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April 06, 2013, 12:40:03 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
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April 06, 2013, 12:40:44 PM |
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If BFL delivers at all, it probably won't do so until June. That's my new prediction.
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April 06, 2013, 07:13:14 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success.
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DPoS
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April 06, 2013, 10:14:27 PM |
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offered a refund instead.
Refund? more like a pound of flesh!!
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April 06, 2013, 10:20:39 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success. Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead. They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it.
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April 06, 2013, 10:23:56 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success. Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead. They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it. A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund.
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April 06, 2013, 10:31:54 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success. Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead. They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it. A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund. Tell 'something' they are spreading FUD. People have received refunds ... sometimes fast sometimes slow.
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April 06, 2013, 11:39:48 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success. Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead. They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it. A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund. He spend an equal to $ amount did he? At which rate (just curious)?
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April 07, 2013, 02:30:02 AM |
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I had absolutely no problems getting a refund. Though I was only in the queue for 2 weeks. Paid with BTC... refunded in USD via paypal. I was completely fine with that arrangement (though 1 BTC ~= $42 at the time). Anyway... I found them quick and courteous and the email response wasn't a canned response but a personal email. Frankly I found the refunding process very professional (unlike the ordering process --- no email confirmation... no way of easily checking status). I put in the refund request on a Saturday I think. The following monday or tuesday I had been refunded. PayPal is sending you your refund. Thank you for understanding the difference in the value of bitcoins. We look forward to doing business with you again in the future.
Kind regards, Alicia BF Labs, Inc. For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/>
I negotiated with my wife to order 2 Avalon's if I got a refund from BFL... so ... the choice was pretty easy (though I am pretty much tapped out as far as BTC savings goes). The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing. If you feel like gambling that BFL will produce... let it ride.... if not... getting USD back is pretty darned painless. - jeff
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April 07, 2013, 02:46:35 AM |
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I had absolutely no problems getting a refund. Though I was only in the queue for 2 weeks. Paid with BTC... refunded in USD via paypal. I was completely fine with that arrangement (though 1 BTC ~= $42 at the time). Anyway... I found them quick and courteous and the email response wasn't a canned response but a personal email. Frankly I found the refunding process very professional (unlike the ordering process --- no email confirmation... no way of easily checking status). I put in the refund request on a Saturday I think. The following monday or tuesday I had been refunded. PayPal is sending you your refund. Thank you for understanding the difference in the value of bitcoins. We look forward to doing business with you again in the future.
Kind regards, Alicia BF Labs, Inc. For Jody's Customer Service Blog, and more, please visit our new BFL Forums at <https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/>
I negotiated with my wife to order 2 Avalon's if I got a refund from BFL... so ... the choice was pretty easy (though I am pretty much tapped out as far as BTC savings goes). The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing. If you feel like gambling that BFL will produce... let it ride.... if not... getting USD back is pretty darned painless. - jeff you should be able to sell your order on ebay x2 what you paid for it also "The whole deal with bitcoin is that you shouldn't invest more than you feel comfortable losing" all mining -- gold - bitcoin is risky --- can be high rewards -- and high losses
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April 07, 2013, 11:21:51 AM |
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It says enough when all you have is ad hominem and no logical arguments. here is a logical argument: who took the picture that is accepted as the "hashrate" for this device? Josh did, nobody's trying to hide or deny that. should a BFL employee taking a pic [in KC] be considered valid evidence of a [shipped] hashrate? I don't see why not. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSAVDXEoKgIOpT8Fey-6IsGjgXJANul_P1QAY2FPRJu1iDWyCMyCw&t=665&c=7awfqRXUuZcznQ)
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April 07, 2013, 11:47:29 AM |
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Are you people OK with being cuckoo ?
They toss a prototype around like dough and say they deliver pizza
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April 07, 2013, 01:12:55 PM |
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People have received refunds ... sometimes fast sometimes slow.
Some people may have received refunds. I did not receive a refund from BFL and I did not receive a refund from bASIC. I clearly do not belong to the group of people getting refunds! In the bASIC case, I received the promise that I will receive a refund, at least. In the BFL case there was no answer at all. In both cases I expect the money to be lost.
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April 07, 2013, 04:34:24 PM |
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at least with KickStarter many people get refunds when things go south.. but BFL would of been rejected by kickstarter last summer and probably still couldn't convince them now to allow one with the crap proof they have shown
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April 07, 2013, 05:18:47 PM |
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I wonder how long the board redesign and remanufacture is going to take after figuring out they need more chips per to meet hashrate guarantees.
If I were them, then from the viewpoint of ("need to meet a hash rate target by any means available") I would choose to ship extra single-chip boards. Re-designing is a burdensome process with no guarantee of timely success. Unfortunately, that's not the product people purchased and as such they should be then offered a refund instead. They can get a refund ... they can just ask for it. A friend of mine spent 2800 BTC on BFL orders. Something tells me they're not going to give him a refund. yeah sure they wont.. yeah sure...
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April 07, 2013, 06:23:54 PM |
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should a BFL employee taking the pic be considered valid evidence of a hashrate? I don't see why not. I mean, as far as hashrate is concerned I could have just as easily taken a picture of my own screen. [/quote] Luke may i ask what is BFL shipping right now? Also they shipped to them? How can someone ship something they own to them? Logic fail. I will go and ship myself a glass of water now.
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April 07, 2013, 07:30:43 PM |
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I just shipped you a glass of water. You totally have it, but it's still in my house. I haven't actually even filled the water in the glass yet, but I shipped it to you - as of last year in fact.
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April 07, 2013, 07:42:14 PM |
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They cant even keep up the legal end of thier business!, Oh my fucking god!!
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April 07, 2013, 09:27:39 PM |
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BFL has been doing business in Leawood, Kansas for many months now. ...Not that I believe they aren't scamming everyone.
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