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November 30, 2016, 06:50:52 PM |
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potential repercussions
Do not like the sound of this words. So is there a chance that some major parts of equihash can be shifted to fpga/asic for speed up? There is al ways that chance with any algorithm , but i don't think he means bad by potential repercussions.
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November 30, 2016, 07:06:32 PM |
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There is al ways that chance with any algorithm , but i don't think he means bad by potential repercussions.
Well I always consider 'potential repercussions' as bad term. Given that original paper on equihash estimated gpu advantage over cpu as only 4 it will not surprise me that algo will be broken (although it sounded good on paper).
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November 30, 2016, 07:33:34 PM |
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I'm working right on it right now, so no worries. I am seeing VERY interesting things with huge potential repercussions.
Repercussions? Usually this word means bad things... Hopefully it's not too bad, i.e.: power usage goes up by X%, but we get an extra Y% sols/s
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No mining at the moment.
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toptek
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November 30, 2016, 07:38:54 PM |
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look at this way i know what the paper says but any good programmer can hack any thing and do what they want if the money is there.
IF it becomes that profitable it won't mater the big guys will convert it to fpga/asic and Abuse the hell out of it like they do BTC and LTC aka altcooins mining with fpga/asic miners, so it gonna happens either way if it becomes worth it to them. so it's doom to happen, if so.
well see just what he means i never look at it bad till it's seen. I'll stay positive till then .
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November 30, 2016, 07:41:41 PM |
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With Zcash and asic you would need to have a lot of ram and buses communicating with that ram, so asic would be hard to design and build, no near as BTC and LTC, and speed would not be so drastic better then GPU can do
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toptek
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November 30, 2016, 07:46:02 PM |
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With Zcash and asic you would need to have a lot of ram and buses communicating with that ram, so asic would be hard to design and build, no near as BTC and LTC, and speed would not be so drastic better then GPU can do
OK if you says so.!!! but if it was worth it to them they would find a way around it ... look how far we've come i don't say never any more ....but it won't. zcash at some point will drop off like others are saying So enjoy it for now, i am . cya topek
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November 30, 2016, 07:52:19 PM |
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November 30, 2016, 07:54:19 PM |
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With Zcash and asic you would need to have a lot of ram and buses communicating with that ram, so asic would be hard to design and build, no near as BTC and LTC, and speed would not be so drastic better then GPU can do
OK if you says so.!!! but if it was worth it to them they would find a way around it ... look how far we've come i don't say never any more .... cya topek This was posted in the Claymore thread http://www.ufominers.com/zcash-equinoxAlthough one user pointed out that ufominers are known scammers could this actually be the start of asics for zcash, they also apparently do asics for eth as well according to thier site this was also posted in the Claymore thread http://mintmining.com/mining-equipment
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SunStruck
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November 30, 2016, 07:59:10 PM |
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If you need something tested with my card (1070) throw me a pm
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November 30, 2016, 08:00:30 PM |
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November 30, 2016, 08:47:11 PM |
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Well...I'm already hashing 1kS with 5 cards(4xRX480+1 R9 390) heavily undervolted to save power. Power consumption (wall) is only 880W...This is with Claymore and early era of zcash mining...Until limits are reached noone knows how much this hardware can push. As I see these are MXM cards in custom PCB. It's not pure hardware dedicated ASIC. If you have $3300 consider building NV 1070 RIG. 7 Cards cost ~$3k + $300 for mbd,mem,cpu and additionally some decent PSU...total should not exceed $3500 and you can for sure hash with more than 1kS(+50% or even more) with this piece of hardware.
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November 30, 2016, 08:49:50 PM |
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With Zcash and asic you would need to have a lot of ram and buses communicating with that ram, so asic would be hard to design and build, no near as BTC and LTC, and speed would not be so drastic better then GPU can do
OK if you says so.!!! but if it was worth it to them they would find a way around it ... look how far we've come i don't say never any more .... cya topek This was posted in the Claymore thread http://www.ufominers.com/zcash-equinoxAlthough one user pointed out that ufominers are known scammers could this actually be the start of asics for zcash, they also apparently do asics for eth as well according to thier site this was also posted in the Claymore thread http://mintmining.com/mining-equipmentLikely first one scam, even if it wasn't the stats are terrible for price. Second one is just an overpriced prebuilt miner. You can build faster rig for less than half the cost. Going by http://www.openwall.com/articles/Zcash-Equihash-Analysis. ASICs could be made with decent success on current parameters, but it would be a significant task, and would risk paperweight by parameter change. Equihash uses a lot of memory, but not as hard as Ethereum, and there are ways to use less RAM, and not find all solutions, but still find solutions really fast. Parameter change would alleviate this.
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Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/chartsBTC: bc1qr2xwjwfmjn43zhrlp6pn7vwdjrjnv5z0anhjhn LTC: LXDm6sR4dkyqtEWfUbPumMnVEiUFQvxSbZ Eth: 0x44cCe2cf90C8FEE4C9e4338Ae7049913D4F6fC24
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November 30, 2016, 08:50:45 PM |
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Well...I'm already hashing 1kS with 5 cards(4xRX480+1 R9 390) heavily undervolted to save power. Power consumption (wall) is only 880W...This is with Claymore and early era of zcash mining...Until limits are reached noone knows how much this hardware can push. As I see these are MXM cards in custom PCB. It's not pure hardware dedicated ASIC. If you have $3300 consider building NV 1070 RIG. 7 Cards cost ~$3k + $300 for mbd,mem,cpu and additionally some decent PSU...total should not exceed $3500 and you can for sure hash with more than 1kS(+50% or even more) with this piece of hardware. nvidia hash at better efficiency, i can hash at 1200 sol with only 680w, but it's more expensive it should be better to go with the 1060 if the ratio with the 1070 is the same
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November 30, 2016, 10:22:15 PM |
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Well...I'm already hashing 1kS with 5 cards(4xRX480+1 R9 390) heavily undervolted to save power. Power consumption (wall) is only 880W...This is with Claymore and early era of zcash mining...Until limits are reached noone knows how much this hardware can push. As I see these are MXM cards in custom PCB. It's not pure hardware dedicated ASIC. If you have $3300 consider building NV 1070 RIG. 7 Cards cost ~$3k + $300 for mbd,mem,cpu and additionally some decent PSU...total should not exceed $3500 and you can for sure hash with more than 1kS(+50% or even more) with this piece of hardware. nvidia hash at better efficiency, i can hash at 1200 sol with only 680w, but it's more expensive it should be better to go with the 1060 if the ratio with the 1070 is the same This is just preliminary calculations Until final optimizations are done, you shouln't make conclusions
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December 01, 2016, 01:54:08 AM |
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Alright guys, I'm over the hump as far as debugging is concerned. No worries again, it's a really good news for open-source folks, and the ASIC resistance of Equihash is not compromised. The authors of the original Equihash paper may be professionally embarrassed by it, though.
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Gateless Gate Sharp, an open-source ETH/XMR miner: http://bit.ly/2rJ2x4VBTC: 1BHwDWVerUTiKxhHPf2ubqKKiBMiKQGomZ
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December 01, 2016, 02:18:28 AM |
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Yeah, some people overestimate the time and money it takes to make ASICs... FPGAs are a huge coding PITA and isn't something that can be deployed on a large scale. The also have issues with memory and limitations, just like ASICs do.
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I buy private Nvidia miners. Send information and/or inquiries to my PM box.
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December 01, 2016, 06:51:29 AM Last edit: December 01, 2016, 12:29:03 PM by Amph |
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Well...I'm already hashing 1kS with 5 cards(4xRX480+1 R9 390) heavily undervolted to save power. Power consumption (wall) is only 880W...This is with Claymore and early era of zcash mining...Until limits are reached noone knows how much this hardware can push. As I see these are MXM cards in custom PCB. It's not pure hardware dedicated ASIC. If you have $3300 consider building NV 1070 RIG. 7 Cards cost ~$3k + $300 for mbd,mem,cpu and additionally some decent PSU...total should not exceed $3500 and you can for sure hash with more than 1kS(+50% or even more) with this piece of hardware. nvidia hash at better efficiency, i can hash at 1200 sol with only 680w, but it's more expensive it should be better to go with the 1060 if the ratio with the 1070 is the same This is just preliminary calculations Until final optimizations are done, you shouln't make conclusions and nvidia is not even done yet with coding it can be improved in speed, so even better ration is expected, i doubt amd can catch up with the efficiency
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December 01, 2016, 08:22:38 AM |
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Well...I'm already hashing 1kS with 5 cards(4xRX480+1 R9 390) heavily undervolted to save power. Power consumption (wall) is only 880W...This is with Claymore and early era of zcash mining...Until limits are reached noone knows how much this hardware can push. As I see these are MXM cards in custom PCB. It's not pure hardware dedicated ASIC. If you have $3300 consider building NV 1070 RIG. 7 Cards cost ~$3k + $300 for mbd,mem,cpu and additionally some decent PSU...total should not exceed $3500 and you can for sure hash with more than 1kS(+50% or even more) with this piece of hardware. This is about 0.88W/H. It is quite efficient.
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December 01, 2016, 09:38:17 AM |
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Alright guys, I'm over the hump as far as debugging is concerned.
Would you be opposed to make it closed source (and have no fee attached)?
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toptek
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December 01, 2016, 10:32:39 AM |
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me i wouldn't care as long as i can donate as i want to and i will from time to time if it does add a fee let me pay to unlock it with a one time charge you probable would get more that way to use it , that gives you a reason to keep updating it either way I'll pay fee or free, os or cs it's only fair just don't force it, if your zawawa asking .
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