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January 06, 2017, 01:50:01 AM |
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As shorena said, it doesn't make economic sense to scam/spam with a purchased account because that would mean loosing the money you just spent on buying said account. Doing this would more or less be throwing money away.
Quickseller often invokes this sort of rationale "it doesn't make economic sense to do __" in discussions. What's fun is to look through his posts and see how the __ is often in contradiction to itself across time. That is, he's happy to reason at one moment that some behaviour makes economic sense and then later that it doesn't. What I'm highlighting here is that whether or not something makes economic sense is actually one of the hardest things to find agreement upon: thus the varying behaviour of people (both within and across). Quickseller might argue, it doesn't make economic sense to scam, yet we find scammers, so it's not really valid to suggest that because QS says something doesn't make economic sense means that we won't find anyone doing it. Here's the kicker, even if there was universal agreement about what does and doesn't make economic sense (which clearly there isn't), we have the problem on top of this that people are not rational. Anyone who actually studies economics knows that the idea that people are perfectly rational agents who always act in their own best interests isn't true at all. People act emotionally, irrationally, etc all the time, often against their best interests (economic or otherwise). I don't know that this will help QS (logic and argumentation isn't really his strong suit), but it might help others here to avoid taking the bait when QS offers it. The argument that 'X does/doesn't make economic sense' isn't intersting or valid if you're trying to support a proposition that people will or will not do X. The official name of this logical fallacy is non-sequitur (doesn't follow). For fun reading see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic) Cheers!
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Quickseller
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January 06, 2017, 03:44:01 AM |
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As shorena said, it doesn't make economic sense to scam/spam with a purchased account because that would mean loosing the money you just spent on buying said account. Doing this would more or less be throwing money away.
You must have changed your mind very quickly: If it becomes a common practice to give a negative rating on known sold accounts, then the value of such accounts will decline because buyers will need to factor in the risk that their newly purchased account will receive a negative rating (and along with it, lose all/most of it's value) for no real reason. This will cause two things to happen:
1) When accounts are sold, the new buyers will have a greater incentive to try to scam because they know there is a chance it will receive negative trust eventually anyway, so they have less ways to make their initial investment back.
2) Owners of accounts (the original owners) will have greater incentives to try to scam because the EV of a scam attempt verses trying to sell their account would be greater because of the low prices their account would now be worth, when compared to the potential payout of scamming.
Lol. I find it very ironic that someone who is clearly engaged in at the very least the purchase of accounts (and most likely the sale of accounts as well) is arguing against trading of accounts.
You are going to have to cite evidence if you want this statement to be credible. /facepalm
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January 06, 2017, 03:53:37 AM |
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If it becomes a common practice to give a negative rating on known sold accounts
It is exactly what happened by that time (points to KWH, Shield and all DT that have decided to neg sold/bought accounts) but you still are like it doesn't make economic sense to scam/spam with a purchased account
oh...the bait again...someone warned me, I guess. Lol. I find it very ironic that someone who is clearly engaged in at the very least the purchase of accounts (and most likely the sale of accounts as well) is arguing against trading of accounts.
You are going to have to cite evidence if you want this statement to be credible. please don't provide evidence of this
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January 06, 2017, 06:50:37 AM |
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Message archived for future reference: http://archive.is/4zbVQ#selection-1631.59-1630.1I would like to confess that Quickseller is indeed my alt, as long as Timelord2069 and Shorena.
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believe i found some connected accs, will post tomorrow.
as long as Timelord2067 and Shorena ... what exactly?
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January 06, 2017, 07:37:59 AM |
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You know...i dont like witch-hunting as well and sometimes i dont have the mental strenght to follow Timelord's investigation as he clearly is being way more anal than me (hey i have a life too...), but sometimes i wonder if your account is a bought account too because trust me: "young members" like me in this forum are having an hard time to believe you were a DT long time ago...
~Gun The quickseller UID was set up by someone with a, shall we say a Disposition specifically to give the allusion of selling accounts, some of which would then go on to scam. Together with their "patron" TomatoCage and other Alts, they would then give negative trust to these "sold" alts. Any genuinely sold Alts can also get tagged and no one would be the wiser. Over in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616969.0 I've now realised why quickseller is unconcerned why xetsr has gone missing owing hundreds of dollars, as with TomatoCage, quickseller relys on their patronage for their trust rating being at the level it is by relying on two UID's that are effectively missing in action. Should either return and their new comments trip them up, all three's trust ratings will be trashed.
I haven't had time to check the PGP key signing is that previously listed, however, I'm surprised no one investigating Alts has ever commented on this uncanny short list of PGP keys that quickseller is on. Another trick quickseller employs is for s/he and one of their alts to engage in conversation backing each-others assertions about a point... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
My QS account has not been sold. Not that this fact has anything to do with your argument.
QS Jan 5, 2017 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: oPenGP 6.0 on iOS
iQEVAwUBWG5nJlMt0pDwvrUWAQghNwf/dnocGGRvtl9t7sAprG4Sz5za/Lmas9GM Sq4PHP1p46McNw8etK9c1xsqBAjtr2LDEVPtH83XFWKWUn7auPrZtkxApAcJqiO2 6cT/+Cl3PIgTD7B1ngnxKExHXsQCUhIHYKkpcdsSnm+2hA3uP7mIw/8AsanIJMx3 OwLU3TUCYe18sNNE3hv5LDR8Qs8wc2mvwWV5X7EB+E+2C2pnhp3mAfpMowlMzOY0 xsKhcbN2QuZSrk+a/f7CYZE6G0dl4qTun7QcaMOjExkbZhRLDQqffnShaadA8gcx 0Uv7x7CEkGjLzixmi/jwnK6gdQPkZEgMLne6ZntIwo+g040DZx7QTQ== =i6KL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Can confirm, same key as ~2 years ago. If you can appreciate what I am getting at. Congrats to 'Quickseller' for achieving Legendary status! Awesome work.
Even ❝TomatoCage❞ can't tell what Alt they are posting from any more...
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January 06, 2017, 08:37:21 AM |
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Accounts Connected:Nothing else to go on, except the Skype name: Name: ctzulu u=76044 http://archive.is/txbIr Posts: 0 Activity: 0 Position: Brand new Date Registered: 24 December 2012, 22:46:02 Last Active: 25 December 2012, 01:22:05 Name: lava-trader u=476037 http://archive.is/Xlaaz Posts: 2 Activity: 2 Position: Newbie Date Registered: 12 March 2015, 20:14:09 Last Active: 12 March 2015, 22:18:10
Skype: ctzulu Bitcoin address: 1QAAdQcikmCHgUXpN4qKp5BBSHJehUXxkR Gender: Male Age: 38 Location: basel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=476037;sa=showPosts http://archive.is/B9rpfIn lava-trader's "website" is the url soldi-italia.tk a search for is inconclusive as it nets multiple users with the word soldier in their UID name. 1QAAdQcikmCHgUXpN4qKp5BBSHJehUXxkR hasn't been seen on the network.
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January 06, 2017, 08:57:17 AM |
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Message archived for future reference: http://archive.is/4zbVQ#selection-1631.59-1630.1I would like to confess that Quickseller is indeed my alt, as long as Timelord2069 and Shorena.
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believe i found some connected accs, will post tomorrow.
as long as Timelord2067 and Shorena ... what exactly? I would like to request that you remove your negative trust as it was a joke... Do people seriously get that uptight? And autocorrect changed "as well as" to as long as.
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January 06, 2017, 10:54:26 AM |
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Accounts Connected:fivejonnyfive, LeancyBTC, LeancyInvest, Bit-Gods -2: -1 / +0, johnathan32, and LeancyBTC, xperia, MMOForever, traffik, LeancyInvest, ElTrinitaProof:In this locked thread: Loan required https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1091250.0;all http://archive.is/APtfrBit-Gods -2: -1 / +0 asks for a loan and is asked to sign a message using the wallet address 179Jji311wMyKuM6fVF8BR4CyssNb8kpht that was used in a previous thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.msg6925148#msg6925148 (Locked thread) HI i guess you didnt see my post
Posts:116 179Jji311wMyKuM6fVF8BR4CyssNb8kpht
Thanks However, johnathan32 answers: http://archive.is/APtfr#selection-4705.0-4711.7Hi, I almost sure it in my laptop. I will bring it in couple hours. If not we can find another ways to prove. Thanks. then, realising their mistake adds: http://archive.is/APtfr#selection-4883.0-4883.28Thats my second account btw. then as Bit-Gods -2: -1 / +0 sinks themself further: http://archive.is/APtfr#selection-5053.0-5067.7Sorry for posting with my second account.
I will provide the signed massage with the address "ajareselde" mentioned.
For now, this account is already a senior member. prices stays.
BIN- 0.14 BTC. Thanks. Related Addresses:Wallet address 179Jji311wMyKuM6fVF8BR4CyssNb8kpht is part of Wallet [62f7d33881] https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/62f7d33881f31b64/addresses there are three addresses: 1EJK6TD4EfHFGiHm7zP4KUoJmBkoFZG9Xy 0. 233 362071 179Jji311wMyKuM6fVF8BR4CyssNb8kpht 0. 13 317698 16u89S5iCneNzz8hBsyZQsCdYRRvwzGfiN 0. 8 332465 1EJK6TD4EfHFGiHm7zP4KUoJmBkoFZG9Xy sends 127ziW1QtrefoMBoPeCf2WaZet4iyWe3Cg 0.001 BTC 2014-02-21 12:46:29 in this transaction. https://blockchain.info/tx/d23c01b653949d3e95f0c097f2f107b60e8a86ea3868a70236102ed8fe3c060dwhich is mentioned in this thread: http://archive.is/VDv4Y#selection-9069.0-9109.9Registered
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127ziW1QtrefoMBoPeCf2WaZet4iyWe3Cg
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The thread Giving away more then 0.01 for investment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=478962.0 http://archive.is/VDv4Y is a thinly veiled Ponzi run by LeancyInvest u=255301 LavaWave then sends more money to the Ponzi: http://archive.is/VDv4Y#selection-24473.0-24491.7but as we see in the tX 1Lt33qBQEqCwroW2YgonF7zRWHTYcAmvFs and 1LvCJ77BbtPUzLTjQ1EAPN42gHeLP7WKfD send to 1CF9wMh61PYAT9JVaNT9Jz2JwQ9xAgXhLC 0.1 BTC 1K5j1AYemriEriDyBePg9bQLtqwBHZJ2Er 0.02879856 BTC and 146DaifSyWj45Pa8v4hXHXNK7DDTc2azDB 0.02139612 BTC So, even if LavaWave is told to send funds to a new Wallet Address via PM, those three warrant a looking at: 1CF9wMh61PYAT9JVaNT9Jz2JwQ9xAgXhLC is part of Wallet [6d7f155769] https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/6d7f155769f3afef/addresses with just two Wallet Addresses: 1CF9wMh61PYAT9JVaNT9Jz2JwQ9xAgXhLC 0. 1 287301 1PLJc76xTQmKAcJMQwF6dnUNWJWPkTJgb5 0. 1 287301 their funds get sent to Wallet Leancy.com https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Leancy.com with just the one wallet address 145SmDToAhtfcBQhNxfeM8hnS6CBeiRukY 0.0001 6901 335165 http://archive.is/6hdi7#selection-3397.0-3427.32and one post later: http://archive.is/6hdi7#selection-3587.0-3619.76
- LeancyBTC and LeancyInvest running Ponzi's connected via Wallet Address transfer
- Bit-Gods -2: -1 / +0 runs a thinly vield Ponzi that LavaWave collects from then deposits funds into.
- Bit-Gods -2: -1 / +0 is connected to johnathan32 via a slip up in the account used to reply to a message
- and then we have fivejonnyfive echoing the words LeancyBTC has just used and mere posts earlier on the same page is reassuring punters that everything is alright. http://archive.is/6hdi7#selection-2791.0-2845.90
It looks like they must have moved coins into cold storage yesterday, presumably to secure them while their server was moving around. This all seems like good news. The more news that comes out, the better everything looks.
1K5j1AYemriEriDyBePg9bQLtqwBHZJ2Er is part of Wallet [000001e522] while 146DaifSyWj45Pa8v4hXHXNK7DDTc2azDB and 1GhFsXaHKfMErReBhc81kESYCYJt2ewRTR are both part of Wallet [77aaad0495] Miscellaneous:there are six UID's registered at BCT with the term in their name; they are: Offline LeancyBTC Member 2014-02-02 121 Offline xperia Brand new 2014-02-14 0 Offline MMOForever LEANCY Newbie 2014-02-15 5 Offline traffik Leancy Jr. Member 2014-02-19 38 Offline LeancyInvest Member 2014-02-21 80 Offline ElTrinita Bitcoin Investment - 150% Yield / 5% Daily Interest Member 2014-02-28 184 all registering in a tight 26 day period in February 2014.
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shorena
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January 06, 2017, 11:18:16 AM |
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As shorena said, it doesn't make economic sense to scam/spam with a purchased account because that would mean loosing the money you just spent on buying said account. Doing this would more or less be throwing money away.
Quickseller often invokes this sort of rationale -snip- Alright, lets get the fallacies out. This is a personal attack, which does nothing to devalue the arguement at hand. The argument "pay X for account, must scam >=X to ROI => account trades make scams less likely to be profitable" was introduced by Salty IIRC. -people are irrational-
Yes, like these ratings. "account was traded => new owner will scam/spam" is not rational. Neither is "trades account && traded accounts result in scams => account trader is scammer". We can agree that a new owner may scam or spam and try to find evidence of the likelyhood.
-snip- Another trick quickseller employs is for s/he and one of their alts to engage in conversation backing each-others assertions about a point... -snip-
Which is a useless tactic if you argue with arguments and not against or for the person.
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January 06, 2017, 11:38:28 AM |
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Message archived for future reference: http://archive.is/4zbVQ#selection-1631.59-1630.1I would like to confess that Quickseller is indeed my alt, as long as Timelord2069 and Shorena.
Thanks.
believe i found some connected accs, will post tomorrow.
as long as Timelord2067 and Shorena ... what exactly? I would like to request that you remove your negative trust as it was a joke... Do people seriously get that uptight? And autocorrect changed "as well as" to as long as. Twice in one day four minutes apart: http://archive.is/PZIY3#selection-3181.0-3213.7 Oh dear... what part of Australia are you in then? (Choose your answer very carefully)
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Lauda (OP)
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January 06, 2017, 11:41:32 AM |
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in their name; they are: Offline LeancyBTC Member 2014-02-02 121 Offline xperia Brand new 2014-02-14 0 Offline MMOForever LEANCY Newbie 2014-02-15 5 Offline traffik Leancy Jr. Member 2014-02-19 38 Offline LeancyInvest Member 2014-02-21 80 Offline ElTrinita Bitcoin Investment - 150% Yield / 5% Daily Interest Member 2014-02-28 184 all registering in a tight 26 day period in February 2014. I don't think including those as alts is the proper thing to do here. Having that link on their profile is circumstantial evidence at best, and it looks to me like those are their personal referral links. I could be wrong as I am not getting anywhere close to that website. LeancyInvest seems to fit the criteria though.
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January 06, 2017, 11:43:04 AM |
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Message archived for future reference: http://archive.is/4zbVQ#selection-1631.59-1630.1I would like to confess that Quickseller is indeed my alt, as long as Timelord2069 and Shorena.
Thanks.
believe i found some connected accs, will post tomorrow.
as long as Timelord2067 and Shorena ... what exactly? I would like to request that you remove your negative trust as it was a joke... Do people seriously get that uptight? And autocorrect changed "as well as" to as long as. Twice in one day four minutes apart: http://archive.is/PZIY3#selection-3181.0-3213.7 Oh dear... what part of Australia are you in then? (Choose your answer very carefully) I like making alts jokes. I would prefer not to reveal my exact location publically, but I will PM you.
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January 06, 2017, 12:25:59 PM Last edit: January 06, 2017, 12:37:39 PM by Timelord2067 |
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in their name; they are: Offline LeancyBTC Member 2014-02-02 121 Offline xperia Brand new 2014-02-14 0 Offline MMOForever LEANCY Newbie 2014-02-15 5 Offline traffik Leancy Jr. Member 2014-02-19 38 Offline LeancyInvest Member 2014-02-21 80 Offline ElTrinita Bitcoin Investment - 150% Yield / 5% Daily Interest Member 2014-02-28 184 all registering in a tight 26 day period in February 2014. I don't think including those as alts is the proper thing to do here. Having that link on their profile is circumstantial evidence at best, and it looks to me like those are their personal referral links. I could be wrong as I am not getting anywhere close to that website. LeancyInvest seems to fit the criteria though. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search select all five boxes and then search, nothing personal as it's there for all to read. Name: LeancyBTC Posts: 121 Activity: 70 Position: Member Date Registered: 02 February 2014, 13:11:55 Last Active: 25 December 2016, 17:59:35
Last actual active: 25 March 2014, 14:22:14 | Name: ElTrinita Posts: 184 Activity: 70 Position: Member Date Registered: 28 February 2014, 05:37:27 Last Active: 22 December 2016, 01:31:00
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registered 26 days apart, last active less then three days apart... (even though one was last actual active nearly three years ago) *edit* have I mentioned how much I hate tables? Second edit, see their last messages: LeancyBTC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=235825;sa=showPosts http://archive.is/fVqUUElTrinita https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=259550;sa=showPosts http://archive.is/FRuoC
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Fair enough. I have added the the first few accounts and will review the remaining ones once again before deciding what to do.
I think that I have correctly added all the connections that have been listed so far (besides some that may not contain enough concrete proof). Please double-check and PM me if something is missing.
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January 06, 2017, 10:15:28 PM |
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Accounts connected: ophyrim, evrentuncaProof:done as evren tunca 1MFyHKob3MQsZ8ZELoQKTsUXtaHLyty8TY thank you for the service
( Archive) same address ( Archive) Addresses1MFyHKob3MQsZ8ZELoQKTsUXtaHLyty8TY
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January 07, 2017, 10:51:07 AM |
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OK, so this was the reason you left a negative rating on my account? I posted on behalf of anyone was something you assumed? I did not post as a part of farming accounts while it's just like a signature campaign where you get paid to make forum posts so how does that make me a part of account farming? I own only one account on this forum and your rating on my account doesn't imply anything. I did not even make posts from my account and you say I made posts for quickseller? I used to post for CEG and on other forums and I never gave them the account details as they are owned by me. I was cheated/scammed by CEG as he did not pay me nor others for making posts and when he paid me, he asked me to confirm the same saying he was another owned of the account. Now if I confirm the same, have I committed a crime? I don't get what your statement implies (so it'd not a stretch to suppose quickseller has a handful of staff he passes UID's to to manufacture posts, then takes them back to sell. (having boasted they'd sold 70 UID's in 2014 alone)) I am myself against account farming and you blame me of doing so?
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