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November 10, 2010, 12:49:16 PM |
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Hey, I wanted to send a letter to Wikileaks about Bitcoin since unfortunately they've had several incidents where their funds have been seized in the past. http://wikileaks.org/media/support.htmlAnyone know where to send a message to them? |
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November 10, 2010, 01:15:42 PM |
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Bitcoins could be really useful to them. Good idea.
I don't know the answer to your question though, sorry.
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November 10, 2010, 01:24:04 PM |
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Well, you know, if you don't find a proper contact, you can always send an ancient letter, made from paper.  They have a postal address on this page you linked. |
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November 10, 2010, 01:28:00 PM |
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Yeah this may be good for wikileaks, but not nocessarily good for Bitcoin. If bitcoin becomes publicly associated with wikileaks before going semi-mainstream, then it will be viewed by the "ruling class" (read: US government) as a tool for doing money laundering and another "gray" buisnesses.
This may make bitcoin be considered by governments as a serious threat, and they will start fighting it too soon, holding back mainstream adoption.
Of course i know that they (governments) will start fighting bitcoin at some point, but the later, the better. If we go mainstream first, then such efforts will be probably futile, and BTC will probably be unstoppable without shutting down whole internet.
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November 10, 2010, 02:12:42 PM |
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Yeah this may be good for wikileaks, but not nocessarily good for Bitcoin. If bitcoin becomes publicly associated with wikileaks before going semi-mainstream, then it will be viewed by the "ruling class" (read: US government) as a tool for doing money laundering and another "gray" buisnesses.
By your logic the USA should forbid money. At least on paper and metal, a lot of currencies, and money transfers to uncontrollable countries like Bermuda and Switzerland. Perhaps go completely communist. On a worldwide basis porn and gambling is a lot more controversial than Wikileaks. Only China and Thailand censor Wikileaks. A lot more countries censor porn and gambling sites. I don't think this will make the US government blink. |
Sjå https://bitmynt.no for veksling av bitcoin mot norske kroner. Trygt, billig, raskt og enkelt sidan 2010. I buy with EUR and other currencies at a fair market price when you want to sell. See http://bitmynt.no/eurprice.plWarning: "Bitcoin" XT, Classic, Unlimited and the likes are scams. Don't use them, and don't listen to their shills. |
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November 10, 2010, 02:18:22 PM |
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Contrary to popular opinion it is not illegal to create your own currency. If they try to claim there is something illegal in the mere act of transferring value or bits of data they will look ridiculous.
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November 10, 2010, 02:20:49 PM |
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Yeah this may be good for wikileaks, but not nocessarily good for Bitcoin. If bitcoin becomes publicly associated with wikileaks before going semi-mainstream, then it will be viewed by the "ruling class" (read: US government) as a tool for doing money laundering and another "gray" buisnesses.
By your logic the USA should forbid money. At least on paper and metal, a lot of currencies, and money transfers to uncontrollable countries like Bermuda and Switzerland. Perhaps go completely communist. On a worldwide basis porn and gambling is a lot more controversial than Wikileaks. Only China and Thailand censor Wikileaks. A lot more countries censor porn and gambling sites. I don't think this will make the US government blink. I hope you're right. Contrary to popular opinion it is not illegal to create your own currency. If they try to claim there is something illegal in the mere act of transferring value or bits of data they will look ridiculous.
Well, they already claim that something like "exchanging information about whereabouts of data" (BitTorrent sites) is illegal, so why not this ? I see no large difference. |
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November 10, 2010, 03:19:04 PM |
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You can send a paper letter to an address?
Apparently so. See " How do I send a letter?" |
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November 10, 2010, 03:41:11 PM |
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Well, they already claim that something like "exchanging information about whereabouts of data" (BitTorrent sites) is illegal, so why not this ? I see no large difference.
Exchanging information about the whereabouts of data is not illegal anywhere, as long as the data is legally acquired and distributed. It's very much the same with any goods. |
Sjå https://bitmynt.no for veksling av bitcoin mot norske kroner. Trygt, billig, raskt og enkelt sidan 2010. I buy with EUR and other currencies at a fair market price when you want to sell. See http://bitmynt.no/eurprice.plWarning: "Bitcoin" XT, Classic, Unlimited and the likes are scams. Don't use them, and don't listen to their shills. |
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November 10, 2010, 04:28:21 PM |
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This may make bitcoin be considered by governments as a serious threat, and they will start fighting it too soon, holding back mainstream adoption.
Of course i know that they (governments) will start fighting bitcoin at some point, but the later, the better. If we go mainstream first, then such efforts will be probably futile, and BTC will probably be unstoppable without shutting down whole internet.
I think that governments trying to fight Bitcoin would actually help in adoption because of the Streisand effect. |
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November 10, 2010, 09:54:17 PM |
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Bitcoin makes it possible to secede from government. They dont like it when the slaves do that. |
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November 10, 2010, 10:06:01 PM |
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Hahaha 5. Via Postal Mail
You can post a donation via good old fashion postal mail to:
WikiLeaks
(or any suitable name likely to avoid interception in your country)
BOX 4080
Australia Post Office - University of Melbourne Branch
Victoria 3052
Australia Thats about 2 hours away from me. I can post something for $0.50c so if you like write up something and link to it here and I will print it out. An idea might be to set up a mybitcoin account and send them the login info with the letter.They would be more likely to accept if there is a few dollars already awaiting collection. Julian Assange is a fellow Aussie.  |
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November 10, 2010, 11:08:08 PM |
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Well, they already claim that something like "exchanging information about whereabouts of data" (BitTorrent sites) is illegal, so why not this ? I see no large difference.
Exchanging information about the whereabouts of data is not illegal anywhere, as long as the data is legally acquired and distributed. It's very much the same with any goods. Actually, if i tell you that "there is money in the safe of bank XXX", that is information about whereabouts too. The same if I tell you that there is some heroin (which is itself illegal) in the police storage facitilities. And all that informations are legal, the same as bittorrent should be legal, because it is only information about whereabouts of other information, which logically should be NEVER illegal. But the governments together with media industry are trying hard to make BitTorrent (and all P2P in gerneral) illegal, in spite of obvious idiocy of such doing. |
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November 10, 2010, 11:11:10 PM |
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Bitcoin makes it possible to secede from government. They dont like it when the slaves do that. Why do i feel more and more convinced that the internet era will end governments in the form we know them ?  |
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November 10, 2010, 11:15:51 PM |
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This may make bitcoin be considered by governments as a serious threat, and they will start fighting it too soon, ...
if they gonna fight it anyway, isn't it better the sooner they do? or do you want to invest (time/money/effort) into it first and have them fight it later? |
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November 10, 2010, 11:50:34 PM |
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I was thinking about this overnight, Wikileaks has in-house cryptology and security experts; they could do an audit on the Bitcoin security and we could donate bitcon to pay for it… scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.
I don’t know about the feasibility, but on the surface it sounds like it would be beneficial to both wikileaks and bitcoin.
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One off NP-Hard.
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November 11, 2010, 12:03:40 AM |
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This may make bitcoin be considered by governments as a serious threat, and they will start fighting it too soon, ...
if they gonna fight it anyway, isn't it better the sooner they do? or do you want to invest (time/money/effort) into it first and have them fight it later? The later the better. The longer that governments wait to act, the stronger the bitcoin network grows, and the harder it becomes to harm it. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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November 11, 2010, 12:12:45 AM |
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Well, they already claim that something like "exchanging information about whereabouts of data" (BitTorrent sites) is illegal, so why not this ? I see no large difference.
Exchanging information about the whereabouts of data is not illegal anywhere, as long as the data is legally acquired and distributed. It's very much the same with any goods. Actually, if i tell you that "there is money in the safe of bank XXX", that is information about whereabouts too. The same if I tell you that there is some heroin (which is itself illegal) in the police storage facitilities. And all that informations are legal, the same as bittorrent should be legal, because it is only information about whereabouts of other information, which logically should be NEVER illegal. But the governments together with media industry are trying hard to make BitTorrent (and all P2P in gerneral) illegal, in spite of obvious idiocy of such doing. Well,they can try. The problem for people who control things through having bigger guns is that you cant shoot bittorrent. |
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November 11, 2010, 01:11:05 AM |
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I was thinking about this overnight, Wikileaks has in-house cryptology and security experts; they could do an audit on the Bitcoin security and we could donate bitcon to pay for it… scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.
I don’t know about the feasibility, but on the surface it sounds like it would be beneficial to both wikileaks and bitcoin.
I love this idea. Know that Julian Assange (the founder and head of Wikileaks) was a former Free Software programmer and wrote lots of cryptographic tools. He is very knowledgeable in this area himself and will understand Bitcoin technically. |
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