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January 23, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
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January 23, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
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Could you add MultiDice signature campaign to the list. Thank you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=929969.0
I had you guys added before the crash. Everything will be updated as soon as get of work (like I said on the previous page).

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January 23, 2015, 09:24:12 AM
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Could you add MultiDice signature campaign to the list. Thank you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=929969.0
I had you guys added before the crash. Everything will be updated as soon as get of work (like I said on the previous page).

Oh. Sorry. Sure - Add when you can. Smiley
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January 23, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
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Could you add MultiDice signature campaign to the list. Thank you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=929969.0
I had you guys added before the crash. Everything will be updated as soon as get of work (like I said on the previous page).

Missed that post sorry.

and thanks for adding MultiDice signature campaign Wink

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January 23, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
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No worries you two and thank you for keeping me up-to-date. Wink

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January 23, 2015, 10:49:44 AM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


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January 23, 2015, 10:57:12 AM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.
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January 23, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

Check Bitmixer - i think they have the best rates for full members
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January 23, 2015, 01:04:06 PM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

Check Bitmixer - i think they have the best rates for full members

BIT-X will have the best rates in around 5 days, stay tuned.
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January 23, 2015, 03:03:40 PM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

16$/month, better than nothing.

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January 23, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

Check Bitmixer - i think they have the best rates for full members

BIT-X will have the best rates in around 5 days, stay tuned.

wow cool marco Smiley
supposing you accept low member ill ver happy jaja
btw good luck with your campaign Smiley

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January 23, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

Check Bitmixer - i think they have the best rates for full members

BIT-X will have the best rates in around 5 days, stay tuned.

wow cool marco Smiley
supposing you accept low member ill ver happy jaja
btw good luck with your campaign Smiley
I think they will not accept lower ranks. They will just update rates for full members for now.
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January 23, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
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Hey guys!

Have been looking for a good sig AD campain, but i recently got FUll member status so i was wonder what the best one currently for this level?.

Looking for a Fixed amount of around 50 post and payed monthly.


/sust1200

Try luckybit. 0.075btc per month for 50 posts.

Check Bitmixer - i think they have the best rates for full members

BIT-X will have the best rates in around 5 days, stay tuned.

wow cool marco Smiley
supposing you accept low member ill ver happy jaja
btw good luck with your campaign Smiley
I think they will not accept lower ranks. They will just update rates for full members for now.

Marco said in his bit-x sig campain thread that he is considering member rank. But i dont think he will add them because their sig is not much attractive. Its my openion might he add them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg10217195#msg10217195

Lets hope for member rank

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January 23, 2015, 06:00:55 PM
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sed, like I told you last time, if you aren't happy with my thread, go create a new one and have fun keeping it updated all the time (and no, you aren't allowed to copy my thread).

I got permission from the staff to put up an ad long before I become a staff myself, so your argument is false, no matter how you put it. Yes, I do get paid by the forum for doing my job on the Dutch sub-forum, but those payment will be even less then I get from the ad. Why? Because I get paid based on how much I do, which isn't a lot because the Dutch sub-forum isn't that active and they behave like it should.




I will update the OP once I'm done at work.

So many haters coming down on my for my opinion.  I'm going to ignore them and reply to Mitchełł.

First, thanks for the reply.

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sed, like I told you last time, if you aren't happy with my thread, go create a new one and have fun keeping it updated all the time (and no, you aren't allowed to copy my thread).

I'm confused, you want me to start another thread and you say I'm not allowed to start another thread?

Either way, I'm not starting another thread.  I'm just asking questions and I'm representing a real point of view which may be a minority, but it still exists.  When you chose to commercialize this thread, you moved from the class of "community service" to the class of "commercial endeavour".   As I've also said, I stopped visiting the front page of this thread when the adverts appeared.  This is because I decided that I didn't like that you took over a free community thread, ran it for long enough to centralize its importance, and then commercialized it.  So, yes, it rubs me a bit of the wrong way when you say things like "listen folks, I'm busy don't expect any updates".  IMO, you lost your right to say that sorta stuff when you commercialized this thread.  Again, "go start your own thread" isn't applicable to me because I found it was very very easy to live without the basic table on the OP of this thread. I simply don't use it and that's fine.

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I got permission from the staff to put up an ad long before I become a staff myself, so your argument is false, no matter how you put it. Yes, I do get paid by the forum for doing my job on the Dutch sub-forum, but those payment will be even less then I get from the ad. Why? Because I get paid based on how much I do, which isn't a lot because the Dutch sub-forum isn't that active and they behave like it should.

Let me tell you something that you probably will not accept from me.  Asserting that "your argument is false, now matter what" is not how you debunk an argument.  For one thing, arguments aren't true or false, they're either convincing or not convincing, based on whether or not they contain flaws.  To show that someone's argument is flawed you have to show where they made a logical error, or asserted an unfounded fact, etc.  If you can show that someone's argument is flawed, that will work better than simply asserting "your argument is flawed!" 100% of the time.  The former is respectable, the latter is mere bluster.

With respect to my argument (which was really phrased as a question), I said:

1) You were given special permission by staff to commercialize your thread
2) You are now staff
3) As staff, you are now in the group that gives permission to commercialize your thread. 

This is tantamount to staff granting itself special permission to commercialize a thread based on the fact that they are staff.

As I understand your rebuttal, you say:

a) I got the permission before becoming staff.
b) I am paid more from the ad than I am from being staff.

For me, (a) is much more powerful than (b).  (b) simply means that you've got a real interest to protect in keeping your ad and that if you can remain staff and therefore remain in the decision seat for deciding whether you can keep your ad, that's more important than the money you'd make as staff without the decision power that comes along with it.  With respect to (a), it seems to me that unless you were given permission to commercialize this thread for life, at some point the decision might come up for review, and if you're on staff and deciding it, then that's the conflict of interest that I referred to.

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I'm confused, you want me to start another thread and you say I'm not allowed to start another thread?
Read again, I told you that you are more than welcome to start another thread, without an ad. You just can't use the current thread design. I got permission from Rannasha to take over and use his design. I have since then adapted it to my personal liking and added the overview table.

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So, yes, it rubs me a bit of the wrong way when you say things like "listen folks, I'm busy don't expect any updates".  IMO, you lost your right to say that sorta stuff when you commercialized this thread.  Again, "go start your own thread" isn't applicable to me because I found it was very very easy to live without the basic table on the OP of this thread. I simply don't use it and that's fine.
If you don't read the first page, why do you care when I update the OP? People don't seem to mind that they have to wait a bit from time to time (well, except for you obviously). If anyone has a problem with it, do tell me. If a lot of people have a problem with it, I will figure out a system to improve my update speed and keep the thread even more up-to-date. People have lives and if I'm busy, I'm busy.

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With respect to my argument (which was really phrased as a question), I said:

1) You were given special permission by staff to commercialize your thread
2) You are now staff
3) As staff, you are now in the group that gives permission to commercialize your thread.
Invalid argument. I don't have the authority to give permission to commercialize a thread, which you would have known if you actually read what people said/I said. Only Theymos and Badbear can do so. If they want me to remove it, I will, because they are the ones in charge and they are my superiors. I'll never be in that position either, because I do not want to be an administrator. Being a local moderator is more than enough for me.

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For me, (a) is much more powerful than (b).  (b) simply means that you've got a real interest to protect in keeping your ad and that if you can remain staff and therefore remain in the decision seat for deciding whether you can keep your ad, that's more important than the money you'd make as staff without the decision power that comes along with it.  With respect to (a), it seems to me that unless you were given permission to commercialize this thread for life, at some point the decision might come up for review, and if you're on staff and deciding it, then that's the conflict of interest that I referred to.
This is an invalid argument, because I don't have the power to give such permissions.

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January 23, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
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Thanks again for the reply.  You've done a great job of addressing my points this time.  So thanks for that.  It's unfortunate that you're using this puerille "you didn't read" line so often.  As I basicaly addressed your previous post line-by-line, I think it's quite clear that read carefully.


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I'm confused, you want me to start another thread and you say I'm not allowed to start another thread?
Read again, I told you that you are more than welcome to start another thread, without an ad. You just can't use the current thread design. I got permission from Rannasha to take over and use his design. I have since then adapted it to my personal liking and added the overview table.

Well, I can "read again" but if I do that, I'll see the same thing I saw the first time which was "feel free to start your own thread but don't copy my thread".  I think you can see how vague this is, especially in contrast to what you said this time, which is much clearer.  In your second statement you differentiated between the content of the thread and the design or layout, which apparantly you consider to be some kind of intellectual property.  While it's not clear to me how a simple table is some kind of intellectual property, I'll leave this because as I already said, I'm not interested in starting my own thread on this.

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So, yes, it rubs me a bit of the wrong way when you say things like "listen folks, I'm busy don't expect any updates".  IMO, you lost your right to say that sorta stuff when you commercialized this thread.  Again, "go start your own thread" isn't applicable to me because I found it was very very easy to live without the basic table on the OP of this thread. I simply don't use it and that's fine.
If you don't read the first page, why do you care when I update the OP? People don't seem to mind that they have to wait a bit from time to time (well, except for you obviously). If anyone has a problem with it, do tell me. If a lot of people have a problem with it, I will figure out a system to improve my update speed and keep the thread even more up-to-date. People have lives and if I'm busy, I'm busy.

I think I made it clear that I don't read the first page since it was commercialized, I used to read it.  And I think I also made it clear that this situation made me unhappy.  That's it, I'm simply commenting on the state of affairs as I see them.  In fact, as I said, it's not that I see a problem with having to wait, it's that I see a problem with you commercializing the work of others in that you ask people to pre-format the info for you to add to the OP, then you complain if they do it wrong, then you say "hold on I'm busy" when there's work to do.  Again, I'd withdrawl all of these points immediately if you hadn't commercialized the thread.  But you're absolutely right that I'm not one of your customers, so my opinon is just that, an OP-ED on the state of affairs.  Nothing more, nothing less.

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With respect to my argument (which was really phrased as a question), I said:

1) You were given special permission by staff to commercialize your thread
2) You are now staff
3) As staff, you are now in the group that gives permission to commercialize your thread.
Invalid argument. I don't have the authority to give permission to commercialize a thread, which you would have known if you actually read what people said/I said. Only Theymos and Badbear can do so. If they want me to remove it, I will, because they are the ones in charge and they are my superiors. I'll never be in that position either, because I do not want to be an administrator. Being a local moderator is more than enough for me.

Nice!  I appreciate (kind of) your transition from "that argument is false no matter what!" to "invalid argument".  It's a step in the right direction.  It's a shame you keep going back to this "if you read what I said" bullshit, but whatever.  It's still nice that you actually addressed the question which was who gets to decide which threads can be commercialized.  If it's true that you're not part of the group which decides this, that certainly aids your position that there's no conflict of interest here.  Nevertheless, given that you admittedly work for the people who do decide this, I'm not so sure this is such an open-and-shut case as you assert.

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For me, (a) is much more powerful than (b).  (b) simply means that you've got a real interest to protect in keeping your ad and that if you can remain staff and therefore remain in the decision seat for deciding whether you can keep your ad, that's more important than the money you'd make as staff without the decision power that comes along with it.  With respect to (a), it seems to me that unless you were given permission to commercialize this thread for life, at some point the decision might come up for review, and if you're on staff and deciding it, then that's the conflict of interest that I referred to.
This is an invalid argument, because I don't have the power to give such permissions.

Again, nice job using the "invalid argument" term.  This is your best rebuttal yet, it's concise and to the point and it addresses the relevant claims.

Thanks for the enlightening discussion.
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January 23, 2015, 10:00:47 PM
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I agree that I do not like commercialising this community thread and someone is profiting from this. Being a staff makes this worse.

The success of this thread comes from the overview table and the original idea and design is not even OP's. It is mine. He cannot claim rights to something that is not his in the beginning. I suggested the table format and coded it (on page 3), thinking I am helping the community. Now it is helping a staff member to profit from other member's views.

If the ads are helping bitcoin startups for free, it would be ok. Now, a staff member's thread is advertising accounts trading!
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I agree that I do not like commercialising this community thread and someone is profiting from this. Being a staff makes this worse.
Please explain how. If it's because I get paid by Theymos, should I deny the payment for what I do? Would you do that? Updating this thread takes quite a while. The updates I just did took me 20 minutes and they are 4/5 small ones. I re-read the thread, skim for stuff that I missed, etc.

The success of this thread comes from the overview table and the original idea and design is not even OP's. It is mine. He cannot claim rights to something that is not his in the beginning. I suggested the table format and coded it (on page 3), thinking I am helping the community.

If the ads are helping bitcoin startups for free, it would be ok. Now, a staff member's thread is advertising accounts trading!
Yes, you gave me the basic idea for a table and a lot of people have contributed towards it, giving me good ideas, etc. I'm very grateful for that, because it has helped (and still helps) a lot of people. If you don't agree with what I do/did, I could redo the table design so that you aren't involved with the idea anymore. A whole new design, extra information, etc.

I do not endorse any ads, I just put up the ad from the person who won, if it's allowed inside this forum.


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January 23, 2015, 10:36:29 PM
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I'm going to defend Mitchell here.

First things first, let me make a point I consider both valid and important: Mitchell's role as a local board moderator (staff) and role as the manager of this overview thread are entirely unrelated. He did not grant himself permission to put the ad in, in fact, you technically do not need to ask theymos before putting an ad in the OP of a large thread like this, because it is forum policy that substantial contributing posts can have ads in. It is just recommended you do to avoid to trouble. Just because he is staff does not mean forum policy no longer protects him. Moving on:

Donations are minuscule, if any, for running this thread. The advertisements bring in all of $4 every 10 days for Mitchell. It is definitely not a high-profit, high-competition, cut-throat business. If he puts in the hours to manage this thread and is getting such a tiny amount as reimbursement, who cares if he has a break?

But that's mostly rabble: Here's my main point.

bitcointalk.org actively places advertisements in threads and collects money using an almost identical system. 25% of ad revenue is distributed to mods based on their activity. Well, why is this a point, you may ask? The money is distributed based on staff activity - if a staff member takes a break, they're going to receive less BTC and it balances out fairly.

If Mitchell was truly neglecting this thread, no-one would advertise on it, and he would make no BTC from it. It would have either died long ago or been crushed by a new competitor. The sole fact the thread is alive shows that work is actively being done on it. He does not need to cater to your every whim instantly unless you're the one paying the bills. And I'll bet you aren't. You've even stated yourself that you don't view the OP, so we can draw from that that you are not clicking the advertisement and contributing to its efficiency. Obviously, if the ad has a more noticeable effect on sales, people will pay more for it. You do not have the right to complain when you are not contributing whatsoever to the thread, unfortunately.

And either way: We are not playing a game of morals and ethics. We are playing the game of real life, where time is a finite resource. People are not forced to do volunteer work.

I'm dabbling in Bitcointalk again - I won't be making trades with people. If I try to trade with you, ask for a signature from my address 171717... which I have had control of since about 2015. If I can't provide it, I might have been hacked.
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January 24, 2015, 07:51:35 AM
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Coinichiwa seems to have problems with payment currently. As I posted on their thread:

I have not received a payment for the last two days, which is understandable as the board was down, but the page in question still reports

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shorena @ coinichiwa
Your account is temporarily disabled.

will this require any action on our site to continue?

There has been no answer in the 24 hours since then. Not sure if you want to add a mark for this or not. I will wait till monday and see what happens.

-snip-I do not like commercialising this community thread and someone is profiting from this.
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Id have to dig a bit, but I am sure I can find the donation address for the work that Mitchell puts into the thread and be as ashamed about you leeches as I was the first time.


Edit (thats from August 2014 almost 6 months into the thread):

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That address is still under my control.
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Donations received : 2


The ads will be up for 10 days. Could be longer if I am busy. I have been thinking about expanding the time slot but I am not sure yet

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