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May 01, 2017, 05:22:24 PM
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Qtum= BTC +EVM+POS

which is a good combination of current blockchain platform. and with more innovations too.

Only criticism I have is that if Qtum is too slow, ETH will probably catch up with these innovations. ETH switching to PoS in 2018. Lite version for mobile devices is nice, but ETH could do this too. Granted, I predict it would take a year or two for the dev. team to get in order.  The UXTO model is a safe difference, I assume. Qtum has an early advantage over ETH on these development... I hope they keep them and continue to push further. I also hope they can get those on the EVM atm to create mobile version to run thru Qtum (Augur, Golem, etc.).

Either way, Qtum >>>> ETC (worth over $6.00 a coin currently). I predict Qtum will take off within a few months, if not weeks, on exchanges.
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May 02, 2017, 03:06:32 AM
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Qtum= BTC +EVM+POS

which is a good combination of current blockchain platform. and with more innovations too.

Only criticism I have is that if Qtum is too slow, ETH will probably catch up with these innovations. ETH switching to PoS in 2018. Lite version for mobile devices is nice, but ETH could do this too. Granted, I predict it would take a year or two for the dev. team to get in order.  The UXTO model is a safe difference, I assume. Qtum has an early advantage over ETH on these development... I hope they keep them and continue to push further. I also hope they can get those on the EVM atm to create mobile version to run thru Qtum (Augur, Golem, etc.).

Either way, Qtum >>>> ETC (worth over $6.00 a coin currently). I predict Qtum will take off within a few months, if not weeks, on exchanges.

We realize there's a real race to get this kind of technology out, you will see in June when our Test Network launches that we can compete with these other projects.

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Qtum= BTC +EVM+POS

which is a good combination of current blockchain platform. and with more innovations too.

Only criticism I have is that if Qtum is too slow, ETH will probably catch up with these innovations. ETH switching to PoS in 2018. Lite version for mobile devices is nice, but ETH could do this too. Granted, I predict it would take a year or two for the dev. team to get in order.  The UXTO model is a safe difference, I assume. Qtum has an early advantage over ETH on these development... I hope they keep them and continue to push further. I also hope they can get those on the EVM atm to create mobile version to run thru Qtum (Augur, Golem, etc.).

Either way, Qtum >>>> ETC (worth over $6.00 a coin currently). I predict Qtum will take off within a few months, if not weeks, on exchanges.

more than this.

Qtum support segregate witness by default and very easily to support lighting network and more BIPs in the future (like Zcash protocol integration)

also not like Ethereum, all Ethereum transactions go through EVM, it's very inefficient.

in Qtum, since based on UTXO model, only contact transactions go through EVM, normal transactions will like BTC transactions.

that's a big advantage of stateless UTXO model, more secure and more scalable in the long term.

but do not hope people understand the design and meaning of Qtum, until they see price is more than 10$ in 1 year. Wink

this post will help to understand the meaning of Qtum too.

From skycoin dev: Why Qtum may become a big success
https://forum.qtum.org/topic/64/from-skycoin-dev-why-qtum-may-become-a-big-success
https://qtum.org
Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?
Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way

thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)
I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.

we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
now we just trying to figure out how to build pure computer on UXTO
Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"
Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?
I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.



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May 02, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
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Is anyone else having issues connecting to the Qtum website?
 
qtum.bizhongchou.com/

"Error establishing a database connection"

i think right now, it's working now.

just checked one of my account:


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May 03, 2017, 12:42:10 AM
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Qtum= BTC +EVM+POS

which is a good combination of current blockchain platform. and with more innovations too.

Only criticism I have is that if Qtum is too slow, ETH will probably catch up with these innovations. ETH switching to PoS in 2018. Lite version for mobile devices is nice, but ETH could do this too. Granted, I predict it would take a year or two for the dev. team to get in order.  The UXTO model is a safe difference, I assume. Qtum has an early advantage over ETH on these development... I hope they keep them and continue to push further. I also hope they can get those on the EVM atm to create mobile version to run thru Qtum (Augur, Golem, etc.).

Either way, Qtum >>>> ETC (worth over $6.00 a coin currently). I predict Qtum will take off within a few months, if not weeks, on exchanges.

more than this.

Qtum support segregate witness by default and very easily to support lighting network and more BIPs in the future (like Zcash protocol integration)

also not like Ethereum, all Ethereum transactions go through EVM, it's very inefficient.

in Qtum, since based on UTXO model, only contact transactions go through EVM, normal transactions will like BTC transactions.

that's a big advantage of stateless UTXO model, more secure and more scalable in the long term.

but do not hope people understand the design and meaning of Qtum, until they see price is more than 10$ in 1 year. Wink

this post will help to understand the meaning of Qtum too.




If you look at the benefit of being on Bitcoin Core 0.14, see the performance improvements:



https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.14.0


Notable changes

Performance Improvements

  • Validation speed and network propagation performance have been greatly improved, leading to much shorter sync and initial block download times.
  • The script signature cache has been reimplemented as a “cuckoo cache”, allowing for more signatures to be cached and faster lookups.
  • Assumed-valid blocks have been introduced which allows script validation to be skipped for ancestors of known-good blocks, without changing the security model.
  • In some cases, compact blocks are now relayed before being fully validated as per BIP152.
  • P2P networking has been refactored with a focus on concurrency and throughput. Network operations are no longer bottlenecked by validation. As a result, block fetching is several times faster than previous releases in many cases.
  • The UTXO cache now claims unused mempool memory. This speeds up initial block download as UTXO lookups are a major bottleneck there, and there is no use for the mempool at that stage.



Because the target block time will be 120 seconds with Qtum Core, we won't have all those blocks that have no transactions in them, but it will be fast enough to avoid the issue that Bitcoin is currently having. Bundle SegWit into the equation, and yes, Qtum will be very efficient.

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May 03, 2017, 06:17:49 AM
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Qtum hosted a meetup in maxico. more than 100 people attended

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Where is it possible to trade Qtum? Thank you in advance?

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May 03, 2017, 11:56:04 PM
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Qtum in Mexico!


Qtum recently presented remotely at the Mexico City Bitcoin Meetup, with over 100 people in attending:





A huge thanks to the Mexico City Bitcoin Meetup (https://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-Meetup-Ciudad-de-Mexico/) for allowing the #Qtum project to present to over 100 participants!


We gave a general overview of the project, discussed our development roadmap, and took a few questions.

We also discussed some specific use cases, where the Qtum Blockchain could be used for anti-counterfeiting and food supply chain management.


One of the participants asked: What makes this different than all of the other similar projects?

We responded:

We’re beating a lot of those projects in terms of development, many of their promises are for 2018 and we will release them in 2017. We also have more than one confirmed Decentralized Application that plans to build on Qtum, and we haven’t even released our test network, that’s more than other platforms that have been out for a while. Our network of Angel Backers open up a lot of opportunities for product partnerships and other types of functionality that we will announce shortly.








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May 04, 2017, 12:04:10 AM
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Where is it possible to trade Qtum? Thank you in advance?

Once the main network is released in September, Qtum holders may offer to trade them. The test network will be available in June, and we will send test tokens to anyone who would like to help with testing.

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based on the updates and news posted here plus the awareness campaigns in different places, i can barely say that this project has gone so far and getting some advances, it might not in the plan yet but what the cryptoworld is waiting is to see this one in the real market of crypto, the trading exchange where we can barely see what would this token may bring to us.
well, i can say goodluck and i'm still following, watching for the progress of this project.

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May 04, 2017, 02:18:12 AM
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based on the updates and news posted here plus the awareness campaigns in different places, i can barely say that this project has so gone far and getting some advances, it might not in the plan yet but what the cryptoworld is waiting is to see this one in the real market of crypto, the trading exchange where we can barely see what would this token may bring to us.
well, i can say goodluck and i'm still following, watching for the progress of this project.

Yes, thanks for the kind words, we appreciate it!

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May 04, 2017, 02:51:21 AM
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Let me guess, still no tx ids or addresses to prove ICO funds? Yall need to learn about the blockchain, it's this new tech that let's you do things like prove transactions/funds in a trustless manner. Pretty neat stuff. Check out bitcointalk.org it's a good place to introduce yourself to the concept.

I participated in their ICO. I don't have tx ids for BTC, but here's the Qtum ETH transaction page:

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa37f1c452e16188d59c8956b1b624b4ac8ccf3ab&p=1

40,001 ETH sent to address  0x556B5712C2a7CC5506fbfA785B52536fb8243765. I don't know who this belongs to or what to make of it.

i think Qtum did not public any eth address. since all their eth from different exchanges.

where you participate the ico?

You're completely right. I participated via bizhongchou.com. I wonder if 0x556B5712C2a7CC5506fbfA785B52536fb8243765 is an address owned by Qtum...

that's not a qtum address.



The devs could clear this up for us in an instant but for some reason refuse to.
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Let me guess, still no tx ids or addresses to prove ICO funds? Yall need to learn about the blockchain, it's this new tech that let's you do things like prove transactions/funds in a trustless manner. Pretty neat stuff. Check out bitcointalk.org it's a good place to introduce yourself to the concept.

I participated in their ICO. I don't have tx ids for BTC, but here's the Qtum ETH transaction page:

https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa37f1c452e16188d59c8956b1b624b4ac8ccf3ab&p=1

40,001 ETH sent to address  0x556B5712C2a7CC5506fbfA785B52536fb8243765. I don't know who this belongs to or what to make of it.

i think Qtum did not public any eth address. since all their eth from different exchanges.

where you participate the ico?

You're completely right. I participated via bizhongchou.com. I wonder if 0x556B5712C2a7CC5506fbfA785B52536fb8243765 is an address owned by Qtum...

that's not a qtum address.



The devs could clear this up for us in an instant but for some reason refuse to.

sooner or later they will. just be patient.

plus all these dramas, Qtum is still the first POS Smart contact platform and compatible with BIPs....

that's some real innovations. it's rare in crypto world.

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May 04, 2017, 05:36:45 AM
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so testnet in 50 days?

any countdown ?

do we have a GUI wallet in testnet?

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May 04, 2017, 05:51:57 AM
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I think the dev is afraid to show any TX ID`s because of the hackers, but what really puzzling is, if you raise 15 million dollars worth of bitcoin the devs have the bragging right to show off, but people need proof such as TX ID`s, even if the devs invested on their own token and they have the right to do so. still you need to show transparency with other investors.
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May 04, 2017, 06:17:24 AM
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so testnet in 50 days?

any countdown ?

do we have a GUI wallet in testnet?

thank you

The roadmap states it will be a potentially incomplete GUI for the test network, which means not all of the functionality that is included in the command line interface of the daemon may be available as options in the wallet. This doesn't mean you can't just open the console and access these features.

The Test Network will be in June, the actual date will be anywhere from the 15th-30th.

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May 04, 2017, 06:27:24 AM
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I think the dev is afraid to show any TX ID`s because of the hackers, but what really puzzling is, if you raise 15 million dollars worth of bitcoin the devs have the bragging right to show off, but people need proof such as TX ID`s, even if the devs invested on their own token and they have the right to do so. still you need to show transparency with other investors.


its really easy to publish to the world that they got 15M dollars but what is tricky is to show people the proof.  Roll Eyes
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May 04, 2017, 06:38:42 AM
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I think the dev is afraid to show any TX ID`s because of the hackers, but what really puzzling is, if you raise 15 million dollars worth of bitcoin the devs have the bragging right to show off, but people need proof such as TX ID`s, even if the devs invested on their own token and they have the right to do so. still you need to show transparency with other investors.


its really easy to publish to the world that they got 15M dollars but what is tricky is to show people the proof.  Roll Eyes
That's not our concern anymore, the fact that they raised that big amount, I can tell they are getting big investors.
I was part of their signature campaign in the past and they pay an awesome amount so by simply looking at the scenario, I conclude they are big.

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May 04, 2017, 06:47:44 AM
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I think the dev is afraid to show any TX ID`s because of the hackers, but what really puzzling is, if you raise 15 million dollars worth of bitcoin the devs have the bragging right to show off, but people need proof such as TX ID`s, even if the devs invested on their own token and they have the right to do so. still you need to show transparency with other investors.


its really easy to publish to the world that they got 15M dollars but what is tricky is to show people the proof.  Roll Eyes
That's not our concern anymore, the fact that they raised that big amount, I can tell they are getting big investors.
I was part of their signature campaign in the past and they pay an awesome amount so by simply looking at the scenario, I conclude they are big.

Maybe if everything is real, but being a smart investor we must focus in a more transparent and trustworthy Team behind it. Besides, this is not the only coin introduced this time and not in our standard criteria. So, good luck quantum fans!..  Grin
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