DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!!

[cryptodevil]

Update on police action:

This e-mail has been marked OFFICIAL [PUBLIC];

Dear Sir,

In relation to the case a report was forwarded to legal advisors which outlined the facts that were known about the case and they took the view that the chances of a successful prosecution were slim to none as the company was still operating and at that point we would be unable to prove that Razormind was not going to produce the platform as advertised.

Things have now taken a turn and we are now in a position to say that the company was set-up solely to commit fraud.  I have also been in conversation with HMRC (Tax men) who have requested that I identify any assets connected to Jawad to allow them to make a further move on him.

Unfortunately  I have to also inform you that even if we get him prosecuted the chances of the recovery of any of his victims finances will be very difficult at best with a high possibility that none will be recovered.

In order to put a full interview in place I am emailing you to ask if you would make a full Statement of evidence in relation you involvement with the company.

Unfortunately I require a hard copy signed by yourself.  This is required by our court system.  I also need to ask if you are willing to attend Court in the event that this case would go to a full trial. (This is all dependant on the defendants plea).

A statement can be made either by you attending your local Police Station and getting them to record a statement and posting a copy to me or recording a statement yourself on the documents I have attached. (It would be best if you send me a draft version via email first in order that it can be reviewed to ensure we have all the relevant points required)

I have included both formats of the statement form for you as I was unsure whether you wanted to type or hand write the statement. Please email me a copy before you post the original so that I can review it to be sure we cover all the points.

Please commence the statement by introducing yourself and giving detail of your profession.  DO NOT GIVE DETAIL OF YOUR ADDRESS.  Just state the you live at an address known to Police.  Do not paragraph or leave gaps. Also complete the witness detail form.

In the main body of the statement would you be so kind as to give detail to cover the following.

1.    How did you become aware of the existence of Razormind and what lead you to deal with this company.

2.    Detail of the product and its function you were hoping to purchase from this company.

3.    The choices given to you as method of payment. Include details in relation to transfer of funds, include details of wallet numbers. Please include total amount paid to Razormind.(This is essential to show the transfer of funds from your wallet to his.)
 
4.    If possible please include detail of any conversation with the company and with whom.

5.    Details of any agreement that you entered into with Razormind.

6.    A copy of the end user agreement in relation to the product.

7.    Detail in relation to what product if any you have received.

8.    Detail of any subsequent conversation or correspondence with Razormind in relation to you investing with the company. Include the result of any questions you asked.

9.     Please provide any email correspondence that was made between you and Razormind and refer to it in your statement. (Important to show what contact there was with Razormind).

Please email me a draft for review before committing to a full statement, this way we can be sure we have all points covered.

I know that is not ideal but probably the best we can do.

Any problems please do not hesitate to contact me.

 
Kind regards

Wm. Robinson
Economic Crime Unit
Southern Area
Police Service Northern Ireland
Detective Constable
P017871
Tel 101 Ext 40662
DD 02882256662

Anyone who has yet to file a criminal complaint about their stolen funds can contact DC Robinson directly to provide him with the relevant information. DM me if you need his email address as I didn't want to post it up in open forum.

[GrossBit]

good !!!!

yeh we may not recover our funds but it would be sweet to know this Jawad is in jail where he belongs and hope he will feel some big d!cks down his a$$

in a not-so related case, here is some more hope...

https://news.bitcoin.com/alleged-british-bitcoin-scammer-extradited-to-us-for-defrauding-over-36-million/

to all US people who were scammed by Jawad, report to the SEC, report to BOTH the UK and the US !!!!

[nutildah]

Update on police action:

you really deserve more merit than you get. both literally and figuratively.

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Update on police action:

you really deserve more merit than you get. both literally and figuratively.

This ^^^^^

[cryptodevil]

Thanks, guys.

Frankly, I'd be more interested in this story making it to mainstream media so we might find out wtf the connection to Jawad and MI5 is/was. He and his family definitely resided on the British intelligence services' high-security Palace Barracks in Northern Ireland for a period of time, which is not exactly a normal state of affairs.

I've tried tipping off some news sites about the fascinating elements of this case, in the hope a journalist would want to take it forward but there's been no response/interest.

[plastick]

Jawad went underground. He posted a bunch of bullshit facebook pics and hid any that might have comments. This leads me to believe he just made a new facebook page.

I wonder what he is going to do when all his money is gone? He can no longer pursue his career as it has some form of public identity associated with it. Looks like he will be cleaning toilets from then on.

Here is something funny https://soundcloud.com/jawad-yaqub

[cryptodevil]

Oh he's not that far underground. He can't help himself but be drawn back to social media to post something deep and meaningful, about himself.

He saved lives, dontchaknow?! I wonder if that was before or after he defrauded people out of millions of dollars-worth of bitcoin?

[plastick]

Yeah that's his first tweet in 3 years.

The only people who virtue signal are people who know they are gigantic pieces of shit.

I think he is just tired of being messed with on FB because he does have some new internet activity elsewhere.

http://jawadyaqub.com
Registered on 2018-01-18

https://www.instagram.com/jawadyaqub/

Some of his other accounts sit unused though

https://www.reddit.com/user/JawadYaqub/
https://medium.com/@jawadyaqub/latest

[CoinClarity]

Okay CD, I read the whooollle thread and I have a couple of questions.

Since this is all public information now anyway, might as well answer here for everybody to understand.

1. Is it possible one of Jawad's family members has a spouse that is authorized to live in the barracks? That would explain the "MI-5 connection." Perhaps he himself never lived there, but either a sister or a brother had a spouse with a military / government job.

2. I can't seem to find the source for the frequently-cited "millions and millions of pounds" audio clip. It seems to be no longer available.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

Is there another source for it?

Jawad aka Razormind

Is currently got the BTC raised held
In several wallets some small some larger
This is all a method to make the trace
Difficult.

Has anyone had a chance to listen to the
Recording I posted.

I listened to the audio clip.  My honest impression now is that I'm left feeling even more confused about what the hell is going on.  Ish did indeed do some work with the crowdsale, and it sounds like there are others involved too.  So that makes me think there was actually a coordinated effort to have a purpose around something such as DEOS.  He talked about wanting to make Ish partner/VP, and that he disappeared for 2 weeks, which he was quite upset about because he needed the help.  

....

One final thought...at 39 minutes into the audio Jawad is talking about having millions of pounds, more than anything he has had in his life.

OK that's all I have to ask for now. Thanks.

[CoinClarity]

I'm kind of surprised nobody caught this.

Among his list of impressive credentials supplied for a 2015 talk on computer programming languages on Youtube, is this gem:

"He has done a PhD in Artificial Intelligence and was voted Time’s Man of the Year in 2006."

I had to know who it actually was, and lol'd when I discovered he was right (in a way).

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16242528/ns/us_news-life/t/time-magazines-person-year-you/#.Wv6gjUiFM2w

[cryptodevil]

was voted Time’s Man of the Year in 2006."

Umm, to be honest I was surprised you even referenced this in the article as I thought everybody already knew that year's award essentially results in everyone being able to claim they were 'awarded' the title.

1. Is it possible one of Jawad's family members has a spouse that is authorized to live in the barracks?

The whole family is listed on the voters roll as being registered to that address a few years back, that wouldn't be possible if it was simply the home of a spouse.

2. I can't seem to find the source for the frequently-cited "millions and millions of pounds" audio clip. It seems to be no longer available.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

Is there another source for it?

Either the link expired or it was taken down by Ish. You'd need to ask him to post it up again I think. A bunch of us in this thread listened to it, though, as you can see there are a number of posts made directly quoting from it. Jawad absolutely did exclaim in it "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life!", referencing the funds received from the crowdsale.

Ok, I've gone through the whole recording and Jawad basically spends the entire time after instructing Ish to tell Nick from Vanbex to go fuck himself about his 3btc crowdsale investment, complaining about Ish having gone away for two weeks without telling him and repeatedly slagging Vanbex off for "fucking us over".

Ish, why does he feel Vanbex screwed him over?

Because I bet this article of theirs http://www.econotimes.com/Razorminds-DeOS-Crowdsale-Raises-US-$19M-in-Bitcoin-241414 helped him collect a lot more than the six thousand dollars they were being paid.

This:
JAWAD 38:55 : "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life. [sound abruptly cuts at this point to Jawad then talking about how Ishmail wasn't around when he needed to get advice from him]"

Pretty much is what we suspected all along, that Jawad considers that 'crowdsale' (ICO) money as his.

Also, going back to the beginning of the call, at 4:50 Ish ask if Phil (Sturgeon) is going to be coming into the office and Jawad answers in a somewhat dismissive way, "Yes, he will, so will [Adams?] and all the others. . .just . . ." but then redirects the focus to something he's doing on his desktop, "Let me just check this thing, tokens are going out . . ."

It is almost as though he doesn't want the topic of the discussion to remain on the issue of Phil and others coming into 'the office'. Listen for yourself, you'll see what I mean.

To prospect for funds under a false premise
And then attempt to launder those proceeds
through cash are serious offences and as
it amounts to several million USD in value
It is likely to be dealt with by the Serious Fraud Office.

Correct, this bullshit 'it was a crowdsale not an ICO' excuse doesn't cover for the fact that people would have bought into this 'crowdsale' under the impression that Razormind was a substantial operation with hundreds of staff and offices all over the world and that DeOS was already a legitimate platform with 27,000 active users. As he intended through his intentionally fraudulent website and interviews.

That it netted him several million dollars in bitcoin elevates it to an SFO-level response at the very least.

[plastick]

surprised you even referenced this in the article as I thought everybody already knew that year's award essentially results in everyone being able to claim they were 'awarded' the title.

Not surprised he used that since he is always so willing to claim false credentials, like claiming a phd in 'a.i.' from a university that offers no such thing. He has a degree in philosophy which is the easiest degree anybody could ever get. It is as worthless as a degree in liberal arts or gender studies.


UPDATE:
Jawads facebook has been updated. His new facebook name is Jawad Joya.
https://www.facebook.com/jawad.yaqub

[CoinClarity]

Okay after 2 weeks of being up we resolved our one threat we received for legal action against our website. So I feel comfortable posting this now. You guys might find it a good read (I got 80% of the info from this thread, 15% from other threads and 5% from elsewhere):

https://coinclarity.com/spotting-a-scamcoin-number-2/

I'm also looking for more story ideas, feel free to PM me or post here if you have any.

Ethconnect sounds pretty interesting for this week.

[plastick]

Jawad on the run?

Looks like he has finally deleted his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/jawad.yaqub

**edit** He did not delete his facebook, he just changed the url. My facebook support inbox features a reply from facebook staff when I had reported him for having a fake name, which includes a link to his profile. Unfortunately for him, the link now points to his new facebook url. https://www.facebook.com/jawad.y.joya

May he spend the rest of his days hiding and looking over his shoulder.

[plastick]

I just got this email:

From: "zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk" <zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: OFFICIAL [PUBLIC]: Razormind DeOS Police investigation

This e-mail has been marked OFFICIAL [PUBLIC];

Did you invest cryptocurrency with Razormind in 2016?

 

Detectives in the Economic Crime Unit of the Police Service of Northern Ireland are investigating allegations of Fraud against a company called Razormind Ltd.

 

It is alleged that in 2016 several members of the Public invested cryptocurrency with Razormind in exchange for “DeOS tokens”, which were to have a value on the forthcoming DeOS operating system being designed by Razormind. It is further alleged that following the investment window Razormind withdrew from contact with those who invested and ceased trading shortly afterwards.

 

If you believe that you have been a victim of this alleged fraud, please reply to this e-mail (ZRazormindinvestigation) and we will arrange to record your complaint.

 

Kind regards

 

Detective Sergeant Peter Stewart.

[SatyrA]

I just got this email:

From: "zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk" <zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: OFFICIAL [PUBLIC]: Razormind DeOS Police investigation

This e-mail has been marked OFFICIAL [PUBLIC];

Did you invest cryptocurrency with Razormind in 2016?

 

Detectives in the Economic Crime Unit of the Police Service of Northern Ireland are investigating allegations of Fraud against a company called Razormind Ltd.

 

It is alleged that in 2016 several members of the Public invested cryptocurrency with Razormind in exchange for “DeOS tokens”, which were to have a value on the forthcoming DeOS operating system being designed by Razormind. It is further alleged that following the investment window Razormind withdrew from contact with those who invested and ceased trading shortly afterwards.

 

If you believe that you have been a victim of this alleged fraud, please reply to this e-mail (ZRazormindinvestigation) and we will arrange to record your complaint.

 

Kind regards

 

Detective Sergeant Peter Stewart.

Me too. Is it real investigation or some sort of scam? Where did police find emails?

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I just got this email:

From: "zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk" <zRazormindInvestigation@psni.pnn.police.uk>

<snip>

Detective Sergeant Peter Stewart.

Me too. Is it real investigation or some sort of scam? Where did police find emails?

The address is "real", and so is a DS Peter Stewart.

[plastick]

Where did police find emails?

I just assumed they got mine from filing complaints with multiple agencies.

[richman4243]

I received the same email and wonder how they got my email address.

I remember I was investigating how to file a complaint. However I don't think I did because I could not find how to make a complaint from Canada.

If someone can remind me, was there a general form that was filled for UK police? Thanks!

[SatyrA]

I and some others filed a complaint with actionfraud and encourage you to see if they will share what they are doing.

I have and I, too, recommend people file a Fraud Report Form http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

The more alerts the authorities can be given, the more likely Jawad and Co can be stopped before the money is irrecoverable.

Also, I'm left wondering if Cointelegraph received payment from Razormind for publishing the stories, such as one would do for press releases.

Frankly Cointelegraph have an appalling record on that front, with active and known scams still being promoted through adverts, advertorials, sponsored articles and those which are non-sponsored but clearly unresearched and utterly lacking the most basic of due diligence.

As I have said before, a journalist doesn't have to put out a negative article on a project or service they suspect is a scam, but they sure as shit shouldn't be putting out uncritical pieces on projects or services which are riddled with easily-found holes and red flags from the outset.

I will be interested in the subsequent articles in the series, Niall, but let's not kid ourselves here, your claim towards having not received a cent from this sham company doesn't really explain your evident voluntary participation in it. You must have been offered something and the question is going to be when you were offered that 'something'. Was it prior to or after the two promotional articles you wrote which read as though Razormind were a serious corporate entity with bold assertions such as, "A UK company Razormind is going to be rivalling Ethereum offering alternative options in crypto, blockchain and smart contracts to corporate giants such as Microsoft, Eris and IBM. "?

Received: from Actual (218.120.115.87.dyn.plus.net [87.115.120.218]) (Authenticated sender: jawad@razormind.co.uk) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4F385FB881; Fri,
  5 Aug 2016 05:16:10 +0200 (CEST)
From: Jawad Yaqub <jawad@razormind.co.uk>
 

This is a good time then to announce some great friends:

*        Niall Maye - Communications and Strategy Advisor.

On the one hand you claim the sham company Razormind and its subsequent sham 'crowdsale' to be akin to the cryptographic puzzle Kryptos and have just posted:

It was me who didn't do my due dilligence properly and ask for evidence of offices and a headcount of staff.

Yet nobody needed an onerous headcount of staff, you simply needed to look the company up on the UK Companies House Register https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/ to see it had only been incorporated in February of this year, with a semi-detached residential house as R.O. and that all prior incorporations linked to Jawad and Phil have ended up in compulsory strike-off.

I get that your defence is predicated on not realising it was a scam until too late, but to now be painting it as being so complex and convoluted a scam that you could not easily see that the company was a sham is just absurd and, given CT's history of doing absolutely fuck-all about the scams promoted on its own website, you'll have to excuse my cynicism as to your claim CT didn't get any money from this.

The link is obsolete now