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October 01, 2016, 10:36:42 PM
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Please note

As I release the full extent of Jawad aka Razorminds fraud

Upon leasing DeOS.io I agreed that I would not take
Payments until completion of the crowdsale.

However to protect myself and
My domain I kept a close eye and made myself available to
Razormind for any assistance.

However I began to get cold feet as Jawad kept avoided meeting
In person and avoided discussion of the london office or the other offices.

He never has shown to this day the platform he claims 27000 users are currently
Using.

All combined it became clear that he was a fraudster and decided to make good
By investigating further and compensate those that I recommended DeOS to
Through any payment I would receive for the assistance and leasing of DeOS.io
However when he refused even that I realised this is not only a fraudster but
Also somebody who likes to squeeze every last penny he can.

So the entire pivot to become a bitcoin ATM provider points to his attempt
To launder the entire ICO funds into cash.

I do think he will

A) deliver tokens that are not attached to any platform as such so useless.

B) Build a Dockerised image system with roughly hacked riak backend
   It will be of little or no value in all but name.

C) The above two are time buyers in order to be able to launder the
    Proceeds through overcharged costs such as videos or PR etc etc.

D) Bitcoin ATMs will be the only fast tracked project as currently the priority
    As swapping out several million dollars of BTC takes a few machines and a
    Few weeks at the least.

E) by the time the request for independent audit of the DeOS code or platform
   Is met the funds have been laundered and long gone.

F) Book desk spaces at fancy offices to create an air of legitimacy
   Staffed by no - one or freelancers or fresh newly appointed staff
   Who are completely unaware.

G) Claim stress, illness or family bereavement in the near future to buy
   More time to Launder further funds.

H) Attenpt to find a lawyer who is happy to bypass KYC / KYB on origin of
    Funds to silence any criticisms whilst the money is being moved.

I) Jawad will claim to be the victim of FUD and X y Z unfair treatment
   when asked why funds are not held by independent 3rd party escrow
   As promised basically misdirecting the question ( a trait of his obfuscation style)

J) increase ramp up lots of PR articles about Razormind and DeOS to keep
   The scam running a little longer. Looking to produce podcasts or anything
   To increase the perception of legitimacy.

K) Have paid for goons to intimidate online and offline any acotiviry which could increase
    The pace of pressure mounting for his arrest and quell discontent.

L) create lots of misinformation and misdirection or move attention away from himself
   Much like he did with me, this is Jawad buying more time.

Please remember Jawad is one of the most calculated and greed filled individuals
I have ever come across, their is not much he will not do for extra cash, no amount
is enough for him. 

When you hear the recording you will hear and see it was not even several minutes after
He put the phone down that he concocted lies and informed his so called non
Existent team of me being let go!

We are dealing with a very violent calculated individual who most likely will resort to any
Means to retain the funds.

It is in the best interest of all the community that he is arrested in earnest and funds
Seized and held in safe storage as we don't know where they could be going and which
Criminal enterprise.

He has already cashed upto 600k USD.

One advantage we have on our side he has done many actions which are plain
Criminal.





Rgds,

Ish

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October 01, 2016, 10:40:05 PM
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Am I supposed to post a profile pic like you have?  You're the only person I've seen do that.  How do I know you are showing the true you?  See, it can go on forever. 

No, it can go like this: https://www.facebook.com/spartak.tomanov

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October 01, 2016, 10:48:49 PM
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Please note

As I release the full extent of Jawad aka Razorminds fraud

Upon leasing DeOS.io I agreed that I would not take
Payments until completion of the crowdsale.

However to protect myself and
My domain I kept a close eye and made myself available to
Razormind for any assistance.

However I began to get cold feet as Jawad kept avoided meeting
In person and avoided discussion of the london office or the other offices.

He never has shown to this day the platform he claims 27000 users are currently
Using.

All combined it became clear that he was a fraudster and decided to make good
By investigating further and compensate those that I recommended DeOS to
Through any payment I would receive for the assistance and leasing of DeOS.io
However when he refused even that I realised this is not only a fraudster but
Also somebody who likes to squeeze every last penny he can.

So the entire pivot to become a bitcoin ATM provider points to his attempt
To launder the entire ICO funds into cash.

I do think he will

A) deliver tokens that are not attached to any platform as such so useless.

B) Build a Dockerised image system with roughly hacked riak backend
   It will be of little or no value in all but name.

C) The above two are time buyers in order to be able to launder the
    Proceeds through overcharged costs such as videos or PR etc etc.

D) Bitcoin ATMs will be the only fast tracked project as currently the priority
    As swapping out several million dollars of BTC takes a few machines and a
    Few weeks at the least.

E) by the time the request for independent audit of the DeOS code or platform
   Is met the funds have been laundered and long gone.

F) Book desk spaces at fancy offices to create an air of legitimacy
   Staffed by no - one or freelancers or fresh newly appointed staff
   Who are completely unaware.

G) Claim stress, illness or family bereavement in the near future to buy
   More time to Launder further funds.

H) Attenpt to find a lawyer who is happy to bypass KYC / KYB on origin of
    Funds to silence any criticisms whilst the money is being moved.

I) Jawad will claim to be the victim of FUD and X y Z unfair treatment
   when asked why funds are not held by independent 3rd party escrow
   As promised basically misdirecting the question ( a trait of his obfuscation style)

J) increase ramp up lots of PR articles about Razormind and DeOS to keep
   The scam running a little longer. Looking to produce podcasts or anything
   To increase the perception of legitimacy.

K) Have paid for goons to intimidate online and offline any acotiviry which could increase
    The pace of pressure mounting for his arrest and quell discontent.

L) create lots of misinformation and misdirection or move attention away from himself
   Much like he did with me, this is Jawad buying more time.

Please remember Jawad is one of the most calculated and greed filled individuals
I have ever come across, their is not much he will not do for extra cash, no amount
is enough for him. 

When you hear the recording you will hear and see it was not even several minutes after
He put the phone down that he concocted lies and informed his so called non
Existent team of me being let go!

We are dealing with a very violent calculated individual who most likely will resort to any
Means to retain the funds.

It is in the best interest of all the community that he is arrested in earnest and funds
Seized and held in safe storage as we don't know where they could be going and which
Criminal enterprise.

He has already cashed upto 600k USD.

One advantage we have on our side he has done many actions which are plain
Criminal.

Rgds,

Ish

Sent from iPhone

What the actual fuck is this bullshit? You are trying to justify your actions, to explain that this is a scam, or what? You still didn't proved you are Ismail Malik, but this also is not going to serve you any good imho. And what do you mean by violent? He touched your ass or what?

Can we simplify things for a moment?

1. Nothing at the table
2. Money raised
3. Some people got involved
4. FAIL

Pure and simple.

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October 01, 2016, 10:55:07 PM
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Am I supposed to post a profile pic like you have?  You're the only person I've seen do that.  How do I know you are showing the true you?  See, it can go on forever. 

No, it can go like this: https://www.facebook.com/spartak.tomanov

I was about to send you a friend request to show you my name and how it ties to my username but I just saw your reply to Ish, or whoever he is.  You are pretty hot-headed.  I'm out, no need to prove anything to you at this point.  It accomplishes nothing.  Besides, what in the hell would my motive be for faking anything I have written?  I have no idea what I would gain from it.

I lost BTC here and will live and learn from it.  If there is a way to join forces and bring some accountability to those who did this then I'm all for it.
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October 01, 2016, 11:02:02 PM
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I was about to send you a friend request to show you my name and how it ties to my username but I just saw your reply to Ish, or whoever he is.  You are pretty hot-headed.

That's up to you. When it comes to fool other people, then yes, I am. If it was my decision I can live with it. Everybody learns from their mistakes, no?

I'm out, no need to prove anything to you at this point.  It accomplishes nothing.

That's 101% true. But it was my personal decision to choose this way. That is why I am a FAILer. Smiley

Besides, what in the hell would my motive be for faking anything I have written?  I have no idea what I would gain from it.

There could be a lot of motives, giving the fact you are just registered. I told you that I won't bother my mind with that.

I lost BTC here and will live and learn from it.  If there is a way to join forces and bring some accountability to those who did this then I'm all for it.

I'm sorry if you really lost money on that, but hell yeah... there are a lot of things people can do by joining forces.

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October 01, 2016, 11:25:44 PM
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So your saying it's no use me
Proving i'm who I say I'm.

I read a post requesting to clarify
My position which I did.

Not sure with what your wanting from me?
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@Spartak_t

So your saying it's no use me
Proving i'm who I say I'm.

I read a post requesting to clarify
My position which I did.

Not sure with what your wanting from me?

To prove that you are Ismail Malik?

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So your saying it's no use me
Proving i'm who I say I'm.

I read a post requesting to clarify
My position which I did.

Not sure with what your wanting from me?

To prove that you are Ismail Malik?

Ish, never mind...he thinks that I could be you.  I don't know what reason that would serve. 

Since you are not apparently on bitcointalk very often it would be good for you to know that many people believe absolutely nothing that others write.  Some of this comes from experience because they have seen enough lies on here.  I don't think you should get worried about trying to prove who you are.

Can you post your emails and recordings on your deos.io website?

Also, do you believe Jawad lives in London, or Belfast, other?

Please provide any of this contact info that police investigators can use to locate him.
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Oh ok I was a little confused what all the chatter was about,

I don't mind uploading the recording and sharing emails with
Who ever would like to see them.

I must stress that Jawad is likely to make some
Excuse sick, bereavement or something that gets him time
and dissapear.

He is def not London based nor has he been.

He is UK based and some of the others running parallel investigations
Will be handing police further details.

The aim is to try to ensure funds are frozen prior to Jawad disappearing
And or exiting the UK.

Once he is gone it's all in vain as he has control of all funds.

If their ever was a time to step up the chase it's now.

As I said he feels the money is his and his alone that's why
No one else holds the multisig keys except him, plus that all
The others fo not exist or are just paid yes folk.

Can anyone advise revealing emails and or recordings can
It make them inadmissible in court?

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Oh ok I was a little confused what all the chatter was about,

I don't mind uploading the recording and sharing emails with
Who ever would like to see them.

I must stress that Jawad is likely to make some
Excuse sick, bereavement or something that gets him time
and dissapear.

He is def not London based nor has he been.

He is UK based and some of the others running parallel investigations
Will be handing police further details.

The aim is to try to ensure funds are frozen prior to Jawad disappearing
And or exiting the UK.

Once he is gone it's all in vain as he has control of all funds.

If their ever was a time to step up the chase it's now.

As I said he feels the money is his and his alone that's why
No one else holds the multisig keys except him, plus that all
The others fo not exist or are just paid yes folk.

Can anyone advise revealing emails and or recordings can
It make them inadmissible in court?



I don't know what UK laws holds but in the US it would be admissible in court. Revealing them now does nothing to the case (assuming there is one).

As you said though, now is the time to step things up or all will be lost.  Please post all that you have and let's rally the community to see how we can all help.  Let's make him feel the walls closing in on him.

Will you post it on deos.io?
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You'll need to ensure the full DKIM key is included so it proves the emails are legit.

If it turns out that there actually is no Jawad this would suggest a far more disturbing degree of long term planning and implementation than I originally thought. Or it could be that he really is the hopeless goon talking buzzwords and bullshit on those interviews and intends to attempt delivery of the useless minimum spec of the project he is required to contractually so he can keep the rest of the money.

Either way DeOS, the platform by Razormind, and DEOS the Omni-layer token are never, and were never, going to actually be what the investors were led to believe.


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I'm kinda sad for the people who dropped their money into SingularDTV. They paid for some kind of token, while we got real drama delivered almost immediately after the ICO!

The DeOS tokens started moving on Omni Layer a short time ago. Here is the issuance address:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=19fjCeiJcFQLBcWLe1MRYKGbZkm3nb7nzn

The address moved 91'658 to:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=1En1EB2CznxGstNh1uFUPARMhAtRoy3nzF

and then sent them out to the "investors" from there. I did get the tokens for the small amount that I had invested from this latter address.

Maybe they'll move the remaining tokens later, or maybe Jawad just raised roughly 91BTC in the crowd-sale? That would be much more realistic judging from the minimal media coverage that he got. There's this address with a large amount of BTC being handed around here, but the small amount that I invested still resides in the address that I sent it to. It would be kinda dumb for him to hand out individual addresses to investors and then send everything to one central address to "show off" the amount.

Pure speculation from my side: The crowd-sale numbers on the website were as false as everything else, Jawad raised roughly 91BTC. He's probably gonna buy himself a used Prius from the money. My Satoshi are lost because not a lot is going to happen from here on - the amount of money stolen was simply too small.
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October 02, 2016, 07:51:08 PM
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This whole Razormind is very much a scam in that everything stated
Was a lie, it's all non existent.


At best it will be an "operating system" consisting of nothing but web widgets and Omni Layer.

By the way I can vouch that AskIsh is the real Mailk as I have seen him in the slack channel since before the crowdfunding and he has mentioned to us he was posting here.

But then again my word probably doesn't matter because I am "a newbie with one post" in here anyway.
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October 02, 2016, 08:08:07 PM
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Jawad aka Razormind

Is currently got the BTC raised held
In several wallets some small some larger
This is all a method to make the trace
Difficult.

Has anyone had a chance to listen to the
Recording I posted.
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Jawad aka Razormind

Is currently got the BTC raised held
In several wallets some small some larger
This is all a method to make the trace
Difficult.

Has anyone had a chance to listen to the
Recording I posted.

I listened to the audio clip.  My honest impression now is that I'm left feeling even more confused about what the hell is going on.  Ish did indeed do some work with the crowdsale, and it sounds like there are others involved too.  So that makes me think there was actually a coordinated effort to have a purpose around something such as DEOS.  He talked about wanting to make Ish partner/VP, and that he disappeared for 2 weeks, which he was quite upset about because he needed the help. 

There is just a lot going on.  Some of it is personal relating to Ish's friendship with Nick, who invested 3 BTC into DEOS.  Nick has/had a relationship with Vantex and apparently Jawad believes strongly that Vantex screwed them over, and owes more than what the 3 BTC represents, and so he doesn't think Nick should get the DEOS.  Lots of emotions tied to this, for Ish and Jawad.  Ish clearly wants to make Nick whole and that pisses Jawad off.

Jawad sounds like a tough businessman who always feels he is on firm ground for his beliefs.  I think Ish started the conversation with the aim of reaching a predetermined outcome, whereas Jawad was trying to move forward with Ish repeatedly, to put him on salary at the end of it even, but Ish was resolved not to find a amicable way forward.  It is a employer/employee drama mostly.  It makes me believe there is something actually around Razormind, Ish even worked on the crowdsale...it would be good to know what his role was. 

Jawad cracked me up when he was telling Ish how to tell people to go F themselves, then he talked about a how a guy was holding his dick against a fan blade...lol. 

I would have gotten frustrated as a boss if I was having this conversation.  I don't get the feeling that this was a master scheme in the way that I was feeling before.  There are people involved, Vantex looks like a legit company...has worked with Factom and such.  Without a doubt the communication about DEOS has been horrendous.  I still feel like my BTC are 50/50 gone at this stage.  We'll see.

One final thought...at 39 minutes into the audio Jawad is talking about having millions of pounds, more than anything he has had in his life.  Ish posted about this previously.  However, it sounds like the audio was edited at this point and so I'm not sure what point Jawad was trying to make when he started with that.  It makes me suspicious on Ish's part that this was done.

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I'm kinda sad for the people who dropped their money into SingularDTV. They paid for some kind of token, while we got real drama delivered almost immediately after the ICO!

The DeOS tokens started moving on Omni Layer a short time ago. Here is the issuance address:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=19fjCeiJcFQLBcWLe1MRYKGbZkm3nb7nzn

The address moved 91'658 to:

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=1En1EB2CznxGstNh1uFUPARMhAtRoy3nzF

and then sent them out to the "investors" from there. I did get the tokens for the small amount that I had invested from this latter address.

Maybe they'll move the remaining tokens later, or maybe Jawad just raised roughly 91BTC in the crowd-sale? That would be much more realistic judging from the minimal media coverage that he got. There's this address with a large amount of BTC being handed around here, but the small amount that I invested still resides in the address that I sent it to. It would be kinda dumb for him to hand out individual addresses to investors and then send everything to one central address to "show off" the amount.

Pure speculation from my side: The crowd-sale numbers on the website were as false as everything else, Jawad raised roughly 91BTC. He's probably gonna buy himself a used Prius from the money. My Satoshi are lost because not a lot is going to happen from here on - the amount of money stolen was simply too small.


Thanks for posting this. Very positive news to see that DEOS are actually out there and being sent out.  I don't see anything in my wallet. 

Can you tell me what wallet you are using?  I've never been on a token issuance like this.  I use blockchain.info for my btc wallet.  What will I see when DEOS are sent to my address?  Or how do I claim them?
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October 03, 2016, 06:26:46 AM
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Has anyone had a chance to listen to the
Recording I posted.

Working my way through now.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

Some observations from the first few minutes are:

Jawad appears to be making some excuse about why the company is registered to a residential house, mumbling something about not wanting people to come and knock on the door, his mother who has cancer and his father a heart condition. Is he saying they live at 55 Clive Road or that they live somewhere else and that he didn't want to use their address? Can't quite make out the point he is making.

It is still a fact that a multi-national global corporation, as he fraudulently painted Razormind to be for the purposes of this ICO, shouldn't even have a residential address for a registered office. That seems to be being ignored entirely by him.

He mentions the BTMs being ordered, clearly an important part of his plan, and comments about a Level39 podcast being arranged but I can't find any mention of Razormind or DEOS on Level39's twitter.

THEN, and this is the weird part, at 3:38 he claims to have done a presentation for BP where they wanted to spend 3K for the whole project and he gives some smacktalk about how he'd take 3K upfront now from them but they aren't getting the whole project for 3K, before commenting around 3:55, "Feckin white people, do you know what I mean?".

So it sounds like he is just talking about some unrelated freelance work he's been trying to line up.

Well, that and also proving he's a fucking racist asshole who clearly feels secure in being openly racist about 'feckin white people' to another Muslim.





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October 03, 2016, 07:28:32 AM
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astmandu: The tokens are being issued on Omnilayer. You can go to https://www.omniwallet.org and enter the Bitcoin address that you used in the crowd-sale there. Even without logging in, you should be able to see whether there are DeOS tokens on that address. If you want to access the tokens, create a wallet and once you've done that, import the private key from the address you used in the crowd-sale into that wallet.

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. Issuing a token on Omnilayer doesn't take more than a few minutes and even that process was weird: I have been asked to send the Bitcoin address to them again even though they had themselves confirmed that address previously. Also, in the audio recording, Jawad is talking about issuing the tokens on Counterparty, but he now issued them on Omnilayer. Very shady.
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October 03, 2016, 07:35:12 AM
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cryptodevil: let's not go down that path, please. Jawad clearly says "black & white people" in the recording, referring to people who can't take a risk/buy into something unproven. Also, I wouldn't know of any Muslims of his skin color who would call non-Muslims "white people". This is neither a black vs. white nor a Muslims vs. the rest of the world thing. Just very likely a scam. Let's talk about that.
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