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March 06, 2018, 11:11:50 AM
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We're trying to get together some development ideas for Zclassic, please join the new telegram or discord channels if you're interested in discussing:

https://t.me/joinchat/D03fJk7HaiPxwDc4o-u_wg

https://discordapp.com/invite/RNenQfx

This was his last message(december) on this thread..

I guess the grand masters idea was the pump & dump scheme using Bitcoin Private.

connivance to fraud and scam it is. Rhett's greed.

They've clearly stated, that ZCL will be left in it's current state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinPrivate/comments/809o21/we_are_the_bitcoin_private_team_ama_at_7_pm_est/

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We are going to continue keeping our ZCL network support (nodes, explorers, etc) alive until further notice. Otherwise, we have no development plans for ZCL. It is a community coin and the community can make pull requests if they want to continue development. All existing Zclassic software will remain on the z-classic GitHub repo.


How is that relevant ? That was a week ago.. in the middle of the pump.

How is that irrelevant? This information was given before snapshot, not after. There were clear signs on ZCL melting down after the snapshot. Developers told that they will leave the coin as it is and thousands of people told they are gonna dump the coin immediately.

So many gold diggers whining here about losing money. As I stated before, if you cannot read the signs, you deserve to lose your money.

Life's not fair, you should be happy that you even have extra money to invest, or throw into waste. There are millions of people living on the streets without fresh water, food, medical care, education.. and yet you are here whining on this forum because your own stupidity made you lose money.

Don't be a prick, that reddit AMA was ONLY 2 days before the snapshot, pretty deep inside the pump.

fucking read the signs..and I didn't lose any money because I didn't invest in the fuckeing middle of the pump and warned others to stay away.
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March 06, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
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Lawsuit for what, you being stupid? Market took your money, not the developers. It's your own fault, if you didn't see the red warnings signs with huge letters saying "MASSIVE DUMP AFTER SNAPSHOT, BE READY TO SELL FAST OR LOSE YOUR MONEY". It was clear ZCL is going to crash.. I just cannot believe how stupid and greedy people can be. Never buy anything when the price is at it's peak.

You got FOMO reaction and just had to buy while the price was rocketing. Nothing new to crypto world, you just have to learn from your mistakes.

I have nothing to buy, but who are you? One of the developers or the lawyer Rhett? I guess you're connected to them or even one of them. You
Call your investors stupid? You're a real crook. And as for the lawsuit, you said correctly that the market took money and not the developers or Rhett. Yes you are not directly connected, but here you are guilty of another and I will not discuss the details with a scammer like you who laughs at deceived investors. A group lawsuit will be filed and we'll see which one of us is stupid.

I am not affiliated to ZCL or Rhett in any manner. I just find it ridiculous that people are crying here about losing money. You haven't been deceived in any way and there is nothing you can sue anybody for. Before investing always do some research on the matter you are about to invest in. If you don't know what you are investing in or don't understand the risks, it's better not to invest. If you just blindly pour money into random projects and hope you'll be a millionaire in the coming months, well you deserve to lose your money.

If you don't even care what happens to your money before the sht hits the fan, why do you cry afterwards? There were clear signs that ZCL price will drop massively after huge dumping made by people who are in it for the new coin called BTCP. If you cannot read these signs that very perfectly clear, you shouldn't invest at all, especially not into cryptos which are very volatile market. Better to keep your money in the bank and invest in some "safe" funds or stocks that you find safe.

You really don't understand? Do you know how fraud is regulated? Read the law who and how to be recognized as fraud. Playing on investor confidence is also considered a fraud and it does not exempt them from criminal liability. There are not 1 or 2 investors, there are a lot of people who are involved in this. Here is an even more important detail, as Rhett and his team (with the exception of some) behind the scenes have done some business, earning a profit before the crash. We have some proof of this. Despite the cost of time and money, we will do our best what would they answer. Also after our lawsuit, if we win, we will provide some materials to others that everyone could demand justice.

Laws are different in each country. Where I live cryptocurrencies cannot be compared to normal instruments. If I lose money, I cannot reduce it in taxation. If I gain money from cryptocurrencies it will be taxed as normal income, not investment income. Even this supports the fact, that cryptos are not real investment instruments. At least not in my country. There are some stock exchanges that provide trackers which are tied to BTC or ETH and if you buy these and earn money, then it will be investment income.

I doubt that losing money in ZCL will get Rhett or any ZCL team member convicted by any court of law in any country. You lost money purely because of your own stupidity.
Besides what comes to Rhett and ZCL team earning money, it was clearly stated that they have ZCL and will sell it to fund BTCP project. There even was ZCL donation pool where mined ZCL went directly to developers. Even I participated in the donation pool mining and was happy to get BTCP in return instead of ZCL.

The manner in which his launched cryptocoin is played/mastermind constitutes to fraud in every definition of fraud in all country where fraud is illegal. One good thing on this is the culprit is known and the details of scams are publicly available and directly coming from him. stone-hard evidences. Good luck to him. his lawyer will defend him only for the money he will pay, but that attorney knows this idiot is a lost cause. 10-15 years I think base on some that I looked at with huge penalties also to make statement to the whole crypto community.
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March 06, 2018, 11:35:53 AM
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We're trying to get together some development ideas for Zclassic, please join the new telegram or discord channels if you're interested in discussing:

https://t.me/joinchat/D03fJk7HaiPxwDc4o-u_wg

https://discordapp.com/invite/RNenQfx

This was his last message(december) on this thread..

I guess the grand masters idea was the pump & dump scheme using Bitcoin Private.

connivance to fraud and scam it is. Rhett's greed.

They've clearly stated, that ZCL will be left in it's current state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinPrivate/comments/809o21/we_are_the_bitcoin_private_team_ama_at_7_pm_est/

BitcoinPrivate 9 points 7 days ago
We are going to continue keeping our ZCL network support (nodes, explorers, etc) alive until further notice. Otherwise, we have no development plans for ZCL. It is a community coin and the community can make pull requests if they want to continue development. All existing Zclassic software will remain on the z-classic GitHub repo.


How is that relevant ? That was a week ago.. in the middle of the pump.

How is that irrelevant? This information was given before snapshot, not after. There were clear signs on ZCL melting down after the snapshot. Developers told that they will leave the coin as it is and thousands of people told they are gonna dump the coin immediately.

So many gold diggers whining here about losing money. As I stated before, if you cannot read the signs, you deserve to lose your money.

Life's not fair, you should be happy that you even have extra money to invest, or throw into waste. There are millions of people living on the streets without fresh water, food, medical care, education.. and yet you are here whining on this forum because your own stupidity made you lose money.

Don't be a prick, that reddit AMA was ONLY 2 days before the snapshot, pretty deep inside the pump.

fucking read the signs..and I didn't lose any money because I didn't invest in the fuckeing middle of the pump and warned others to stay away.
Rhett fraudulent scheme is quite clear. But cryptocurrencies are just  Ponzi schemes. And many greedy young man like Rhett want to get rich soon. 
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March 06, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
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The manner in which his launched cryptocoin is played/mastermind constitutes to fraud in every definition of fraud in all country where fraud is illegal. One good thing on this is the culprit is known and the details of scams are publicly available and directly coming from him. stone-hard evidences. Good luck to him. his lawyer will defend him only for the money he will pay, but that attorney knows this idiot is a lost cause. 10-15 years I think base on some that I looked at with huge penalties also to make statement to the whole crypto community.

I can guarantee this is not a fraud here. If someone tried to sue Rhett or ZCL team in my country with the "evidence" you are providing.. most likely the judge would laugh at their face. You being stupid doesn't make anyone guilty to a fraud. There are thousands of people happy at what they got. Some got money out of ZCL, some got money out of ZCL and BTCP on top of that. Some were stupid and bought ZCL at 100-200$ and ended up crying.

How many people have sued Satoshi or BTC community for losing money in BTC peak drop? 19k$ -> 6k$. How many people sold in panic ending up losing hundreds of thousands? Same thing here, only responsible person is you.
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March 06, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
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The manner in which his launched cryptocoin is played/mastermind constitutes to fraud in every definition of fraud in all country where fraud is illegal. One good thing on this is the culprit is known and the details of scams are publicly available and directly coming from him. stone-hard evidences. Good luck to him. his lawyer will defend him only for the money he will pay, but that attorney knows this idiot is a lost cause. 10-15 years I think base on some that I looked at with huge penalties also to make statement to the whole crypto community.

I can guarantee this is not a fraud here. If someone tried to sue Rhett or ZCL team in my country with the "evidence" you are providing.. most likely the judge would laugh at their face. You being stupid doesn't make anyone guilty to a fraud. There are thousands of people happy at what they got. Some got money out of ZCL, some got money out of ZCL and BTCP on top of that. Some were stupid and bought ZCL at 100-200$ and ended up crying.

How many people have sued Satoshi or BTC community for losing money in BTC peak drop? 19k$ -> 6k$. How many people sold in panic ending up losing hundreds of thousands? Same thing here, only responsible person is you.

Directly(him only) and/or connivance to fraud and/or thru pump and dump schemes which he knew from the start. The motives are there. Clear evidences coming from him directly publicly posted. This is really not looking good for him and his associates. We should not be blind and bend the law for some ones gain by fraudulent manner. That is bad.  
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March 06, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
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The manner in which his launched cryptocoin is played/mastermind constitutes to fraud in every definition of fraud in all country where fraud is illegal. One good thing on this is the culprit is known and the details of scams are publicly available and directly coming from him. stone-hard evidences. Good luck to him. his lawyer will defend him only for the money he will pay, but that attorney knows this idiot is a lost cause. 10-15 years I think base on some that I looked at with huge penalties also to make statement to the whole crypto community.

I can guarantee this is not a fraud here. If someone tried to sue Rhett or ZCL team in my country with the "evidence" you are providing.. most likely the judge would laugh at their face. You being stupid doesn't make anyone guilty to a fraud. There are thousands of people happy at what they got. Some got money out of ZCL, some got money out of ZCL and BTCP on top of that. Some were stupid and bought ZCL at 100-200$ and ended up crying.

How many people have sued Satoshi or BTC community for losing money in BTC peak drop? 19k$ -> 6k$. How many people sold in panic ending up losing hundreds of thousands? Same thing here, only responsible person is you.

Directly(him only) and/or connivance to fraud and/or thru pump and dump schemes which he knew from the start. The motives are there. Clear evidences coming from him directly publicly posted. This is really not looking good for him and his associates. We should not be blind and bend the law for some ones gain by fraudulent manner. That is bad.  

When you post me law text what states that cryptocurrency market crashing because of HUMAN BEINGS selling their coins was a fraud of developers, then I'll believe it was a fraud and is punishable by law. Until you can prove to me that Rhett or ZCL teams own any of these exchanges where trading happened and caused ZCL price to crash, they are clearly innocent.
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March 06, 2018, 11:58:41 AM
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The manner in which his launched cryptocoin is played/mastermind constitutes to fraud in every definition of fraud in all country where fraud is illegal. One good thing on this is the culprit is known and the details of scams are publicly available and directly coming from him. stone-hard evidences. Good luck to him. his lawyer will defend him only for the money he will pay, but that attorney knows this idiot is a lost cause. 10-15 years I think base on some that I looked at with huge penalties also to make statement to the whole crypto community.

I can guarantee this is not a fraud here. If someone tried to sue Rhett or ZCL team in my country with the "evidence" you are providing.. most likely the judge would laugh at their face. You being stupid doesn't make anyone guilty to a fraud. There are thousands of people happy at what they got. Some got money out of ZCL, some got money out of ZCL and BTCP on top of that. Some were stupid and bought ZCL at 100-200$ and ended up crying.

How many people have sued Satoshi or BTC community for losing money in BTC peak drop? 19k$ -> 6k$. How many people sold in panic ending up losing hundreds of thousands? Same thing here, only responsible person is you.

Directly(him only) and/or connivance to fraud and/or thru pump and dump schemes which he knew from the start. The motives are there. Clear evidences coming from him directly publicly posted. This is really not looking good for him and his associates. We should not be blind and bend the law for some ones gain by fraudulent manner. That is bad.  

When you post me law text what states that cryptocurrency market crashing because of HUMAN BEINGS selling their coins was a fraud of developers, then I'll believe it was a fraud and is punishable by law. Until you can prove to me that Rhett or ZCL teams own any of these exchanges where trading happened and caused ZCL price to crash, they are clearly innocent.

The manner which the fraud is committed is pretty universal in laws of every country where fraud is punishable. Being cryptocurreny is irrelevant. The "manner", that is only what the law will need to enumerate from his schemes. Let us not bend the law. You can clearly see his modus or should I say evil scheme, that is brighter than daylight. This is not the best time to be his associate.
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March 06, 2018, 12:01:49 PM
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Who didn't think this would happen?

Before fork:



After fork:

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pre-planned pump and dump of Rhett is clear now. But it is our mistake, We should never trust a greedy kid

It's so painful. I had thought Zclassic would be different not knowing It was another well thought out pump and dump scheme. Sorry to unsuspecting noobs that got burned. But after the pump comes the dump. Noobs won't learn

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March 06, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
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I wouldn't say for sure that this Rhett guy could go to jail, but it certainly is a dangerous game that he is played. If there really was a case being made against him, I wouldn't want to change positions with him regardless of all the BTCP he owns. It could very ugly for him in front of a court.

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March 06, 2018, 01:08:23 PM
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Just one before snapshot when price saw major drop and reached at around $78 I was about to take risk. It was my good being lucky I postponed the decision as my sixth sense was alarming me of something bad coming here. I let it go and now feel happy of not being greedy that time and saved me lot of money which could vanish easily.
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March 06, 2018, 01:15:01 PM
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Do you see a pattern there?

PoW: Equihash
Bitcoin Private will use the same privacy technology as ZClassic.
Total eventual supply: 21,000,000 (21 million), as per Bitcoin (Unchanged from Zclassic)
Difficulty adjustment algorithm: Digishield V3 (Unchanged from Zcash)
Difficulty adjusts each block (Unchanged from Zclassic)
Symbol: BTCP

There was no need to do a fork.

All they had to do is to rebrand it.

This was merely an excuse for a pump and dump.

Sadly for Rhett and Tai Zen who has been very active at promoting this scam, they are based in the USA.

Expect to hear from the SEC very soon.

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March 06, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
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The ZClassic team exchanged their ZCLs & now own $50M in btc... simple as that! KEEEP YOUR BITCOINS! DO NOT SELL OR EXCHANGE TO ANY OTHER CURRENCY. DO NOT GET FOOLED BY ANY1, PLEASE! Do not let banks, exchange platforms & some other huge btc holders take your profit, potencial, ideas & future opportunities. Their idea is to take control over the whole industry, manipulate the future & establish bulletproof monopolised administrational patterns of acquiring btc's. If you have an idea keep it to yourself until you are ready to make it happen & take advantage of it. TRADE IS OVER, BTC IS GOLD(few other currencies too). DO NOT LET ANY1 TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GIVE YOU PROMISES IN RETURN, PLEASE! BE WISE!!
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March 06, 2018, 01:48:36 PM
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This pump and dump was only caused by the ingenuity of people! when you see the price going straight up like that only for a collaboration wit btcprivate you know its just a speculation, if you were in from the beginning you would have been lucky but buying at the top is always the wrong thing to do, always but at the dip!

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Do you see a pattern there?

PoW: Equihash
Bitcoin Private will use the same privacy technology as ZClassic.
Total eventual supply: 21,000,000 (21 million), as per Bitcoin (Unchanged from Zclassic)
Difficulty adjustment algorithm: Digishield V3 (Unchanged from Zcash)
Difficulty adjusts each block (Unchanged from Zclassic)
Symbol: BTCP

There was no need to do a fork.

All they had to do is to rebrand it.

This was merely an excuse for a pump and dump.

Sadly for Rhett and Tai Zen who has been very active at promoting this scam, they are based in the USA.

Expect to hear from the SEC very soon.



This is the best chance for the sec and other regulating agencies to show their authority. They need to show the crypto community their grip on the matter.
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March 06, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
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If you cannot read the signs, you deserve to lose your money.
This is too hard. In this market of hypes people can't even understand the following:
"Buy low, sell high"
"Sell high. buy low"

When price was over 100 people were buying and waiting for another pump.
Wnen price was under 7, it was a perfect time for them to sell.
Old as market itself...
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Who didn't think this would happen?

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LOL  Grin
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March 06, 2018, 02:00:11 PM
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Me, personally won't give them a penny worth of btc for their fake excuses. Greedy bustards, pump your price, invest few of the milions you've stollen already and FUCK YOURSELF! I knew what's gonna happen and has never been a part of this so called project.. I am happy for those small investors, miners and traders who took something out of it but be sure it was only luck and definitelly not some kind of an insight. Do not fool urself, it's not gonna happen again. Take your money in the btc wallet and be thankful for what u got Smiley Peace.
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The ZClassic team exchanged their ZCLs & now own $50M in btc... simple as that! KEEEP YOUR BITCOINS! DO NOT SELL OR EXCHANGE TO ANY OTHER CURRENCY. DO NOT GET FOOLED BY ANY1, PLEASE! Do not let banks, exchange platforms & some other huge btc holders take your profit, potencial, ideas & future opportunities. Their idea is to take control over the whole industry, manipulate the future & establish bulletproof monopolised administrational patterns of acquiring btc's. If you have an idea keep it to yourself until you are ready to make it happen & take advantage of it. TRADE IS OVER, BTC IS GOLD(few other currencies too). DO NOT LET ANY1 TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GIVE YOU PROMISES IN RETURN, PLEASE! BE WISE!!
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March 06, 2018, 02:10:02 PM
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Just one before snapshot when price saw major drop and reached at around $78 I was about to take risk. It was my good being lucky I postponed the decision as my sixth sense was alarming me of something bad coming here. I let it go and now feel happy of not being greedy that time and saved me lot of money which could vanish easily.

You're clever.

i have a lot of ZCL since long time, bought it by 2 US$ - i see ZCL then at 180US$ and think by myself it grows up to 250 and buy at 150 for 0,6 BTC...  

Ooooh, that was very stupid of myself :-)

But in my country everybody has to know what he do, so neverever is any other guy gilty, when i pushed my money in a project, anyway if its good or bad. I'm gilty by my own, i wanna buy a new house, now my invest is not enough for a cheap single room for rent Smiley

Buddys, i think that's life, learn and did it next time better. Stop crying, Game is over... - some guys was much more clever as i am, RESPECT !
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