Review of Panda Miner coming up.

[philipma1957]

I think I will order one to the UK to have a play about with it.
Won't be till mid January but I will keep you posted on delivery times ect.

Please let us know how long it takes for delivery.

To anyone that gets one please post info here.

To any one that knows how to make language changes from Chinese to  English please show.

So far I can not enter bios.

There is at least  1 script  that gets you past the sign in on windows 10 and opens to the normal window .

You can upgrade claymore from 9.1 to claymore 9.2 or 9.3. By. Using another pc to build the 9.3. Load to a USB stick and plug into this unit..

For the community we need to be able to. Change languages .


  Maybe load a different windows 10.  I will try to do this on a new ssd keeping old ssd safely on the side.

[UGMZ]

Might be something they would consider sorting out make it easier to get full EN language.
Or release versions with it pre-set to EN might be a worth while exercise for them.

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

Might be something they would consider sorting out make it easier to get full EN language.
Or release versions with it pre-set to EN might be a worth while exercise for them.

They could probably just do a little config script app that would start the first time automatically @ the start of the windows, that would allow you to change language, enter the few needed wallet & workers names to autoconfigure the different miners and such and be available as an icon on the desktop to be redone when you need to change up things.

[citronick]

I think I will order one to the UK to have a play about with it.
Won't be till mid January but I will keep you posted on delivery times ect.

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So far I can not enter bios.
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Phil - any indication that mobo detects boot image on usb stick - or does it goes straight to windows?

maybe get CDROM via USB to see if it detects external boot up device, or better still that linux image I mentioned in PM?

Thanks

[UGMZ]

Oh. Yea.. Linux FTW.. Can't beat a bit of command line! 

[fullzero]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

[philipma1957]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

I don't mine nvidia cards but if you are correct

you need to spend 399 per card 5 x 400 = 2000 + 300 is 2300

   so the 1070 gets 375h?   if so it would be better.  but I dont use them.  do you have a rig of nvidia 1070 mining   if so please place a screen shot showing 5 cards getting around 1800-1900 h  and please show the 850 watts at the wall.

[UGMZ]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

I don't mine nvidia cards but if you are correct

you need to spend 399 per card 5 x 400 = 2000 + 300 is 2300

   so the 1070 gets 375h?   if so it would be better.  but I dont use them.  do you have a rig of nvidia 1070 mining   if so please place a screen shot showing 5 cards getting around 1800-1900 h  and please show the 850 watts at the wall.

Not to mention you need to have some way to mount them all which cost's money where as this comes in one unit plug and play. Buying cards and setting them up requires additional work and investment.

[miropp]

can you post screen copy from CPU-Z and GPU-Z?

[citronick]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

just curious... which CUDA ZEC miner are you using that can produce 1900 sols from 5 x 1070s?

[Longsnowsm]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

To me I tend to agree with your thoughts on the ability to reuse, upgrade, sell, and get support for components of my gpu rigs so the "disposable nature of the Pandaminer is not appealing to me.  

I am pretty sure I can get at least one upgrade cycle done during the time frame that the Pandaminer will be in service.  So during the life of the miner I will have been able to recoup some of my costs in GPU's for the next gpu upgrade and at the end of it I will still be able to sell the existing GPU's for their residual value to put into the wider ranging upgrades that will be needed due to age, wear, tear, and newer technology.  So I think in the end the self built rigs with better warranties make more sense.

However there are some caveats.  If you are not experienced building rigs, don't want to build rigs, don't have the time, energy, or want to put in the effort to source, build, and yes FIGHT with the stinking things on a routine basis then the Pandaminer fits the bill.  

You buy "something", it just works, and when you are done there will still be some residual value left in it.  The Pandaminer could greatly simplify GPU mining for those that don't want to mess with it.  Set it and forget it.  This product makes sense for that market.

The Pandaminer doesn't appeal to me because I think the numbers stack in favor of the custom built rigs with better warranties.  YMMV

I am finding this thread interesting.  I guess I am hoping there is some sort of silver lining here and my concerns  are addressed regarding the lifecycle management to make this make more sense to me.  So I will hang around for a bit.

[Amph]

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

just curious... which CUDA ZEC miner are you using that can produce 1900 sols from 5 x 1070s?

nicehash or ewbf miner do 380 sol per gpu at 100 watt each, they are the best gpu to mine zec currently

[LoneRangir]

Have you tried ETH or XMR on the machine yet?

[fullzero]

-Phil
   these only cost $382 each if you get them 2 at a time from Jet:  
   https://jet.com/product/ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-1070-Mini-ZT-P10700G-10M-8GB-GDDR5/bec46d48b9ca4e82966cc6f9e2cdb6a8

   I usually use 6x cards with OC and powerlimit so my estimate was a little off.  

   This is without any OC or powerlimit ( and these 1070's are clocked lower than most )

-citronick
   Using Ubuntu 16.04 with EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner 0.0.8b ( no modifications -- exact stock settings )
   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707546.0

-UGMZ
   I make my own frames with parts from 8020.net ~$80 each

-Longsnowsm
   Linux is way more stable than any Windows build;  almost 100% uptime.  It really isn't that hard to setup with stock settings either.

-Amph
   Yes, I agree.  However, I don't like the NiceHash payout fee; its kind of high.

[philipma1957]

Okay so your build is about same price and does 1820 sol and  860 watts.

So if someone goes your route as a small farm it is possible is better.


Size the panda miner is far better  physical setup is fast.

So In 6 hours you could have 20 panda miners mining and using ½ the size of your setup.
I always felt this was more of a mass unit setup then a garage setup.

The real edge of your setup is you can use the language you want.

I am still stuck with a blend of chinese and english.

If I brick it on monday when I try to install windows 10 on a new ssd  you would certainly be correct.

Once again anyone with a definitive method of making any language work on the gear please post.

I can not get msi afterburner to work
I can not get amd setting to work.
the hdmi jack that works is the one for the intel video
the hdmi jack that works for the gpus goes to black screen

All software issues and these need to be overcome to really see if the gear can be tweaked.
I am kind of stymied for now but will let it mine on.

to all Chinese americans or chinese nationals reading this if you can help me please do.




And  it is cranking along.

[UGMZ]

I think each setup has its advantages and disadvantages to be honest.

Phill dose hit the nail on the head its out the box kinda stuff for the less "advanced" setup user. Also the ascetics are far betting having a nice box there and would look better in home setting,

I look forward to more post's regarding the miner phil,  Will sidehack be getting his hands onto one of these to see if there is any "tweeks" that could be achieved on these machines!

[philipma1957]

I think each setup has its advantages and disadvantages to be honest.

Phill dose hit the nail on the head its out the box kinda stuff for the less "advanced" setup user. Also the ascetics are far betting having a nice box there and would look better in home setting,

I look forward to more post's regarding the miner phil,  Will sidehack be getting his hands onto one of these to see if there is any "tweeks" that could be achieved on these machines!

well it is costly.  for me to keep it I will need to sell more gear.  I sold a few hundred usd in parts.

I listed a xfx hd 7970

I will be selling  some mobos psus  and gpus etc.

When it gets warmer  I may ship it to sidehack  maybe he can tweak it a bit.

I don't have a ton of time over this weekend part starts in an hour.  it is right across the street which means I can drink since I wont be driving.

therefore sunday is shot.

 i Hope to tackle the language barrier on monday.

I have a windows 10
 I have the panda 8
I have a mac mini

will setup 3 screens  with the above and see if I can get it to do english. or any language italian or spanish and the wife could help.


it is hard to work with  whenever I get a pop up it tends to be fully chinese I don't want to click it so I power the machine off wait a few minutes then boot.  would not worry doing this but the small power button  is delicate.

I may just boot with no hard drive to see if I can get to the bios.

[fr4nkthetank]

70 DB is not too bad its about the same as a conversation, i would of expected a little higher to be honest!

holy fuck no, 70db is loud as hell !

[Longsnowsm]

I think each setup has its advantages and disadvantages to be honest.

Phill dose hit the nail on the head its out the box kinda stuff for the less "advanced" setup user. Also the ascetics are far betting having a nice box there and would look better in home setting,

I look forward to more post's regarding the miner phil,  Will sidehack be getting his hands onto one of these to see if there is any "tweeks" that could be achieved on these machines!

well it is costly.  for me to keep it I will need to sell more gear.  I sold a few hundred usd in parts.

I listed a xfx hd 7970

I will be selling  some mobos psus  and gpus etc.

When it gets warmer  I may ship it to sidehack  maybe he can tweak it a bit.

I don't have a ton of time over this weekend part starts in an hour.  it is right across the street which means I can drink since I wont be driving.

therefore sunday is shot.

 i Hope to tackle the language barrier on monday.

I have a windows 10
 I have the panda 8
I have a mac mini

will setup 3 screens  with the above and see if I can get it to do english. or any language italian or spanish and the wife could help.


it is hard to work with  whenever I get a pop up it tends to be fully chinese I don't want to click it so I power the machine off wait a few minutes then boot.  would not worry doing this but the small power button  is delicate.

I may just boot with no hard drive to see if I can get to the bios.

So you cannot select your location, keyboard, language and all of the normal stuff in Windows to correct the Chinese on the screen?  That sounds a little odd.  Does this link help? http://www.howtogeek.com/232659/how-to-change-the-display-language-in-windows-10/

[philipma1957]

70 DB is not too bad its about the same as a conversation, i would of expected a little higher to be honest!

holy fuck no, 70db is loud as hell !

it is  louder then the avalon 721


avalon 721
avalon 6


panda 8


s-5
s-7
s-9




the s-5 would do 69-72  but sounded nasty
the s-7 a little louder and if you got a whistler it was bad
the s-9 a little louder  and the whistler sound bad.

I can mine the panda 8 in my garage with no fan adjustments all stock settings.

the s-7 and s-9 were too loud