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March 20, 2013, 10:26:28 PM |
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http://mises.org/daily/1121There are. Here is one that lasted for longer than the United States has been an independent country, before they had their first civil war.
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"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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March 20, 2013, 10:42:47 PM |
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This is absolutely eye opening. This described the perfect capitalistic society.
Just the fact that wars were extremely costly and kept very short is enough to appeal to anyone. And considering this was a time period without the luxury of the technologies we hold today, it's only that much more amazing it worked for so long.
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myrkul
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March 20, 2013, 11:34:31 PM |
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http://mises.org/daily/1121There are. Here is one that lasted for longer than the United States has been an independent country, before they had their first civil war. My first thought was "More like, 'Why do people keep asking this question?'," but then I saw you were on my side.  |
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March 21, 2013, 12:38:47 AM |
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Before it was abolished, nobody knew how the cotton would get picked without slave labor. After they stopped using humans as property somebody figured it out.
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MoonShadow (OP)
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March 21, 2013, 12:43:23 AM |
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Before it was abolished, nobody knew how the cotton would get picked without slave labor. After they stopped using humans as property somebody figured it out.
Technically, Eli Whitney had it figured out well before that... |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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March 21, 2013, 12:46:53 AM |
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Before it was abolished, nobody knew how the cotton would get picked without slave labor. After they stopped using humans as property somebody figured it out.
+1 Legislation encourages innovation. |
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March 21, 2013, 12:51:44 AM |
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I think the reason most people don't believe that Anarchy can work is that they don't understand the true nature of anarchism. It isn't spraypainting A's on buildings and acting a fool, as is shown in any news report about anarchists. I myself feel that any group of true friends in any city, town, state has the ability to function as an anarchist societal model. But that's just my two pennies.
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March 21, 2013, 12:53:49 AM |
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I think the reason most people don't believe that Anarchy can work is that they don't understand the true nature of anarchism. It isn't spraypainting A's on buildings and acting a fool, as is shown in any news report about anarchists. I myself feel that any group of true friends in any city, town, state has the ability to function as an anarchist societal model. But that's just my two pennies.
There is more to it than that, as there have been many other names for the same basic idea. None of them seem to ever be well received regardless of the common preception of the terms used. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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March 21, 2013, 12:58:21 AM |
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I think the reason most people don't believe that Anarchy can work is that they don't understand the true nature of anarchism. It isn't spraypainting A's on buildings and acting a fool, as is shown in any news report about anarchists. I myself feel that any group of true friends in any city, town, state has the ability to function as an anarchist societal model. But that's just my two pennies.
There is more to it than that, as there have been many other names for the same basic idea. None of them seem to ever be well received regardless of the common preception of the terms used. Forgive me, I tend to oversimplify things. |
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myrkul
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March 21, 2013, 01:10:03 AM |
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Before it was abolished, nobody knew how the cotton would get picked without slave labor. After they stopped using humans as property somebody figured it out.
Technically, Eli Whitney had it figured out well before that... Well, he figured out how to get the seeds from the fibers, but not the boll off the plant. All he really did was make slavery more profitable. |
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March 22, 2013, 03:06:05 PM |
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How did humanity survive the past ten thousand years?
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
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March 22, 2013, 03:15:01 PM |
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The best arguments in favor of anarchy I've seen required war, slavery, and ethnic clensing. I suppose they do work if you look at it this way. In the end, we will have to kill each other. One of us will claim to be the anarchist and the other a statistic to support the claim.
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Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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March 22, 2013, 03:27:36 PM |
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune.
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justusranvier
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March 22, 2013, 03:34:01 PM |
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune. Anarchy is everything you enjoy in life, and violence is the opposite. |
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RodeoX
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March 22, 2013, 05:26:49 PM |
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune. Anarchy is everything you enjoy in life, and violence is the opposite. Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want. I would charge you tribute or burn your village, take slaves, etc. Join me and be with the strong! In exchange for your unwavering obedience and occasional military service I will allow you to live in peace. Gota love anarchy! |
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March 22, 2013, 05:28:42 PM |
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune. Anarchy is everything you enjoy in life, and violence is the opposite. Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want. I would charge you tribute or burn your village, take slaves, etc. Join me and be with the strong! In exchange for your unwavering obedience and occasional military service I will allow you to live in peace. Gota love anarchy! What you describe is not "anarchy," but an attempt (by you) to set up a state. |
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RodeoX
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March 22, 2013, 05:35:19 PM |
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune. Anarchy is everything you enjoy in life, and violence is the opposite. Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want. I would charge you tribute or burn your village, take slaves, etc. Join me and be with the strong! In exchange for your unwavering obedience and occasional military service I will allow you to live in peace. Gota love anarchy! What you describe is not "anarchy," but an attempt (by you) to set up a state. Yes. I think my state will dominate any unorganized place. Join me myrkul, with your warrior skillz we will rule like Gods! Think it over, and please accept this slave girl as a token of friendship. |
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March 22, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
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I don't know guys. I think anarchy is like communism. It sounds great on paper, but doesn't scale well beyond a commune. Anarchy is everything you enjoy in life, and violence is the opposite. Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want. I would charge you tribute or burn your village, take slaves, etc. Join me and be with the strong! In exchange for your unwavering obedience and occasional military service I will allow you to live in peace. Gota love anarchy! What you describe is not "anarchy," but an attempt (by you) to set up a state. Yes. I think my state will dominate any unorganized place. Join me myrkul, with your warrior skillz we will rule like Gods! Think it over, and please accept this slave girl as a token of friendship. Ahh, so you assume that simply because there are no rulers, therefore there is no organization, no effective resistance? Well, you know what they say about assuming....EDIT: They changed the site name on me. Link updated. |
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March 22, 2013, 06:36:44 PM |
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Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want.
Where would you get the money to organize an army? You wouldn't be able to print your own money. You wouldn't be able to borrow enough money either. Taxation is only working currently because billions of people believe it is morally right. Once that changes, you would be spending more money on bouncers than you would gain from pillaging. Especially with Bitcoin, where you can't even know how much you can pillage from a particular household. |
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RodeoX
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March 22, 2013, 07:08:06 PM |
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Personally I might do well in an anarchy. But make no mistake I would organize an army and take what I want.
Where would you get the money to organize an army? You wouldn't be able to print your own money. You wouldn't be able to borrow enough money either. Taxation is only working currently because billions of people believe it is morally right. Once that changes, you would be spending more money on bouncers than you would gain from pillaging. Especially with Bitcoin, where you can't even know how much you can pillage from a particular household. Temujin is my template. I would start by killing my closest neighbors with a few friends. Temujin led about 3-5 warriors when he started. By the end of his career he had taken most of the ungoverned land he knew of. You would know him better by the name Genghis Khan. |
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