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September 27, 2017, 04:54:18 AM
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Greediness is one of the most evil side of one person. You can hurt others without knowing when you let evil comes inside you. It attrcts you to do wrong things. You can control it by expecting less and appreciating small thing. Same as in gambling. When you expect less winnings, you can control the amount that you will risk. For example when you won a $500 you will stop. Even if you think that it is just a small amount try to appreciate it and you will be happy.
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September 27, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
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Greediness is one of the most evil side of one person. You can hurt others without knowing when you let evil comes inside you. It attrcts you to do wrong things. You can control it by expecting less and appreciating small thing. Same as in gambling. When you expect less winnings, you can control the amount that you will risk. For example when you won a $500 you will stop. Even if you think that it is just a small amount try to appreciate it and you will be happy.
So this human nature and psychological disturbance turns to a religious thing now? I don't know how far you've gone in this spiritual thing but, this is just a normal thing for a person to experience this kind of stuff. So don't just make accusation of like 'evil' and all. To tell you the truth this is just pretty much normal, every person undergoes to the situation that they will reach the point that they will be greedy at some point.

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September 27, 2017, 10:36:18 PM
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Controlling your greed is very difficult for some people  because they might suffer mental illness that causes them to engage in risky behaviour without thinking other than stoping there is no way to prevent greed and less you easy stop gambling are you seek professional help

It's difficult if you don't have plans of controlling it. In what I can see, most of the expert in gambling are good in controlling greed but they can't deny that they went through hardships of controlling their emotion, their greediness and all the things that they will make them in rage as they gamble. Time will tell on how to control greed and when that time comes for sure you can now control your greediness.
even when you have a plan already sometimes that greedy could come up naturally.

as it is the human nature , you can not really release it from your habit and yes it is just the matter of time only. sooner or later even you have successfully deal with your greedy and passed it all , sometimes you will have to face that greedy and regret it later.

I can't disagree with that thing. Greed is a natural attitude of a person and even how good you are in saying that you are an expert of controlling greed, there will be the times that you'll tempted to become a greedy person. Time will tell and experience will be an important factor on how you will be able to overcome greed. Once you experience something that's beyond your expectation that resulted very bad with your greediness, maybe you can control it and do something with it.

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September 28, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
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How to control greed on gambling OP asks. By not gambling? Lost 3 BTC once in bustabit even with what I thought it was a "infallible" strategy and never gambled again. If you want to gamble then It is better to gamble your money on the altcoin market.
If you decide to leave gambling for good then that is fine, but we do not have to be like that, one way to leave your greed behind could be to play some friendly gambling games with your family in which the most important thing is not to earn money but to  relax and have a good time, with time you will get used to this and you will have the same attitude in a casino.
It may work for some but not for others. If a person is looking after money only, then it really does not matter who his opponent is, the intentions will remain the same. It could be that he might enjoy the game more but he would still want to win and earn some profits.
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September 28, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
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even when you have a plan already sometimes that greedy could come up naturally.

as it is the human nature , you can not really release it from your habit and yes it is just the matter of time only. sooner or later even you have successfully deal with your greedy and passed it all , sometimes you will have to face that greedy and regret it later.

I agree with this one. Even if someone has already set limits of until when he will gamble, there will be times when he will be tempted to continue because of the greediness and it is human nature. The purpose of gambling should be for fun only because if someone has the intention to gamble for money, he will always be tempted to earn more because of that purpose and greediness cannot be controlled. Maybe for sometime, he will be able to control it but then eventually he will just give up and continue to gamble because of the possibility of earning more.
that time when you think struggle to get out of your gambling habit as you have done everything , and yet the efforts did not lead you to control gambling and just make things even worse than before you should consider to looking for a serious help from a professional.

i just think the percentage people completely successful control over their greedy in gambling are so low , more to always failed.

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September 28, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
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That's not true, there is no such thing as controlling greed. Say you bet 100 times and you win all 100 but then you lose the 101, you would tell yourself that you were greedy and you should have stopped however that's not always the case, in fact you can very easily just lose in your first bet or bets, what would you tell yourself then? I should have not played? You never know when you are going to lose or win, you could stop at your 100 bet not knowing that the next 50 bets were also going to be wins.
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September 28, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
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Controlling greed on gambling will be a big work for someone who is addicted in gambling. Its in human nature that we sometimes get greed specially when it comes to money. That's is the reason why there are plenty of people get broke in gambling because greed is always there. The only way to control it is to stop gambling.

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September 28, 2017, 04:09:41 PM
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even when you have a plan already sometimes that greedy could come up naturally.

as it is the human nature , you can not really release it from your habit and yes it is just the matter of time only. sooner or later even you have successfully deal with your greedy and passed it all , sometimes you will have to face that greedy and regret it later.

I agree with this one. Even if someone has already set limits of until when he will gamble, there will be times when he will be tempted to continue because of the greediness and it is human nature. The purpose of gambling should be for fun only because if someone has the intention to gamble for money, he will always be tempted to earn more because of that purpose and greediness cannot be controlled. Maybe for sometime, he will be able to control it but then eventually he will just give up and continue to gamble because of the possibility of earning more.
that time when you think struggle to get out of your gambling habit as you have done everything , and yet the efforts did not lead you to control gambling and just make things even worse than before you should consider to looking for a serious help from a professional.

i just think the percentage people completely successful control over their greedy in gambling are so low , more to always failed.
Most of them do definitely failed on controlling their-selves specially when the addiction is already severe which you cant really control no matter how hard you think that you should stop.Our minds is the most powerful thing which can really make us stop even some say that having a strong mind will already made you stop but this is really a case to case basis on a certain person since not all people do have the same control.

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September 28, 2017, 06:04:11 PM
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Most of them do definitely failed on controlling their-selves specially when the addiction is already severe which you cant really control no matter how hard you think that you should stop.Our minds is the most powerful thing which can really make us stop even some say that having a strong mind will already made you stop but this is really a case to case basis on a certain person since not all people do have the same control.

Alot of people fail to control themselves when they gamble and I dont think that there is anything weird with that. Alot of people fail including me but once in a while we will then remember that we are not going to spend alot of money then we will stop. When we lose alot of money , that is when we are going to realize that we need to control greed
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September 28, 2017, 06:27:36 PM
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Controlling greed on gambling will be a big work for someone who is addicted in gambling. Its in human nature that we sometimes get greed specially when it comes to money. That's is the reason why there are plenty of people get broke in gambling because greed is always there. The only way to control it is to stop gambling.
The fact is that if we talk about greed, this applies most likely to those cases when a person receives a win and continues to play Hope to win even more. But if it loses, then greed ruined it. But mostly to gambling, greed has nothing to do, because gambling is basically like a drug addiction.

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September 28, 2017, 07:09:25 PM
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Controlling greed on gambling will be a big work for someone who is addicted in gambling. Its in human nature that we sometimes get greed specially when it comes to money. That's is the reason why there are plenty of people get broke in gambling because greed is always there. The only way to control it is to stop gambling.
The fact is that if we talk about greed, this applies most likely to those cases when a person receives a win and continues to play Hope to win even more. But if it loses, then greed ruined it. But mostly to gambling, greed has nothing to do, because gambling is basically like a drug addiction.

I never call it greed because it is included in taking frontal opportunities in one period, because the dominant one is luck so many people end up taking the opportunity. Greed is necessary because of course we always think of revenge in case of defeat.
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September 28, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
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When you’re gambling or playing you should not be greedy, those are the words that my friends who gambles always reminds me. I have an idea why and how people gets easily hooked up in a game because they want to earn more. A person can easily be affected by greed if that person keeps gaining
all he wants specially when winning and instead of stopping his mind is already stuck to keep on betting because its “his day today” and he will not loose. But then because greed came in he looses everything. For me that is the definition of being greedy is, and the lesson to stop when you still have your hands on your winnings.
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October 01, 2017, 11:30:07 AM
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If you are feeling greedy, the right thing to do is not to gamble at all. This kind of game is designed to make greedy people lose money. People who play for fun, on the other hand, have less chances of losing a lot of money, since they do not feel pressured to play over and over again.

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October 01, 2017, 03:41:58 PM
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You really have to be careful to control your greed. Gambling addiction can spiral out of control very quickly and you have to be able to recognise the signs before you end up in a hole you can get out from. Set limits gamble only what you can afford to lose, nobody likes to lose money but from the moment you gamble it consider it lost already. Any winnings are a bonus.

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October 01, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
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If you are feeling greedy, the right thing to do is not to gamble at all. This kind of game is designed to make greedy people lose money. People who play for fun, on the other hand, have less chances of losing a lot of money, since they do not feel pressured to play over and over again.
I think if we want to control our greed on gambling we should swear first to do not achieve our limits in any kind of cases. We must sets some rules and follow it. I think there is not obligation to quit gambling at all, also because it's not easy. So greed can be avoided by using mind and heart, and think about the results.

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October 01, 2017, 05:03:48 PM
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For me it is simple. There is no control when it is about gambling. There is no control when it's about will you play or no, or for greed, when you win something and you want more. And there are many people that don't play to win money, they play because of addiction.

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October 01, 2017, 05:18:19 PM
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For me it is simple. There is no control when it is about gambling.

You are wrong, there's control in gambling. Only the gambler is the one that can do that control and if you are thinking that you can't do it, then expect what will be the output of that way of thinking. And for sure that will be a negative result because you don't have plans of controlling and instead of looking some better ways you are judging yourself that you can't do it or there's no way for you to control greed.

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October 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
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If you are feeling greedy, the right thing to do is not to gamble at all. This kind of game is designed to make greedy people lose money. People who play for fun, on the other hand, have less chances of losing a lot of money, since they do not feel pressured to play over and over again.
I think if we want to control our greed on gambling we should swear first to do not achieve our limits in any kind of cases. We must sets some rules and follow it. I think there is not obligation to quit gambling at all, also because it's not easy. So greed can be avoided by using mind and heart, and think about the results.

Although it is great in theory it rarely works in practice. The reason for this is because when you gamble, and you win, and then you lose, it's like you are high on crack. Your reward system in the brain is all over the place and you can't really think rationally, this is why it's so damn simple to get stuck in a gambling addiction. That's why it rarely works giving yourself promises or swearing things prior to gambling.

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October 01, 2017, 07:33:38 PM
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This is the kind of thing I real like you are raised with, if your raised to be a greedy person I feel like no matter what your always gonna push it a little when it comes to things in life and gambling probably is not any different. There are some methods I use that help, simply set aside a certain amount of money to gamble with and make the others inaccessible for the night. Also, its important to have session goals when you sit down to play anything at a btc casino, from blackjack to poker to slots. If you hit your goal for the session, the red lights should be going off. You get burned enough times not cashing out when you need to that your greed takes a backseat to better decisions.
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October 02, 2017, 04:23:40 PM
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For me it is simple. There is no control when it is about gambling. There is no control when it's about will you play or no, or for greed, when you win something and you want more. And there are many people that don't play to win money, they play because of addiction.
You are absolutely wrong, me as a gambler who are addicted and can't quit gambling since 2011, I assure you that with experience you can arrive at a stage where you can control your greed, but this level cost me you much money and much time.

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