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November 17, 2016, 07:02:22 PM |
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This topic just created many conspiracy theories, except that this thread is full with useless comments from people who didnt even read more then headline. Danger or not people will use bitcoins as long as they have some benefits from that. People do many dangerous things for profit and there is no point to talk about who created it, with what purpose, that doesnt mean nothing. If people make profit they will use it, secretly or not, illegal or legal, doesnt matter, as long you can earn money for yourself and your close ones.
The danger lies on the people using this. As you have said, people makes way to earn their income regardless of this is on the law or against the law. I wonder what are they trying to prove here but i would difinitely have to agree with you that this is some pointless topic for us to talk about. This reminds me alot of the gun argument people have. A gun cannot kill a person alone. It needs a human being behind it to load it and aim it and then shoot it. You cannot blame the gun. If they ban guns then they will just use some other weapon. Same with bitcoin. I don't really seen any dangers of bitcoin. If you talking about the black market well.... That is nothing new that has been going on for thousands of years. May the danger of bitcoin is sending to the wrong address ? >.<
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mindrust (OP)
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November 17, 2016, 07:07:52 PM |
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Have you thought that bitcoin maybe the first step of this utopia? What if CIA behind this project? Would you still keep your money as bitcoins? Would you trust them? Do we know who the hell is Satoshi Nakamoto? I suure don't.
Do you believe that is easy for CIA or NSA to monitor a cryptocurrency like bitcoin globally? It is more easy bankers to cooperate each other with the help of secret services. Isn't it? Decentralized coins is the fear of financial institutions. There is one big danger ahead. If the paper money gets removed, you will have no choice but to accept to get paid in crypto currencies. And to the big point:
If you keep your money in a goddamn computer, the government can rip you off instantly if they wanted it. I am not saying they aren't doing that already as most of us are keeping *our wealth in the banks. But cryptos will make their jobs easier. Much easier.
But if I let my money in the computers of a bank am I safe? Do I know what are they doing with my money? Have you ever listen about savings 'haircut' so your money go to save the damaged banks without anyone ask youif you agree about it? I am not sure if that's a good thing. Being dependent so much on computers just scares me.
Ordinary people should not be afraid about their bitcoins. What they fear are big bankers and those who control the banking system. No, you are not safe with banks, computers of any kind. Simple Rule: " If you can't lick it, you don't own it. " Take it any way you like. I take it for bitcoin too. Like i said before, It is impossible to live on by holding just gold. It is Impractical. What you need is diversifying your shit. Some of that, some of those, some bitcoins, some gold, some fiat, some stocks. And you will be fine.
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November 17, 2016, 08:15:08 PM |
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This reminds me alot of the gun argument people have. A gun cannot kill a person alone. It needs a human being behind it to load it and aim it and then shoot it. You cannot blame the gun. If they ban guns then they will just use some other weapon. Same with bitcoin. I don't really seen any dangers of bitcoin. If you talking about the black market well.... That is nothing new that has been going on for thousands of years. May the danger of bitcoin is sending to the wrong address ? >.<
You miss the whole point of that argument Guns are better than baseball bats, while baseball bats are better than bare fists. With a good gun you can reach and touch someone half a mile away (or even farther). You can do basically nothing with your fists or bat if the guy you want to do away with is properly guarded. Could Lee Oswald kill John Kennedy if he hadn't had a sniper rifle? I guess no. That's why they want to ban guns, and that's why they might want to ban Bitcoin in particular and the blockchain technology in general
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berserkinterbuy
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November 23, 2016, 08:56:51 PM |
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This reminds me alot of the gun argument people have. A gun cannot kill a person alone. It needs a human being behind it to load it and aim it and then shoot it. You cannot blame the gun. If they ban guns then they will just use some other weapon. Same with bitcoin. I don't really seen any dangers of bitcoin. If you talking about the black market well.... That is nothing new that has been going on for thousands of years. May the danger of bitcoin is sending to the wrong address ? >.<
You miss the whole point of that argument Guns are better than baseball bats, while baseball bats are better than bare fists. With a good gun you can reach and touch someone half a mile away (or even farther). You can do basically nothing with your fists or bat if the guy you want to do away with is properly guarded. Could Lee Oswald kill John Kennedy if he hadn't had a sniper rifle? I guess no. That's why they want to ban guns, and that's why they might want to ban Bitcoin in particular and the blockchain technology in general The most important thing that you need to be afraid of it that they can use bitcoin for criminal purposes, and is not cryptocurrency became an officially recognized currency in the world, there is a danger in the ban.
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one-day0
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November 23, 2016, 09:44:37 PM |
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This reminds me alot of the gun argument people have. A gun cannot kill a person alone. It needs a human being behind it to load it and aim it and then shoot it. You cannot blame the gun. If they ban guns then they will just use some other weapon. Same with bitcoin. I don't really seen any dangers of bitcoin. If you talking about the black market well.... That is nothing new that has been going on for thousands of years. May the danger of bitcoin is sending to the wrong address ? >.<
You miss the whole point of that argument Guns are better than baseball bats, while baseball bats are better than bare fists. With a good gun you can reach and touch someone half a mile away (or even farther). You can do basically nothing with your fists or bat if the guy you want to do away with is properly guarded. Could Lee Oswald kill John Kennedy if he hadn't had a sniper rifle? I guess no. That's why they want to ban guns, and that's why they might want to ban Bitcoin in particular and the blockchain technology in general The most important thing that you need to be afraid of it that they can use bitcoin for criminal purposes, and is not cryptocurrency became an officially recognized currency in the world, there is a danger in the ban. I'm more worried about the lack of legal support bitcoin users. While on the other hand in the registration data need purse. So everything should be legal.
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November 23, 2016, 09:46:34 PM |
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I dont understand why people still think Govs can stop bitcoin. It is impossible for them to do that. Just like the community is dealing with the scaling situation, it would only be a matter of time before we had a work around if the Govs tried to stop it. For example there is talk about adding anonymity to bitcoin. Govs cant stop guns, drugs, prostitution or bitcoin.
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Yutikas_11920
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November 23, 2016, 10:00:11 PM |
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I dont understand why people still think Govs can stop bitcoin. It is impossible for them to do that. Just like the community is dealing with the scaling situation, it would only be a matter of time before we had a work around if the Govs tried to stop it. For example there is talk about adding anonymity to bitcoin. Govs cant stop guns, drugs, prostitution or bitcoin.
It all depends on the situation in the future. If in the future the bitcoin is already showing its original face and looks that bitcoin has the potential of very profitable then it's not going to happen and all the things you say will turn into a support bitcoin. So this all is not a big problem if indeed in the future growth of the bitcoin is very good and does not harm the
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SmirnoffVany
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November 23, 2016, 10:44:53 PM |
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The danger lies for bitcoin in the bitcoin, in the format in which it currently exists. Anonymity can sometimes act as a negative factor that attracts different people who can take advantage of it.
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MONKEYJUNK
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November 23, 2016, 11:03:45 PM |
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What if the government controls the fiat currency, credit cards and all stuffs like this?
Oh, they control!
Cryptos are other world and cryptos and digital currency isn't the same.
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November 23, 2016, 11:20:07 PM Last edit: November 24, 2016, 07:34:02 PM by cjmoles |
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I think that the OP here is underestimating the value of what the blockchain has to offer and is over simplifying the concept of the functional value of the currency as a whole. It goes back to the notion of what a currency is meant to accomplish....is it a measure to store value, a means to exchange goods and services, a device to control populations, or mixture of all those aspects? When we go back and look at some of the philosophies that encouraged the creation of the blockchain from the beginning, it's evident that what we have now and the altruistic reasoning that initially created it, differ significantly....Those differences pose the most significant dangers in my opinion. Are the cryptocurrencies vehicles which promote greed, power, and corruption, or are the cryptocurrencies mechanisms which have the power to promote social, political, and economic changes? I believe that the blockchain technologies will provide the people with a means to re-establish control over themselves, as opposed to allowing themselves to be controlled by centralized bodies....The cryptocurrencies are disruptive to the oppressive techniques of the ruling classes....they're dangerous to them and an asset to the people.
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maister77777
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November 23, 2016, 11:30:17 PM |
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I think that the OP here is underestimating the value of what the blockchain has to offer and is over simplifying the concept of of the functional value of the currency as a whole. It goes back to the notion of what a currency is meant to accomplish....is it a measure to store value, a means to exchange goods and services, a device to control populations, or mixture of all those aspects? When we go back and look at some of the philosophies that encouraged the creation of the blockchain from the beginning, it's evident that what we have now and the altruistic reasoning that initially created it, differ significantly....Those differences pose the most significant dangers in my opinion. Are the cryptocurrencies vehicles which promote greed, power, and corruption, or are the cryptocurrencies mechanisms which have the power to promote social, political, and economic changes? I believe that the blockchain technologies will provide the people with a means to re-establish control over themselves, as opposed to allowing themselves to be controlled by centralized bodies....The cryptocurrencies are disruptive to the oppressive techniques of the ruling classes....they're dangerous to them and an asset to the people.
I think still remember the case of Bitfinex, which took place this summer. Nobody thought that the hack th stolen. Many users have lost their bitcoin, but a lot of the first sold in fear of falling prices. But nothing can be done. But the fact remains that the risk is always present.
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hase0278
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November 24, 2016, 12:53:40 PM |
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Seeing something like the situation OP mentioned is scary, since it will be easy for some to interfere with someone's money especially those who are very skilled in computer hacking and stuff about computer. Also it would make easier for government to rip our moneys instantly if they want too by hiring a skilled hacker. It will just ease paying something when you buy since you can send it easily, but the security it have right now I think is not that secure against skilled computer hackers. I hope that before that happens, bitcoin will tight up their security systems more and that thing happening will not happen years from now it will take a long time.
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Rinder
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November 24, 2016, 02:01:54 PM |
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Looks like op is scary of computers control, i do believe he had saw some films about the machines that does wanna to kill and control humans, anyway we wont swicht to crytpocurrencies from fiat, we will have always both. Bitcoin wont reach 1 million dollars value, because the most people that has bitcoin arent milionaries, are regular people, and the milionaires in the general dont use or have any interest at bitcoin. Bitcoin might reach maybe 5000 dollars on the next 100 years but above those i dont believe.
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anasis
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November 24, 2016, 04:07:40 PM |
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Seeing something like the situation OP mentioned is scary, since it will be easy for some to interfere with someone's money especially those who are very skilled in computer hacking and stuff about computer. Also it would make easier for government to rip our moneys instantly if they want too by hiring a skilled hacker. It will just ease paying something when you buy since you can send it easily, but the security it have right now I think is not that secure against skilled computer hackers. I hope that before that happens, bitcoin will tight up their security systems more and that thing happening will not happen years from now it will take a long time.
The first thing the government can do is to limit the possibilities and user rights. Very strange is if they do not go to the people to pay taxes.
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November 24, 2016, 04:16:03 PM |
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Being dependent so much on computers just scares me.
We can't go back in time anymore. Computers are part of our lives and nothing will change that. You are depending on computer more than you are even aware, everyday. In case computers would cease to exist: global war, huge EMP blast, Sun's electromagnetic waves reaching critical amount etc. do you really think that FIAT money would retain it's value? I believe both Bitcoin and FIAT of your choice would be useless in the same way then.
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Xester
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November 24, 2016, 07:25:59 PM |
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This reminds me alot of the gun argument people have. A gun cannot kill a person alone. It needs a human being behind it to load it and aim it and then shoot it. You cannot blame the gun. If they ban guns then they will just use some other weapon. Same with bitcoin. I don't really seen any dangers of bitcoin. If you talking about the black market well.... That is nothing new that has been going on for thousands of years. May the danger of bitcoin is sending to the wrong address ? >.<
You miss the whole point of that argument Guns are better than baseball bats, while baseball bats are better than bare fists. With a good gun you can reach and touch someone half a mile away (or even farther). You can do basically nothing with your fists or bat if the guy you want to do away with is properly guarded. Could Lee Oswald kill John Kennedy if he hadn't had a sniper rifle? I guess no. That's why they want to ban guns, and that's why they might want to ban Bitcoin in particular and the blockchain technology in general The most important thing that you need to be afraid of it that they can use bitcoin for criminal purposes, and is not cryptocurrency became an officially recognized currency in the world, there is a danger in the ban. I'm more worried about the lack of legal support bitcoin users. While on the other hand in the registration data need purse. So everything should be legal. Yes, this things are always running in my mind. The lack of support from government in terms of law on bitcoins criminals are really dangerous from the community. Another thing that dangerous from using cryptocurrency was since we are using technology, what if it crash? Or it has an error, that was possible too. Hacking of account and stealing was also another thing to be worry about.
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OrangeII
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November 24, 2016, 10:55:54 PM |
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I do not know, I guess cryptocurrency always bring benefits to the people who actually use it, because it can make them generate a lot of money. Well, perhaps the only thing that makes it become dangerous is, because the transaction is extremely difficult to be detected so as to make illegal transactions to be smooth
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Doamader
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November 24, 2016, 11:34:00 PM |
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We do need machines, and computers does control them, how can you make an exam to know what is wrong with your body? Cryptocurrencies are bringing the best things to the world, returning to the people the power to choose and without any middle man between the transactions.
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albertorma
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November 24, 2016, 11:41:49 PM |
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I don't think governments would accept bitcoin as main currency easily, because it's hard to control, but I think bitcoin being the main currency, would be the best for bitcoin. OFC govs would try to control everything as possible, but this would also mean bigger community, lot of new ideas, accepted everywhere, etc
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dearbesz1219
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November 25, 2016, 01:09:05 AM |
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How many time people created thread like this?
We don't care about who behind this project or who is Satoshi Nakamoto because we know that bitcoin is decentralized and you guys know how it works. Maybe you can trust in bitcoin if you know about programming stuff and find out how bitcoin works. Maybe depends on computer might scare you, but people fix and improve everything overtime and on top of that bitcoin is open source, so more people can contribute on it.
Also, i think gold still useful even if cryptocurrency become the only currency in the world.
True, I think this question has been asked before, however, it really doesn't matter who behind this things at all. For what important right now is that bitcoin or some other crypto currencies which who are legit of course helped a lot of people all around the world whether it is a future money or not.
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