First BFL ASIC!

[thebaron]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

[thebaron]

If BFL delivers at all, it probably won't do so until June. That's my new prediction.

[cpunks]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

[DPoS]

offered a refund instead.

Refund?  more like a pound of flesh!!

[kano]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

[kano]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

Tell 'something' they are spreading FUD.

People have received refunds ... sometimes fast sometimes slow.

[BR0KK]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

He spend an equal to $ amount did he? At which rate (just curious)?

[jspielberg]

I had absolutely no problems getting a refund.  Though I was only in the queue for 2 weeks.  Paid with BTC... refunded in USD via paypal.  I was completely fine with that arrangement (though 1 BTC ~= $42 at the time).

Anyway... I found them quick and courteous and the email response wasn't a canned response but a personal email.  Frankly I found the refunding process very professional (unlike the ordering process --- no email confirmation... no way of easily checking status).

I put in the refund request on a Saturday I think.  The following monday or tuesday I had been refunded.

PayPal is sending you your refund. Thank you for understanding the difference in the value of bitcoins. We look forward to doing business with you again in the future.

Kind regards,
Alicia
BF Labs, Inc.
For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/>

I negotiated with my wife to order 2 Avalon's if I got a refund from BFL... so ... the choice was pretty easy (though I am pretty much tapped out as far as BTC savings goes).

The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing.  If you feel like gambling that BFL will produce... let it ride.... if not... getting USD back is pretty darned painless.

- jeff

[hardpick]

I had absolutely no problems getting a refund.  Though I was only in the queue for 2 weeks.  Paid with BTC... refunded in USD via paypal.  I was completely fine with that arrangement (though 1 BTC ~= $42 at the time).

Anyway... I found them quick and courteous and the email response wasn't a canned response but a personal email.  Frankly I found the refunding process very professional (unlike the ordering process --- no email confirmation... no way of easily checking status).

I put in the refund request on a Saturday I think.  The following monday or tuesday I had been refunded.

PayPal is sending you your refund. Thank you for understanding the difference in the value of bitcoins. We look forward to doing business with you again in the future.

Kind regards,
Alicia
BF Labs, Inc.
For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/>

I negotiated with my wife to order 2 Avalon's if I got a refund from BFL... so ... the choice was pretty easy (though I am pretty much tapped out as far as BTC savings goes).

The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing.  If you feel like gambling that BFL will produce... let it ride.... if not... getting USD back is pretty darned painless.

- jeff

you should be able to sell your order on ebay x2 what you paid for it also "The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing"  all mining -- gold - bitcoin is risky --- can be high rewards -- and high losses

[cdog]

It says enough when all you have is ad hominem and no logical arguments.

here is a logical argument:   who took the picture that is accepted as the "hashrate" for this device?

Josh did, nobody's trying to hide or deny that.

should a BFL employee taking a pic [in KC] be considered valid evidence of a [shipped] hashrate?

I don't see why not.

[Bicknellski]

Are you people OK with being cuckoo ? 

They toss a prototype around like dough and say they deliver pizza

+1

[mezzomix]

People have received refunds ... sometimes fast sometimes slow.

Some people may have received refunds. I did not receive a refund from BFL and I did not receive a refund from bASIC. I clearly do not belong to the group of people getting refunds!

In the bASIC case, I received the promise that I will receive a refund, at least. In the BFL case there was no answer at all. In both cases I expect the money to be lost.

[DPoS]

at least with KickStarter many people get refunds when things go south..  but BFL would of been rejected by kickstarter last summer and probably still couldn't convince them now to allow one with the crap proof they have shown

[GernMiester]

I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.

If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.

Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead.

They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.

A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.

yeah sure they wont.. yeah sure...

[tbd]

If you have requested a refund for a pre-order and have not received a timely response, please consider filing a complaint with the FTC:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

I found this letter interesting.  BF Labs registration report to the State of Missouri is past due, and they will lose their ability legally to conduct business in the state if it is not filed by May 4th, 2013.  It's the second document on this page:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Filings.asp?3402461

[RoadStress]

should a BFL employee taking the pic be considered valid evidence of a hashrate?

I don't see why not. I mean, as far as hashrate is concerned I could have just as easily taken a picture of my own screen.
[/quote]

Luke may i ask what is BFL shipping right now? Also they shipped to them? How can someone ship something they own to them? Logic fail. I will go and ship myself a glass of water now.

[Beepbop]

I just shipped you a glass of water. You totally have it, but it's still in my house. I haven't actually even filled the water in the glass yet, but I shipped it to you - as of last year in fact.

[Fiyasko]

If you have requested a refund for a pre-order and have not received a timely response, please consider filing a complaint with the FTC:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

I found this letter interesting.  BF Labs registration report to the State of Missouri is past due, and they will lose their ability legally to conduct business in the state if it is not filed by May 4th, 2013.  It's the second document on this page:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Filings.asp?3402461

They cant even keep up the legal end of thier business!, Oh my fucking god!!

[BTCLuke]

If you have requested a refund for a pre-order and have not received a timely response, please consider filing a complaint with the FTC:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

I found this letter interesting.  BF Labs registration report to the State of Missouri is past due, and they will lose their ability legally to conduct business in the state if it is not filed by May 4th, 2013.  It's the second document on this page:
https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Filings.asp?3402461

BFL has been doing business in Leawood, Kansas for many months now.

...Not that I believe they aren't scamming everyone.