coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet

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Last 3 trolls seem to be missing the fact that the bet deadline was at the end of April 1, not the start of it.

1)  do you really think these angry users are all trolls?

I think they're sore losers who shouldn't be betting if they can't take responsibility for making sure the bet terms satisfy them.
They should be glad it was declared a draw rather than a win for the pre-April side.

2)  IMO you helped BFL manipulate a bet, which is shameful & dishonest.

All I did was accept a device I paid for.

IMO saying you "accept a device I paid for" is extremely weak.

1) where is the device now?
2) it has been on the entire time since you bought it?
3) why didn't you take it home with you?

I'm not going to argue here.  I have important shit to attend to.  I think everyone sees that you were used as BFL's pawn to play a little game of fuck over BFL don't-bettors.

[AndyRossy]

I think they're sore losers who shouldn't be betting if they can't take responsibility

This is the same, with ppl who invested in pirate? Sore losers? Dude, they're customers, that were scammed.

[greyhawk]

I think they're sore losers who shouldn't be betting if they can't take responsibility

This is the same, with ppl who invested in pirate? Sore losers? Dude, they're customers, that were scammed.

See the thing here is, the bible says "Love thy neighbour as thyself". So luke, devout christian that he is, of course follows this tenet.

The real question is now
a) how deep is the Well of Self-Loathing within Luke that he is this abrasive and cold-hearted?
b) if we could find a way to tap into the Well of Self-Loathing, how many BFL ASICMiners could we run with that power?

[00null]

I really hope that the core devs most carefully check every piece of code that comes from Luke. We now know that we would join any scam once he get a hug in return. Say BFL want to have some code in bitcoin-qt, they only have to hug Luke and volá they will get whatever they want.
Sometimes the Bitcoin world is really really scary.
BTW, I am not blaming Luke, he is just a too naive person to understand that he actually participated in a scam.

[Monster Tent]

lol @ a bitcoin dev selling his reputation for a plane trip and a magical unicorn machine.

[Beepbop]

Wait, he claims to be a devout Christian? Perhaps his piety is also a bad act - wouldn't be the first time I've come across such a person (I claim to be one, so I am, pay no attention to my actual beliefs and actions, f*** you got my salvation.).

As for Avalon, they shipped three finished units to jgarzik, the Foundation and one of their Chinese customers. They didn't just leave a prototype on their factory desk and make one of their paid consultants make an internet post saying that they've "receieved" or "accepted" it or whatever.

This is looking bad for BFL delivery in April. Maybe even the Swedish guys will beat them to market.

[MPOE-PR]

See the thing here is, the bible says "Love thy neighbour as thyself". So luke, devout christian that he is, of course follows this tenet.

The real question is now
a) how deep is the Well of Self-Loathing within Luke that he is this abrasive and cold-hearted?
b) if we could find a way to tap into the Well of Self-Loathing, how many BFL ASICMiners could we run with that power?

Run not that many, but you'd cool a great deal.

Then again BFL already has a box of fans (which, notably, was in no way related to their actual product, which as demonstrated cools passively).

[Este Nuno]

BTW, I am not blaming Luke, he is just a too naive person to understand that he actually participated in a scam.

Judging by his attitude displayed thus far in this thread I would say there's a lot more than simple naivety going on there.

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Lukejr,

I wish you would open your eyes.  This is not a group of "angry bettors that lost coins" - this is a group of honest bettors that got scammed.

Even if you personally believe your BFL mission was altruistic, this is how you will be remembered from now on:

lol @ a bitcoin dev selling his reputation for a plane trip and a magical unicorn machine.

Judging by his attitude displayed thus far in this thread I would say there's a lot more than simple naivety going on there.

Sore losers? Dude, they're customers, that were scammed.

From community perspective, this is how they saw what went down.

I echo the group's findings.  Maybe you were played, maybe you knew all along, but your actions helped tip the scales of justice towards "bullshit"

[MPOE-PR]

Luke-jr is not a dev. He's one of the contributors. There's tons of them. The devteam is listed on the bitcoin.org site. That said, he's certainly done a great job so far parlaying his inexistent status and absent community trust into plane tickets and cheezburgers.

[Luke-Jr]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

[Minor Miner]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

How come you keep stirring the pot?   can't we let these two strings die?  I understand they have been shipping since March 31 and I understand they have only shipped one unit and I understand other people lost money and are mad, but I CANNOT "unwatch" this thread (there is some bug in the option).   It keeps popping up and now you are going to make them all start this catty fight all over again and this will keep popping up in my reply string.    Please let the dead horse be buried and stop kicking the poor beast.

[MPOE-PR]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

Except for the part where the advertised performance was 60Gh. Of which 29.4 Gh is not within 10% or 20% or 40%.

Maff. They say Bitcoins are based on it.

(This, of course, leaving aside: that a reputable site like Bitbet would never consider the "testimony" of a lying sack of shit like yourself; that "little Single" was not a product offered by BFL at any point; that you are not a customer of BFL; that no delivery took place; that no proof was in fact offered in time - no, company-released publicity photos do not count as "proof" - and that we still haven't had a good explanation for the box of fans - which apparently aren't needed at all, in spite of being "the product". Among various other things.)

[creativex]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

WOW. What gall. Glad I've long since stopped using BFGMiner and switched to CGMiner. Every time I read a Puke Jr. post I throw up a little.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

How come you keep stirring the pot?   can't we let these two strings die?  I understand they have been shipping since March 31 and I understand they have only shipped one unit and I understand other people lost money and are mad, but I CANNOT "unwatch" this thread (there is some bug in the option).   It keeps popping up and now you are going to make them all start this catty fight all over again and this will keep popping up in my reply string.    Please let the dead horse be buried and stop kicking the poor beast.

It's a tactic carried over from Josh's Bullshido days.

An excellent read: http://www.uswebpros.com/?Martial_Art_Investigation_Website_Bullshido_May_Host_Fake_Postings_1246&a=49200

Why, you may ask would a martial art website be in the business of harming other martial arts and their respective teachers? The answer is two fold. One the more salacious and the more profanity the more attention the posts get.

[greyhawk]

It's a tactic carried over from Josh's Bullshido days.

Now isn't that amazing.

Know who else was deeply entrenched in rec.martial-arts and bullshido back in the day? Oliver "usagi" Richman.

[Este Nuno]

bitbet.us had almost the same bet and it was not a "push".
http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/

Turns out bitbet.us may actually be in the wrong here! My Little Single is getting 29.4 Gh/s with a firmware update.
In their defense, the bet could be argued to require +/- 10% as delivered (eg, disqualifying firmware updates), but if this performance issue had merely been my software, they'd have defrauded people...

You are not a good person. I was very surprised to learn that you were Christian. Maybe you should do some soul searching and consider whether your actions here are congruent with your faith.

[MPOE-PR]

It's a tactic carried over from Josh's Bullshido days.

Now isn't that amazing.

Know who else was deeply entrenched in rec.martial-arts and bullshido back in the day? Oliver "usagi" Richman.

Usagi, Luke, and Inaba should start an exchange together.

Or a wallet.

Or wait, wait, I got it: a forex site. Based on "open source" code.

[greyhawk]

It's a tactic carried over from Josh's Bullshido days.

Now isn't that amazing.

Know who else was deeply entrenched in rec.martial-arts and bullshido back in the day? Oliver "usagi" Richman.

Usagi, Luke, and Inaba should start an exchange together.

Or a wallet.

Or wait, wait, I got it: a forex site. Based on "open source" code.

The more you know:

If you take the first 2 characters from "Inaba", characters 2+3 from "Usagi", and characters 3+4 from Luke, it almost spells "insane".

So, no, you shouldn't have them do things together. It would be almost insane.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Insake.