Review of Panda Miner coming up.

[Longsnowsm]

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

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[Eliovp]

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

[philipma1957]

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

I would be willing to help here in the usa.  I could have you ship 1 good msata build to me.

I have a cloner and could clone copies of it. You only need ship once to me in the usa.

I would charge 42- 45 for the msata and usa shipping  my cost would be 35+6  for msata and shipping

https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-MSA370-mSATA-Solid-TS64GMSA370/dp/B00K67E5DA/ref=sr_1_2?

and you could charge 15-25 for the software

so 60-70 shipped to the buyer in the usa included on the master.

buyer keeps the oem msata just in case.

We could do a group usa buy so the software is released to the buyers the same time.

My cloner is mechanical 2 hdd slot gear.    input and output.

just let me know what msata you are mailing  to me So I could buy the exact one for the clones.



@ fullzero going to delete your post  but i did quote it here

It has nothing to do with the review .

and while the build you mention can work better then the pandaminer

in some cases , you fail to mention that the size difference is huge.

to deploy the panda miner would take a few wires to plug in.  at the worst swap in a msata ssd with a linux build.

I can fit 2 of these in the space of you build. 

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.
A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.
With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.
This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.
The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.
As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

Not even a valid comparison as not the same hardware and your PSU, CPU, SSD, OS, power riser and rig frame is free??  I keep hearing people say stuff like this without data to back it up.  But this is not even a valid argument.  This is like comparing building your own PC vs getting a All in one computer.  Different purposes and target consumers.  Can you deploy 100 rigs doing self build as fast as these plug and play??  What is your time worth.  Now compare the cost of 8 x 480 plus a 1600w psu.  That'd already $2k.  What about CPU, MB, SSD, Ram, 8 power risers, rig frame?   I have 40 rigs now and just the time to open and store all the boxes for gpu, cpu, psu, etc is a long time.  I bough the 14 Nvidia from hearing people claiming all the greatness, quite frankly they sucks. Just like with rx480, a lot depends on your luck with the ram as not all of them can be boosted as high.  There are market for these, let's not thread crap.  The only sucky point is the crappy 45 days warranty and chinese OS but if those asic are easy to replace and upgrade, this is an ultimate solution for large farms.  If I can upgrade my asic to say 490 or Fury and sell old ones to others, etc.  The former factor is also very good for heat management.  

$1910 ZOTAC mini 1070 x5 ($382 each from jet.com)
$39   ADATA 120gb ssd
$50   Corsair Vengeance 8GB ram
$65   ASRock H81 Pro BTC mobo
$48   Intel Celeron G1840
$4     ATX power switch
$130  EVGA GQ-1000 psu
$35    ribbon risers 5x ($7 each)
$85   spotswood frame

total:  $2366

$106 more than PandaMiner with PSU ( with PandaMiner shipping cost included; this would be less)

If you started making rigs with the rx400 series using Windows; I can imagine how you might believe all rigs are difficult to setup.

When using linux you can make an exact copy of an ssd already built and simply plug it in with the other components for each rig.  You can do the same with windows ( simply changing the key on the first boot, or alternatively not using a key at all for your base install and then providing one on the first boot.)  This vastly improves build time.  

With over 20 rigs it is easier to use a boot over lan solution.  This also enables you to not need ssd's for the rigs ( though you need more ram)

I'm not sure what you mean here:
"I bough the 14 Nvidia from hearing people claiming all the greatness, quite frankly they sucks."
I'll take a guess.  
My guess is you got an 1000 series card and it only got ~3 MH on ETH in windows.  If this was the case: it was because you previously needed to either modify the windows driver yourself; or get a modified driver from someone else in order to have had any of the mining clients utilize the CUDA cores correctly.  
This is no longer an issue.  The newest drivers work with all the main mining clients.  If you still have a 1000 series card I would give it a try again with the new driver.

I am not thread crapping.  I am simply providing members with relevant information.  It is possible that Eliovp will get these up to 2000 sol/s using 600 watts; and the price could be dropped $400.  If so; they will be awesome.  

As they are now; they are not.

[LoneRangir]

Aren't all these the issues you're supposed to be feeding back to them?  If they fix a lot of these issues "at the factory", nobody will need to mod them.

[jadefalke]

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

you could generate an IMAGE out of the Harddisk an host that online or?

[philipma1957]

Aren't all these the issues you're supposed to be feeding back to them?  If they fix a lot of these issues "at the factory", nobody will need to mod them.

Language barrier issues.

note I did a hardware upgrade today.

I put in a samsung 8gb ram stick


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8U549K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


this is the max ram stick possible and only slot.  so unit now has 8gb ram

[QuintLeo]

It looks like the production model changed from using the 60mm "screamer' fans in the prototype to a lower number of 80mm fans?


 Cloning a working SSD setup under LINUX is trivial - all you need is DD and either the original working SSD or an image file.
 Can be done under GRUB if you hand-edit the FSTAB to use standard /dev/SDx type naming instead of that bloody irritating UUID garbage (I wish I'd figured out to do that months ago).

[philipma1957]

It looks like the production model changed from using the 60mm "screamer' fans in the prototype to a lower number of 80mm fans?


 Cloning a working SSD setup under LINUX is trivial - all you need is DD and either the original working SSD or an image file.
 Can be done under GRUB if you hand-edit the FSTAB to use standard /dev/SDx type naming instead of that bloody irritating UUID garbage (I wish I'd figured out to do that months ago).

Has five push 80 mm

Has four pull 80 mm

They are still delta and they seem to be 25 mm thick.

They would be easy to swap out.

I am running eth for around four hours slight drop in hash from 235 to 219

The garage is 96f. As I am burning 5500 watts of gear.  Outside temps is 42f

Back door to garage is open entire house is warm coldest room is 77f

[TheYankeesWin!]

Do you have any photos of the fans?

[philipma1957]

Here is a photo

[jimmy_007vn]

Phil, do you have number for Monero???

[philipma1957]

Phil, do you have number for Monero???

Later in the week.

I want to run eth for three days in a row.

It does run hotter so I want to be sure it can handle hot ambient room temp of 96f.

As my garage is in the mid nineties .


I ordered 2 of these fans from newegg .

 I think they will work  and be quieter.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835132031&cm_re=BGEARS_B-PWM_80MM-_-35-132-031-_-Product


not going for 9 unless they are great.

[citronick]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

[philipma1957]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

1. I was worried that 4gb ram could have issues  so I upgrade to 8gb stick.

The mobo only has 1 slot and it is laptop sized ram.  Ddr3l. Only goes to 8gb

2. The case is fairly sturdy and uses only Phillips screws.

3. It does show a screen American mega trends then the win 10 sign in reads pandaminer but there is a script that signs you in to the normal screen where you can enter a mining folder.

4. The small button needs a tool to press a clumsy person could press it hard and break it.
It could be bypassed if you break it.

5.       Psu
        Pandaminer
        Pandaminer.

On a shelf would be easy you need a 20-24 inch shelf
10 units on a five shelf rack.

The method below may not work
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6 do not know AMD drivers

7 so far clay 91 and clay 93 and eth 7.6

I need to fully build clay 93 on a second pc. Then put it,on a USB stick then move the stick to the pandaminer and it works that way.


Since I am not the best software guy  I won't push  until I have a working clone of the oem msata.

then If I brick the clone I still have the oem.

[yun9999]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

@ Citronik -  You don't need 8GB  RAM yet.  I have many rigs running up to 7 GPU 470, 480, Furies 390 and are still using 4GB and this miner is doing the same with 8GPU which is validation for that.  You just need to change the windows page file size to 16GB and since we're running SSD, it won't slow down our rigs.  In the future when if it becomes necessary, you can add another 4GB easily but it's an unnecessary cost at the moment.  

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  .  

[jadefalke]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

@ Citronik -  You don't need 8GB  RAM yet.  I have many rigs running up to 7 GPU 480 and are still using 4GB and this miner is doing the same with 8GPU which is validation for that.  You just need to change the windows page file size to 16GB and since we're running SSD, it won't slow down our rigs.  In the future when if it becomes necessary, you can add another 4GB easily but it's an unnecessary cost at the moment. 

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

btw. my Panda Miner is not that stable, i had him running thru the Night with Claymore 9.3 and this morning 1 Card Reports 0.00

[yun9999]

Did rebooting help fix the 0Hash issue?  You would get this with normal rigs as well, but usually reboots will fix the issue unless you have a bad GPU or riser.  In your case it could be GPU if reboot doesn't clear it.  Would be interesting to see how we can troubleshoot which GPU slot it is when there's a failure and whether it's easy to remove to troubleshoot or swap them out.  From the picture it appears like only a few screws and easy to disconnect but would like to hear what you guys see.

[Eliovp]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

I will chip in with this one as well.


1. 4G is enough, for now. I definitely have no need for 8G on linux
2. It's a very sturdy build, stacking multiple of these things wouldn't be an issue at all. Would even be a very interesting sollution. It's "kind" of heavy though..
3. Yes. And as i've said, you can get into the BIOS   Same as with any other mainboard.
4. System auto boots when i turn on the psu power, i changed this so that i didn't have to press that "tiny" button anymore .
5. Like i said at point 2. you could easily stack these on top of eachother, intake and out is on the side, so this makes it easy to stack them.
6. Can't answer this one, no windows fan :p
7. Sgminer-Gm over here as i've shown in screenshots.


Greetings.


Edit: some new results: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736623.msg17391526#msg17391526

Greetings!

[TheRider]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

[philipma1957]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

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