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April 02, 2017, 11:13:42 PM
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Is it a 100% confirmed scam now?

Frank Lefty Rosenthal Signing Out.


Bruno Signing In.

No. It was a 100% confirmed scam ago.

The Bruce Peterson of Qtum's last post:

-snip-

I know a scam when I see one, and Qtum is not a scam  Grin

Nice try digging through my old posts, that shows how desperate you are to find something, yet you got nothing!

PS: Please try to lower the level of vulgarity in your posts, I don't know what you are trying to achieve by being so vulgar!

Gleb take a look on another Patrick's project - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg18426200#msg18426200

He is one of the largest investors and supporter of Skycoin.....

I'll look into it, bud. Meanwhile, Team Qtum is in the process of deleting my posts from this thread of theirs. It's now only a matter of time before they implement Black Arrow's script where all my, among others, posts will automatically be deleted.

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Our heart is to expand the Kingdom of Crypto. And that’s what we’re doing. So thank you for being patient. We’ll also be coming out with a statement to let you know the facts of everything. So if you will be patient and not rush to judgment, we would appreciate that.

So until next time, we come back to you, we just want to say “Merry Easter.” And we're so excited because we know when an attack like this come, crypto has something so great for the year 2017. It’s gonna be amazing. And what’s gonna happen for you is gonna be amazing. Satoshi bless you. And Merry Easter.

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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?


Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.


Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.


so Bitcoin Ethereum Qtum Skycoin and Byteball.

that's the evolution of the blockchain technology.

another advantage of Qtum i think is it's based on proof of stake

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i just hope Qtum can be 50% of Ethereum.
that's like 1 800 000 BTC marketcap.

and the initial marketcap is 27000 BTC

that means the crowdsale investors will have a 66.6 times profit in 2-3 years.

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will OKCOIN list Qtum?  Cheesy


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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.

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what do you reason if qtum can replace ethereum
until now qtum project is not work and run, in promote can succes in ico selling
but in coinmarketcap, qtum not listing in there and without volume transaction

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http://www.the-blockchain.com/2017/03/24/qtum-shatters-ico-records-raising-15-6-million/


http://i.imgur.com/FwYqPOt.png


http://www.the-blockchain.com/2017/03/24/qtum-shatters-ico-records-raising-15-6-million/

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https://qtum.org/en/white-papers

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I don't understand why John Scianna is on the team?

Their PR is fundamentally broken and the kid has achieved nothing before this project.

I don't get it?

i think he do some good PR for Qtum

check the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TucgSvwTDHo

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seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.

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April 03, 2017, 09:02:27 AM
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will OKCOIN list Qtum?  Cheesy



One of our Angel Backers is the CEO of OKcoin, but there has been no discussions about them listing Qtum.

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will OKCOIN list Qtum?  Cheesy



One of our Angel Backers is the CEO of OKcoin, but there has been no discussions about them listing Qtum.

thank you for the answer.
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seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.


Drama is good it brings more popcorn, but we need proof and transparency when it comes to investment, will you be ok not knowing where are your BTC right now.

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April 03, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
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seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.


Drama is good it brings more popcorn, but we need proof and transparency when it comes to investment, will you be ok not knowing where are your BTC right now.

personally i am ok with that. but i agree with you we need more transparency on the fund and also the development work.



also check skycoin dev's post, which is very interesting:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg18426200#msg18426200

From skycoin dev

>1 Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>2  Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

the link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg18426200#msg18426200
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seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.



People don't care about technology, as long as there is money to be made people will go for the drama. Just go to Yobit exchange and see how shitcoins pump almost everyday from no where
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I am all in on qtum  devs or team members can you plz share the BTC add on which you have collected or store all the fund .....
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Qtum is going to replace the NASDAQ.

Qtum is going to replace microwave ovens.

Qtum is going to replace masturbation.

Qtum is going to replace bass fishing a bass guitars.

Qtum is going to replace this forum with QtumTalk.

Qtum is so universal it's going to replace Qtum.

I can't wait till September to watch all them phantom Qtum tokens trade to da moon on them Chinese exchanges that Qtum controls.
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I concede that 29,021,500 YouTube viewers figured out how they're gonna cash out their Qtum tokens come September -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IQUrR2qkj4.

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I am all in on qtum page devs or team members can you plz share the BTC add on which you have collected or store all the fund .....

No they refuse to even respond to requests for the basic transparency they promised before the ICO. They refuse to prove they hold the funds they claim to have raised. At this point you are better off talking to a wall.
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I am all in on qtum page devs or team members can you plz share the BTC add on which you have collected or store all the fund .....

No they refuse to even respond to requests for the basic transparency they promised before the ICO. They refuse to prove they hold the funds they claim to have raised. At this point you are better off talking to a wall.

My guess is that stormia knows exactly what to pen so to elicit an in-kind response from me.  Wink


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I am all in on qtum page devs or team members can you plz share the BTC add on which you have collected or store all the fund .....
The fund is in a black box! It's safe, if you believe in the team.
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