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April 06, 2017, 07:33:56 AM
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So when can we trade these tokens? I would like to buy some but will probably wait for the price to go below IPO price..

The main network launches in September, which will allow people to withdraw their tokens from the exchanges.



What is the ICO price ?
Thanks for response.

The Crowdsale sold out in 5 days, meaning there was the early bird price (first 2 days) which was 1BTC=3800 Qtum, the majority of tokens were sold in these days.

The second tier pricing was 1BTC=3600 Qtum


so now what? what is the plans? specially what about exchange and trading? if ICO already sold out before the time. than when will the token will be listed on exchanges and which exchanges will list Qtum tokens?

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April 06, 2017, 09:02:37 AM
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So when can we trade these tokens? I would like to buy some but will probably wait for the price to go below IPO price..

The main network launches in September, which will allow people to withdraw their tokens from the exchanges.



What is the ICO price ?
Thanks for response.

The Crowdsale sold out in 5 days, meaning there was the early bird price (first 2 days) which was 1BTC=3800 Qtum, the majority of tokens were sold in these days.

The second tier pricing was 1BTC=3600 Qtum


so now what? what is the plans? specially what about exchange and trading? if ICO already sold out before the time. than when will the token will be listed on exchanges and which exchanges will list Qtum tokens?

Right now the plan is to develop as per the roadmap:









The main network should be finished in September, allowing participants to withdraw Tokens from the exchanges:








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I am all in on qtum page devs or team members can you plz share the BTC add on which you have collected or store all the fund .....
The fund is in a black box! It's safe, if you believe in the team.

Yes, believe in the team that said prior to the ICO that they would be transparent, then went silent after the ICO. Remember BFL needing to do pre-sales so that they could build their line of miners because they didn't have the money themselves? Well, guess what? They had $25M+ in their coffer when they were crying that they were broke thanks to ... wait for it ... info provided via the blockchain.

Here's why Qtum won't release any blockchain vitals: Because they're yellow!
Hope my fund is in black box not in BLACK HOLE Grin Grin Grin Grin



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April 06, 2017, 03:45:47 PM
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While Qtum continues to use the word "should" as in "the main network should be finished in September", they continue to delete posts from this thread depicting proof that they're a scam, and continue to ignore all questions by users as to where is the blockchain proof depicting $15M+ was indeed garnered during their ICO.

It's like Qtum doesn't know what a blockchain is, for they sure as hell don't know what transparency is in spite of rolling it off their yellow lips mega times prior to, and during their ICO - after the ICO, it was fuck you and the horse you came in on, for they got theirs and even forgot to same thanks for the fish to the community. Yes, in all those news articles that Qtum posted on this thread, nary a one includes a thank you, but each and every post that's a news article is in reality saying FUCK YOU!
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April 06, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market
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April 06, 2017, 08:06:55 PM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

What matters right now is developing the roadmap and making documentation that will allow developers to create on top of the Qtum platform. There are a lot of blockchains that are competing in this space, and one of our strengths is the fact that Qtum comes from the UTXO family. This means literally all of the developers that worked on Bitcoin-like platforms, like litecoin, etc will not be starting from scratch. By adding the Ethereum Virtual Machine on top of Bitcoin Core, and then allowing Smart Contracts to be controlled on mobile devices, with a proof-of-stake consensus model, that changes a lot.

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April 07, 2017, 03:54:55 AM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

What matters right now is developing the roadmap and making documentation that will allow developers to create on top of the Qtum platform. There are a lot of blockchains that are competing in this space, and one of our strengths is the fact that Qtum comes from the UTXO family. This means literally all of the developers that worked on Bitcoin-like platforms, like litecoin, etc will not be starting from scratch. By adding the Ethereum Virtual Machine on top of Bitcoin Core, and then allowing Smart Contracts to be controlled on mobile devices, with a proof-of-stake consensus model, that changes a lot.

What really matters right now is Qtum providing blockchain txIDs, then we'll add masala to the expressed recipe, garnishing the dish with Hungarian parsley root.
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April 07, 2017, 04:16:23 AM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

It'll be a big part of it's success for sure but I would like to see Qtum be more accepted globally as well.  There's definitely a lot of potential.  I think it's a great idea now they need to really execute well on it and beat competitors to market.  They raised a lot of money and sure they can be comfortable now but if they really grow Qtum they can be truly insanely wealthy.  This has a lot of potential, I mean theoretically the tokens could be worth MORE than ETH if they really got people to move the apps they were building for Ethereum over to Qtum to take advantage of the SPV/mobile capabilities.  Of course there are competitors working on making Ethereum more portable but so far they all seem to have some big flaws.

I'm actually regretting not investing more during this ICO, but I invested around what the average was which should be good enough for now until they actually build a working platform.  I think this is actually a much bigger ICO even though it sold more slowly than Cosmos because while Cosmos is very innovative and has a very impressive team behind it as well it's also much more prone to competitors-there's no reason why multiple people can't just straight clone Cosmos and provide a cheaper bridge between the blockchains by offering cheaper alternatives to atoms.  And I could see a lot of big blockchains being resistant to being linked to competing blockchains, since every blockchain is fighting at this point to become "the one".

Can't wait to see what the Qtum team builds.
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April 07, 2017, 04:46:59 AM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

It'll be a big part of it's success for sure but I would like to see Qtum be more accepted globally as well.  There's definitely a lot of potential.  I think it's a great idea now they need to really execute well on it and beat competitors to market.  They raised a lot of money and sure they can be comfortable now but if they really grow Qtum they can be truly insanely wealthy.  This has a lot of potential, I mean theoretically the tokens could be worth MORE than ETH if they really got people to move the apps they were building for Ethereum over to Qtum to take advantage of the SPV/mobile capabilities.  Of course there are competitors working on making Ethereum more portable but so far they all seem to have some big flaws.

I'm actually regretting not investing more during this ICO, but I invested around what the average was which should be good enough for now until they actually build a working platform.  I think this is actually a much bigger ICO even though it sold more slowly than Cosmos because while Cosmos is very innovative and has a very impressive team behind it as well it's also much more prone to competitors-there's no reason why multiple people can't just straight clone Cosmos and provide a cheaper bridge between the blockchains by offering cheaper alternatives to atoms.  And I could see a lot of big blockchains being resistant to being linked to competing blockchains, since every blockchain is fighting at this point to become "the one".

Can't wait to see what the Qtum team builds.


The team apparently isn't able to keep track of and verify their ICO funds and you are this confident in them? Why? It looks like they are either lying about how much money they got in the ICO or one/some of the exchanges they were working with to host the ICO aren't handing them over because so far they aren't capable of producing proof of the funds. Any moron can do it, but not these geniuses.
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April 07, 2017, 04:56:52 AM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

It'll be a big part of it's success for sure but I would like to see Qtum be more accepted globally as well.  There's definitely a lot of potential.  I think it's a great idea now they need to really execute well on it and beat competitors to market.  They raised a lot of money and sure they can be comfortable now but if they really grow Qtum they can be truly insanely wealthy.  This has a lot of potential, I mean theoretically the tokens could be worth MORE than ETH if they really got people to move the apps they were building for Ethereum over to Qtum to take advantage of the SPV/mobile capabilities.  Of course there are competitors working on making Ethereum more portable but so far they all seem to have some big flaws.

I'm actually regretting not investing more during this ICO, but I invested around what the average was which should be good enough for now until they actually build a working platform.  I think this is actually a much bigger ICO even though it sold more slowly than Cosmos because while Cosmos is very innovative and has a very impressive team behind it as well it's also much more prone to competitors-there's no reason why multiple people can't just straight clone Cosmos and provide a cheaper bridge between the blockchains by offering cheaper alternatives to atoms.  And I could see a lot of big blockchains being resistant to being linked to competing blockchains, since every blockchain is fighting at this point to become "the one".

Can't wait to see what the Qtum team builds.


The team apparently isn't able to keep track of and verify their ICO funds and you are this confident in them? Why?

Because the dude has no fuckin idea what he supposedly invested in. Qtum talked blue in their face about it being a nonprofit and NOT AN INVESTMENT VEHICLE, yet this dude espouses how rich he and them are gonna be thanks to his investment. Qtum could put dog shit on a plate and place it it front of him and tell him that it's a New York steak and this fucker would eat it up, later bragging to all his friends how delicious it was. At this rate Alex Suvo of Black Arrow could make a comeback and sell his new snake oil to a whole new breed of investors, raking in millions more, then disappear sans delivering once again.

Meanwhile, Patrick Dai is laughin' his motherfuckin ass off with his windfall that's nowhere on the blockchain. THIS IS SOME CRAZY SHIT!
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April 07, 2017, 06:56:24 AM
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qtum will mainly depend on china market

I don`t think it matters Cheesy

It'll be a big part of it's success for sure but I would like to see Qtum be more accepted globally as well.  There's definitely a lot of potential.  I think it's a great idea now they need to really execute well on it and beat competitors to market.  They raised a lot of money and sure they can be comfortable now but if they really grow Qtum they can be truly insanely wealthy.  This has a lot of potential, I mean theoretically the tokens could be worth MORE than ETH if they really got people to move the apps they were building for Ethereum over to Qtum to take advantage of the SPV/mobile capabilities.  Of course there are competitors working on making Ethereum more portable but so far they all seem to have some big flaws.

I'm actually regretting not investing more during this ICO, but I invested around what the average was which should be good enough for now until they actually build a working platform.  I think this is actually a much bigger ICO even though it sold more slowly than Cosmos because while Cosmos is very innovative and has a very impressive team behind it as well it's also much more prone to competitors-there's no reason why multiple people can't just straight clone Cosmos and provide a cheaper bridge between the blockchains by offering cheaper alternatives to atoms.  And I could see a lot of big blockchains being resistant to being linked to competing blockchains, since every blockchain is fighting at this point to become "the one".

Can't wait to see what the Qtum team builds.


The team apparently isn't able to keep track of and verify their ICO funds and you are this confident in them? Why?

Because the dude has no fuckin idea what he supposedly invested in. Qtum talked blue in their face about it being a nonprofit and NOT AN INVESTMENT VEHICLE, yet this dude espouses how rich he and them are gonna be thanks to his investment. Qtum could put dog shit on a plate and place it it front of him and tell him that it's a New York steak and this fucker would eat it up, later bragging to all his friends how delicious it was. At this rate Alex Suvo of Black Arrow could make a comeback and sell his new snake oil to a whole new breed of investors, raking in millions more, then disappear sans delivering once again.

Meanwhile, Patrick Dai is laughin' his motherfuckin ass off with his windfall that's nowhere on the blockchain. THIS IS SOME CRAZY SHIT!

The QTUM Crowdsale Is Officially Over

03-21-2017
The QTUM crowdsale is officially over after 117 hours since it kicked off. The Qtum Foundation would like to thank everyone for the support. This crowdsale would not be successful without you. We understand you put the trust in the Qtum team by participating in the crowdsale, and it will only encourage the team to work even harder to launch the Qtum mainnet as soon as possible. We will make sure that all the BTC and ETH raised in the crowdsale will only be spent on moving the Qtum project forward. The Foundation will put in place internal controls to ensure all expenditures are approved, supported, and external monitoring practices will also be implemented. The next four years will be a tough journey for the team, and we are committed to building Qtum as a global blockchain platform. This is just the beginning.

https://qtum.org/en/blog/the-qtum-crowdsale-is-officially-over

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https://forum.qtum.org/

Seems Qtum Forum Online now
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April 07, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
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WOOOOOO!!!!!!!

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I see a lot of numbers in there and some signature too but where is the BTC being held, soo many investors can anyone from them confirm their investment in qtum and provide a TX.

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April 07, 2017, 02:50:45 PM
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I see a lot of numbers in there and some signature too but where is the BTC being held, soo many investors can anyone from them confirm their investment in qtum and provide a TX.
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April 07, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TucgSvwTDHo

Qtum Mobile Wallet & iMessage Demo





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TucgSvwTDHo






will this support Android version too?

or only IOS version?

thank you



where is dev?

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I still don't understand how this project received 10mil dollars. lol



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April 07, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?


Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.


Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.


so Bitcoin Ethereum Qtum Skycoin and Byteball.

that's the evolution of the blockchain technology.

another advantage of Qtum i think is it's based on proof of stake


Both bitcoin and Ethereum are still POW based.

Skycoin and Byteball and Qtum are very interesting.

one more project, i think it's elastic.

i think skycoin dev missed one point, Qtum is POS based.

Also that's the speech Patrick made on Ethereum DEV Conference in Paris.



http://edcon.io/download.html

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do you have the plan to release a proof of work version Qtum?

since Ethereum will switch to POS by the end of 2017.

then people with a lot of GPU card need to find some new coins to mine

so it will be great if Qtum release a POW version same time ?

how do you guys think ?

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no one answer this Question?

dev?

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April 07, 2017, 02:53:28 PM
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I still don't understand how this project received 10mil dollars. lol

that's the reason Wink


>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.
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