LOT more that can be said about most affs) and would absolutely recommend his rakeback for Betcoin.

When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

He immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.


And also another example of Twitchy attacking my players.  When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:


I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

Twitchy sarcastically assumed he was "shilly" and then used one of his alternates/co-conspirator to give him a bad feedback, the same alternate he used to give me a bad feedback after he already gave me a malicious false feedback awhile ago.



excellent point, not shilly at all







Some more of my players telling him to stop spamming my service thread and their opinions of him:

Xiao, I thought you weren't going to respond to Twitchy anymore. There's no point in arguing with this guy. Not many regs like him either cause he takes up all of supports time when we're the ones that need help....



Can you be a little less cryptic for once and explain what you mean? We aren't all off our meds and we don't all speak spergs so please specify what you mean by shorting people rakeback.

If he has Asperger's or any other mental disability, he shouldn't be in the position he's in, cause his hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  His obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs his "scam alerts."  

There's more players who've spoken out about him, and people have said stuff to me in private about him which I won't post, but the reason he started to upset me was not because of his issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But he continues to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that he had gotten wrong anyway).


Some evidence of Twitchy having alternates:




No, I'm leaning towards the fact that he is your alternate.  His claims are nearly identical to yours.  He supports all your posts, but either way it doesn't matter.  You've called out BtcFTW and NooBTC or something like that for doing the same thing.  Yet you do the exact same thing.

Latest posts of Cryptosmoker: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511427;sa=showPosts

Someone that works as hard as Twitchy in his investigations but hasn't logged in for 3 days now?  I can't imagine someone that is like a clone of Twitchy but hasn't logged into the forums for 3 days now.









His actions aren't any better than the recipients of his accusations.  He abuses the little power that he's gained from sitting at the computer nearly 24/7 and calling out businesses with his hit or miss tactics.  

He clearly knew that the CardsChat review of Betcoin Poker had already been removed, but he continued posting it everywhere as if it was still valid.  Anyone with common sense could see that that review was virtually gibberish.



He infers that the reason it was removed was because Betcoin bribed them, but he's got absolutely no proof.  And even if Betcoin did bribe them, that just means he's posting the review of a company that accepts bribes as if it has merit.

He assumes that just because some players are outraged at him, it is the work of Betcoin.  That is not true, the reason I began noticing him was because he continued to spam my thread, and lately with casino related issues that has nothing to do with my rakeback service nor the poker room.

PS: There's a lot more cases in the past where Twitchy had been adamant that he's correct and it turned out that his assumption was wrong.  
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July 31, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
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Xiao, you have a reputation thread to attack me in.  Remember? [Beware] TwitchySeal: Abuses his Rep, replies to his own posts with alts, etc

I'm defending myself there. 

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July 31, 2016, 10:42:58 PM
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed

Just like Lutpin (manager of crypto-games (or more ?) ) , you are deep into conflict of interests here, and it's obvious from your sick engagement in attack
on particulary betcoin.ag and not any other sites using betsoft software that you have your own personal interest in seeing them being hurt.

Who are you two to force me into anything ?
Who are you to bully me and other betcoin.ag signature campaign members with open threats?

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I am here 5 fucking years, and i can tell you people that centralization of this forum never was worse then it is now.
Decentralization forum based on centralized trust rating network, my god. This is exactly what created this atmosphere of company shills that lurk around the
forum dealing with DT to top up their trust and to selectively choose in other people's name who's right and who's wrong, and what you should and should not say.

This is school example of extortion, so stop lying to yourself that you're the good guy here, you're not.
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Shill or not AJ, TwitchySeals has made some pretty valid points with damning evidence and evidence don't lie, unless you want to say that said evidence was fabricated? Calling Lutpin and Twitchy shill of some competitor won't make the evidence go away. Also, how do you account for the fact that some people agree with him, dooglus, blazr, Quickseller, and Aswan to name a few. Edit: I now see that betcoin has moved to a moderated thread.
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July 31, 2016, 11:46:52 PM
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Telling people what I think is or is not acceptable is my right. Trusting or untrusting someone based on their actions is my right.
just for yourself not for forum. You are not forum, you are a user.

If you don't like what I think or do, then untrust me. 
Please tell me why you cannot do that ? why do you want to advertise your opinion ? just untrust the participants .

anyways, I clearly knew how things were going to be & i quietly got away/silent . So please continue,its none of my problems.

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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed

Just like Lutpin (manager of crypto-games (or more ?) ) , you are deep into conflict of interests here, and it's obvious from your sick engagement in attack
on particulary betcoin.ag and not any other sites using betsoft software that you have your own personal interest in seeing them being hurt.

Who are you two to force me into anything ?
Who are you to bully me and other betcoin.ag signature campaign members with open threats?

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I am here 5 fucking years, and i can tell you people that centralization of this forum never was worse then it is now.
Decentralization forum based on centralized trust rating network, my god. This is exactly what created this atmosphere of company shills that lurk around the
forum dealing with DT to top up their trust and to selectively choose in other people's name who's right and who's wrong, and what you should and should not say.

This is school example of extortion, so stop lying to yourself that you're the good guy here, you're not.

I've played over 10 million hands of poker online. 

Currently I play on the most regulated sites in the world (in New Jersey) and also at a few skins that offer WPN tournaments.

I was a player on Seals with Clubs from the pond and puddle days but barely play there anymore.

Regulated gaming has a restricted potential that sickens me.

The current state of unregulated gaming sickens me.

I am trying to make change, I have no allegiance to any site, only  to the future of Online Poker and Bitcoin.

I've never asked a single person to trust me.

I'm willing to help any online poker player or gambler as best I can, and I have helped many.

I've started a thread to better the future of Bitcoin Poker https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504778.0;topicseen

I've called out many scummy casinos, not just Betcoin.





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August 01, 2016, 01:17:47 AM
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When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

He immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.

Hey, what happened to shangerlaa? Did he brain hemmorage? or sell his account?
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August 01, 2016, 01:21:06 AM
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed
I have not seen any evidence, credible or otherwise that TwitchySeal is in any way affiliated with any casino at all, let alone betcoin.

On the other hand, that signature of yours shows very clearly that you are receiving payments from betcoin.ag for at the minimum of posting with their signature, if not for something more Roll Eyes
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August 01, 2016, 01:49:16 AM
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed
I have not seen any evidence, credible or otherwise that TwitchySeal is in any way affiliated with any casino at all, let alone betcoin.

On the other hand, that signature of yours shows very clearly that you are receiving payments from betcoin.ag for at the minimum of posting with their signature, if not for something more Roll Eyes

That's how Betcoin Employees act.  They make up lies (and sometimes pay others to say them) and lob ad hominem attacks because they can't defend their positions without saying "Betcoin pays me so therefore I have to support them". 

If they were honest with themselves, they would say what those of us who speak out against Betcoin's shadyness are saying, which is that Betcoin has a good idea with horrible execution and they need to clean up their act so that they can thrive.  That's what they don't get...people like me don't want Betcoin to fail, we want the exact opposite!  A safe, trustworthy, reliable place to make money on.  Ignoring problems doesn't get to that end, though.  Facing the problems head on, taking responsibility, rectifying mistakes, and not repeating them is what they need to do to thrive.

But instead we get multiple shuttered and censored threads. 
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August 01, 2016, 02:10:39 AM
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I would never support a company just because they "pay for my signature", and I am more then willing to give my opinion on matters regardless of if I am receiving payment or not.

I can see however why betcoin would want to pay for Lauda's signature (which is what this thread was originally about), as Lauda is very good at "holding the company line" regardless of the facts that counter what he is saying, and clearly has no problems with keeping a closed mind in discussions.
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed
I have not seen any evidence, credible or otherwise that TwitchySeal is in any way affiliated with any casino at all, let alone betcoin.

On the other hand, that signature of yours shows very clearly that you are receiving payments from betcoin.ag for at the minimum of posting with their signature, if not for something more Roll Eyes

I'm receiving normal payout for my signature spance, like any member of that campaign, sorry to disappoint.

It is my belief that TwitchySeal and Lutpin are deeply affiliated with crypto-games.net, and are selectively targeting betcoin.ag and trying to bully people into obeying what they want.

Same company that suddenly appeared on your signature space, even tho the campaign was closed/full. Same thing happened with another relatively high trusted member.
It's obvious that you were approached *cough* (bought) *cough* in hope to sway you to help them spread bullying stance towards other members.

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It is my belief that TwitchySeal and Lutpin are deeply affiliated with crypto-games.net.
Twitchy has nothing to do with crypto-games. I doubt he even visited the website once.
I'm managing a campaign for them, aswell as I manage campaign for other sites (777Coin or Bitvest, to name two more).
Furter, I'm a moderator of chat and regular player on the site, if that makes me deeply affiliated with them, so be it.

Same company that suddenly appeared on your signature space, even tho the campaign was closed/full.
Quickseller is no part of the campaign under my management.
The deal with quickseller is independently and a result of an auction bid on their signature space being made by DogecoinMachine some time ago.

Same thing happened with another relatively high trusted member.
DebitMe contacted me about getting a space in the signature campaign, not the other way around.
Feel free to check back with them and let them confirm this.

It's obvious that you were approached *cough* (bought) *cough* in hope to sway you to help them spread bullying stance towards other members.
Just because that works for you doesn't mean other users work like that.
Quickseller had a problem with the way betcoin.ag acted before they advertised for cg, and if nothing changes on betcoins end,
that will stay the same even after the deal between them and cg runs out.

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Quickseller is no part of the campaign under my management.
The deal with quickseller is independently and a result of an auction bid on their signature space being made by DogecoinMachine some time ago.

Some time ago.. Yeah.. Surprised you didn't say "ages ago"


I'm not saying QS is now your slave, but it sure is more appealing when he wears crypto-games signature in this crypto-games - betcoin.ag war you seek.
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August 01, 2016, 02:26:26 PM
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I'm not saying QS is now your slave, but it sure is more appealing when he wears crypto-games signature in this crypto-games - betcoin.ag war you seek.

I know Quickseller for some time now and we dont always agree and had several discussions on several topics. I never felt they changed their opinion with their signature though. Maybe you can put some quotes to your accusations, because right now it looks like you are just increasing your post counter without saying anything of substance.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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I'm not saying QS is now your slave, but it sure is more appealing when he wears crypto-games signature in this crypto-games - betcoin.ag war you seek.
I didn't make this about crypto-games, there's no connection between me criticizing the way betcoin.ag acts on various matters and me working for crypto-games.
You're trying to pull in crypto-games, because you can't seem to defend betcoin.Ag without it.

As for bidding on QS' signature, that's nothing new and certainly not connected to this.

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I'm not saying QS is now your slave, but it sure is more appealing when he wears crypto-games signature in this crypto-games - betcoin.ag war you seek.

I know Quickseller for some time now and we dont always agree and had several discussions on several topics. I never felt they changed their opinion with their signature though. Maybe you can put some quotes to your accusations, because right now it looks like you are just increasing your post counter without saying anything of substance.

You should read from the start before you say such a thing.
I did not accuse QS of anything, therefore i don't need to back anything up. What i said was that it's funny and appealing that his signature was bought by crypto-games
now that this debate is on, talk about "accidental" timing.

Lutpin replied with :
The deal with quickseller is independently and a result of an auction bid on their signature space being made by DogecoinMachine some time ago.

Which is funny because it happened just yesterday.

So you are way off when you say that i'm not saying anything of substance of this debate, you're just not seeing if from the right angle.
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August 01, 2016, 02:44:16 PM
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I'm not saying QS is now your slave, but it sure is more appealing when he wears crypto-games signature in this crypto-games - betcoin.ag war you seek.

I know Quickseller for some time now and we dont always agree and had several discussions on several topics. I never felt they changed their opinion with their signature though. Maybe you can put some quotes to your accusations, because right now it looks like you are just increasing your post counter without saying anything of substance.

You should read from the start before you say such a thing.

I did.

I did not accuse QS of anything, therefore i don't need to back anything up. What i said was that it's funny and appealing that his signature was bought by crypto-games

Yes, you implied a connection. I question your connection based on my past experience with QS.

So you are way off when you say that i'm not saying anything of substance of this debate, you're just not seeing if from the right angle.

If there would a right angle it wouldnt be a discussion.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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August 01, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
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If anyone has any questions about the issues, please ask me or anyone familiar with the world of online poker/gambling to clarify.

Thank you for further confirming my doubts that you are shill account of betcoin.ag competitor.   Lips sealed
I have not seen any evidence, credible or otherwise that TwitchySeal is in any way affiliated with any casino at all, let alone betcoin.

On the other hand, that signature of yours shows very clearly that you are receiving payments from betcoin.ag for at the minimum of posting with their signature, if not for something more Roll Eyes

I'm receiving normal payout for my signature spance, like any member of that campaign, sorry to disappoint.

It is my belief that TwitchySeal and Lutpin are deeply affiliated with crypto-games.net, and are selectively targeting betcoin.ag and trying to bully people into obeying what they want.

Same company that suddenly appeared on your signature space, even tho the campaign was closed/full. Same thing happened with another relatively high trusted member.
It's obvious that you were approached *cough* (bought) *cough* in hope to sway you to help them spread bullying stance towards other members.


I was merely pointing out that you are in fact receiving payment from betcoin.ag, while there is no evidence that I am aware of that suggests that twitchyseal is receiving any payment from any betcoin.ag competitor. Based on this alone, it looks more like you are being paid to shill for betcoin, not that twitchyseal is being paid to harm their competitors.

I had auctioned my signature space, and the owner of crypto games won the auction. You were free to bid if you so choose, however one requirement is that I not advertise what I view to be a scam. I actually had a negative rating against the owners of crypto games for several months due to an issue with how they handled certain payouts; I removed my rating after they remediated the issue.

The company that I am advertising for does not have the ability to influence my position on any given debate. I form my opinion based on the facts that are available to me, and my own judgement. There is no amount of money that could possibly convince me to say that something is my opinion when in fact it is not.

Edit: I would also note that the only people defending betcoin are those who are wearing their signature. This is very similar to how the idiots who were advertising the scam site DaDice were blindly supporting them.
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