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[–]icojaka 2 points 48 minutes ago Yes, as of now I publicly allow any exchange that wants to list ICN that it can. OK. I did it. Now its up to exchanges to list us. Want to know whether they will? Ask them.
I do still wonder what this "NDA" stuff was for to start with and now suddenly, there are no NDA's for other exchanges and everyone are free to list? Why didn't you or someone else from the team come forward with this information earlier? Im 90% sure that I saw you saying before that more exchanges were planned, what happened with that? I know you are not the exchange but you had a NDA for some weird reason. This looks more scummy by the day. So now no NDA ... is just the big bad exchanges that just don't fucking want to add the token ... but they are adding all kind of shit coins day one. These guys really must think everyone is retarded ! I do wander what the fuck did you guys really gain from this manipulation? It would've been so nice and clean to just let things normally go on any exchange that wanted to add the token. What fucking deals could've you done with these exchanges to worth being fucked over and over day by day on every channels ... and why? You just got 10 mil$ ... I hope you will finally shut up when polo lists ICN. You're more than annoying with that nonsense your posting all day. I hope I am annoying enough so that you and others might start using their brains ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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December 05, 2016, 12:02:44 PM |
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[–]icojaka 2 points 48 minutes ago Yes, as of now I publicly allow any exchange that wants to list ICN that it can. OK. I did it. Now its up to exchanges to list us. Want to know whether they will? Ask them.
I do still wonder what this "NDA" stuff was for to start with and now suddenly, there are no NDA's for other exchanges and everyone are free to list? Why didn't you or someone else from the team come forward with this information earlier? Im 90% sure that I saw you saying before that more exchanges were planned, what happened with that? I know you are not the exchange but you had a NDA for some weird reason. This looks more scummy by the day. So now no NDA ... is just the big bad exchanges that just don't fucking want to add the token ... but they are adding all kind of shit coins day one. These guys really must think everyone is retarded ! I do wander what the fuck did you guys really gain from this manipulation? It would've been so nice and clean to just let things normally go on any exchange that wanted to add the token. What fucking deals could've you done with these exchanges to worth being fucked over and over day by day on every channels ... and why? You just got 10 mil$ ... I hope you will finally shut up when polo lists ICN. You're more than annoying with that nonsense your posting all day. I hope I am annoying enough so that you and others might start using their brains ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) okay, we use our brains and then what? What EXACTLY will that achieve? Poloniex will fucking list ICN magically and pump that shit to the moon so that you can finally exit with your wanted X5 profit?
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December 05, 2016, 12:05:46 PM |
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okay, we use our brains and then what?
What EXACTLY will that achieve?
Poloniex will fucking list ICN magically and pump that shit to the moon so that you can finally exit with your wanted X5 profit?
So you are actually asking me what's the point of using your brain ? No wander the devs have fucked us hard ... they knew most people are afraid to use their brains
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December 05, 2016, 12:11:46 PM |
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okay, we use our brains and then what?
What EXACTLY will that achieve?
Poloniex will fucking list ICN magically and pump that shit to the moon so that you can finally exit with your wanted X5 profit?
So you are actually asking me what's the point of using your brain ? No wander the devs have fucked us hard ... they knew most people are afraid to use their brains nope. I am asking you what exactly will happen once we used our "brain"
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December 05, 2016, 12:22:09 PM |
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okay, we use our brains and then what?
What EXACTLY will that achieve?
Poloniex will fucking list ICN magically and pump that shit to the moon so that you can finally exit with your wanted X5 profit?
So you are actually asking me what's the point of using your brain ? No wander the devs have fucked us hard ... they knew most people are afraid to use their brains nope. I am asking you what exactly will happen once we used our "brain" It seems ICN has not filed for polo and bittrex, although people complain to all of it and dreaming to go to the moon .. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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December 05, 2016, 12:50:57 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
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December 05, 2016, 01:30:27 PM |
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There will be a spike once the AMA session starts tomorrow
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December 05, 2016, 01:40:29 PM |
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There will be a spike once the AMA session starts tomorrow
Sorry on Wednesday..not tomorrow ... ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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December 05, 2016, 01:50:22 PM |
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okay, we use our brains and then what?
What EXACTLY will that achieve?
Poloniex will fucking list ICN magically and pump that shit to the moon so that you can finally exit with your wanted X5 profit?
So you are actually asking me what's the point of using your brain ? No wander the devs have fucked us hard ... they knew most people are afraid to use their brains nope. I am asking you what exactly will happen once we used our "brain" If we would use our brains the way he does we would probably end up on Shutter Island like he does! I used to laugh so much about this dude. Spitting random bull**it and can't even proof anything he states. Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
Good news. I'm all in, got all my ICN I want and now just wait till we go lunar. There will be a spike once the AMA session starts tomorrow
Like last time? Maybe, maybe not. It will depend on the answers we get and how promising they are. What really would help us, if some big newspaper would write an article about ICN and the Chinese would jump on the hype train, too.
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December 05, 2016, 02:05:46 PM |
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Because most of you don't have a brain to put two and two together, let's make it as simple as possible.
This might or might not be true (take with grain of salt) but Im fairly sure these are the reasons:
(Liqui I won't even talk about because they are nobodies)
1) Kraken insta-listed because Iconomi will be using them as their liquidity provider (for the main tokens/coins BTC most probably), so a deal might be in place hense the NDA, they have stated that there will be no order books when entering and exit positions in the OFM for your investors so these will be executed through a backend system connected to ICONOMI to/from exchanges.
2) That ofcourse leaves a few coins/tokens (looking at ICNX additions/removals DGD,Steem, etc etc which might be available for OFM later on) on another exchange (for liquidity reasons) that aren't listed. So we are left with 2 altcoin exchanges Poloniex and Bittrex as ICNX/OFM rebalancing/purchasing/liquidating needs to be done outside Kraken (non listed coins) .. My guess is they have a special deal (NDA) for lower / no fees / market making with one of the two.
TLDR: For addition of other coins into ICNX/OFM they need someone that provides a bigger variety of coins. Poloniex has the biggest volume on most alts (so slippage is minimal) vs Bittrex, it's either one or the other and the news will probably hit us on ICNX/INCP for a new exchange or will be kept under wraps until OFM launches.
So keep calm and Iconomi on...
Very nice post. I'd like to add this: Iconomi is all about connecting traditional economy with crypto. It means that the flow of money is fiat---->crypto Having Kraken at the front is perfect implementation of that strategy, while Polo adds very little to it. Polo is good for pumping alt/shit coins, and it was clear from Day1 that Iconomi team is not into that AT ALL. I still think it is better to have slow and balanced grow aligned with the actual product achievements than polo steroids for short time which have nothing real behind it. You know why? Because once the platform will reach maturity, the price jump will be stronger than anything that polo can generate now. Or comparing it to a guy that goes to the gym: All polo cry babies are like the dudes that just want to pump their arms fast for the summer time. They achieve that by filling the arm with liquids and not with muscle tissue. On the other hand we have this guy that wants to have a strong and balanced body, and for that he needs to work hard over long period of time. Sure that after 2 months he won't have the big arms like the first one, but guess who will kick ass after 1-2 years? edit: spelling
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December 05, 2016, 02:19:12 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
ICN is ready for fly agreed with you it looking like it will move to 200k with first run. Huge potential for big rise so hold and enjoy with big price for per token soon.
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December 05, 2016, 02:23:33 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
looks nice this is a good support for iconomi.
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December 05, 2016, 03:19:47 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
ICN is ready for fly agreed with you it looking like it will move to 200k with first run. Huge potential for big rise so hold and enjoy with big price for per token soon. Seeing many things that may have happened in the beginning of the year for the ICN, and bought at a very, very cheap and wait for early in the year to await ICN hike .. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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December 05, 2016, 03:26:20 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
Every second day, we hear buy wall has reached -- , now the price will rise to the moon. And icn / btc rate isn't affected much after that. The real pump would happen when it's trade volume increases. With such a low daily trading volume, each trade is affecting the price of icn. Hopefully, when dividends come, icn volume will increase. Eventually many more exchanges would list icn. Then we can see the real journey of icn to moon.
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December 05, 2016, 03:32:50 PM |
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... Or comparing it to a guy that goes to the gym: All polo cry babies are like the dudes that just want to pump their arms fast for the summer time. They achieve that by filling the arm with liquids and not with muscle tissue. On the other hand we have this guy that wants to have a strong and balanced body, and for that he needs to work hard over long period of time. Sure that after 2 months he won't have the big arms like the first one, but guess who will kick ass after 1-2 years?
The largest trading volume of top 10 cryptos by MarketCap is on Poloniex, not Kraken (Ethereum, Monero, Dash, Maid, Augur, Steem, Nem...) Are you suggesting these are all pump & dump shitcoins?
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December 05, 2016, 03:34:02 PM |
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When will be the dividends? how much will be? Where will the cahs? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net%2Fx%2F2edhE1k2%2F&t=665&c=EZ5kgYIK-WP7uA)
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December 05, 2016, 03:35:05 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
Every second day, we hear buy wall has reached -- , now the price will rise to the moon. And icn / btc rate isn't affected much after that. The real pump would happen when it's trade volume increases. With such a low daily trading volume, each trade is affecting the price of icn. Hopefully, when dividends come, icn volume will increase. Eventually many more exchanges would list icn. Then we can see the real journey of icn to moon. Actually the buy wall was @150K for quite a long time. I don't think that first dividends will be attractive, besides the fact that dividends were actually paid. ICN price will be determined by the quality of the product, and not by daily trading volume. The trading volume is just another symptom.
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December 05, 2016, 03:39:54 PM |
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Devs are not motivated to reach to Bitfinex, Poloniex, Bittrex to list ICN because they're afraid it will pump & dump too soon, before their 6-months lockup period is over.
Putting blame on exchanges is just way of forcing that same 6-month lockup period on us investors, in a quiet & indirect manner.
Also, that 6-month lockup period, is just the minimum they want to hold ICN off the large exchanges... they've got plenty of reserves ($10.5m to be exact), so they have no problem waiting, unless they're pressured with legal action by the community to stop hiding behind NDAs.
LOL. I think you are not familiar on what ICN really plans for the project. They are not afraid for the ICN price pump and dump because it is just happening right now, See for yourself on kraken. ICN devs are not focus on the exchange because that is not the essence of ICONOMI, But i will gave you a few heads up. They are planning to release their own trading platform so that the ICN investors can sell directly their ICN shares on the Iconomi site. Don't focus on exchanged, just wait for the dividends if you really want to enjoy the benefits of iconomi. I don't care about their own trading platform. I'm suggesting legal action against Cashila because they raised $10.5 million based mainly on their promise that ICN will be listed on top exchanges, but now that ICO is over, they're hiding behind NDAs, instead of being proactive to list ICN on top exchanges like they promised during ICO.
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December 05, 2016, 03:44:41 PM |
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Those two big buy walls on Kraken have moved above 200K. Looks like the race is about to start soon
Every second day, we hear buy wall has reached -- , now the price will rise to the moon. And icn / btc rate isn't affected much after that. The real pump would happen when it's trade volume increases. With such a low daily trading volume, each trade is affecting the price of icn. Hopefully, when dividends come, icn volume will increase. Eventually many more exchanges would list icn. Then we can see the real journey of icn to moon. Actually the buy wall was @150K for quite a long time. I don't think that first dividends will be attractive, besides the fact that dividends were actually paid. ICN price will be determined by the quality of the product, and not by daily trading volume. The trading volume is just another symptom. I think any kind of dividends (unless they are completely negligible) would be huge news. It would mean the company is working and growing and the market will price in any future grow and potential like it happens with stock companies. The problem right now is that the crypto scene or bubble seems to have popped for now, BTC pumped and many alts lost almost 100% in value. Now BTC is dumping and the bleeding continues...so not sure what's going on.
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December 05, 2016, 03:47:04 PM |
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... Or comparing it to a guy that goes to the gym: All polo cry babies are like the dudes that just want to pump their arms fast for the summer time. They achieve that by filling the arm with liquids and not with muscle tissue. On the other hand we have this guy that wants to have a strong and balanced body, and for that he needs to work hard over long period of time. Sure that after 2 months he won't have the big arms like the first one, but guess who will kick ass after 1-2 years?
The largest trading volume of top 10 cryptos by MarketCap is on Poloniex, not Kraken (Ethereum, Monero, Dash, Maid, Augur, Steem, Nem...) Are you suggesting these are all pump & dump shitcoins? Not at all. The purpose of those app tokens is not to bring fiat investors into crypto. For them it is essential to be traded on a crypto-only exchange, since their target audience is crypto users. Like I wrote, Iconomi has quite the opposite approach - bring the fiat investors into crypto. How many of these potential fiat investors are going to buy ICN, if it would be listed on polo and not Kraken? Most of them don't know, and don't want to know how to buy or use bitcoin. As for all these privacy-oriented coins - you'd be surprised how minor and insignificant the privacy niche is outside crypto community. For 99% of people out there, the level of privacy that bitcoin provides is more than enough.
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